Drive for Atheists?

[Knarf188]

Umm...thanks I guess.

Haha the sentence answer... its short, its awesome... your welcome...
Take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank

 

[MaddyO3]

How do you feel to the previous posts because several people feel somewhat the same way as you do... if it is to better our purpose that seems kind of trivial in life...like an infinite loop....specially with our evil nature...
Take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank

You're right, it is very trivial. In the end the sun will not continue to supply this planet with energy and all life will die. There will be no memory of all the good that was once here. That is why there really is no universal purpose to life.

I do agree with what other people have said, that purpose is overrated, that it is what we make of it, etc.

What do you mean about an "infinite loop" and our "evil nature"?

 

[Knarf188]

You're right, it is very trivial. In the end the sun will not continue to supply this planet with energy and all life will die. There will be no memory of all the good that was once here. That is why there really is no universal purpose to life.

I do agree with what other people have said, that purpose is overrated, that it is what we make of it, etc.

What do you mean about an "infinite loop" and our "evil nature"?

Well I do not think you have to worry about the sun dying of energy anytime soon =)...
So you are changing the meaning of your purpose in life from humanitarian to no purpose?
Infinite Loop is something that continues to go on and on... Evil nature is man's inner natural self to act in sin... So if your goal is to do the humanitarian thing... Because man will always be sinful... you will never be able to solve everything...hence an infinite loop... take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank

 

[Dyrwen]

Buddy, If you respect me then don't refer to my beliefs and scriptures as ****... maybe you were referencing it to be truth... and you just missed a *... but it seems kind of hypocritical of you....

I can respect a nazi for upholding their ideals and beliefs, but that doesn't mean I have to adhere to their beliefs. To me, your beliefs are of fairy tales and ignorance. That's just something that I've presummed, you are not uneducated or mean, but I will still state what I feel is true just as you will.

What does your verse mean? It is kind of just thrown out there....

You referred back to your Bible to compare the scripture in the texts, thereby interpretting the prophecies differently, consequently contradicting the concept involved in the Bible quote. Unless you have infact interpretted the quote itself, in which case, it becomes a little apparent as to why I don't do Bible debates, too much leeway.

Jesus does know us... he created us... it's like , when you have kids, if you do... you would not want them to neglect you and run away... you love them... and want what is best for them... And dude if you died for me... I see that as sacrifice and LOVE... why do you think people join the Marine Corps... Just to sacrifice... open your eyes....

Ah, now you show you true colors of realism. Although for the "kid" emotional angle of debate to work, I'd have to actually perceive ever wanting to care for a child, when I don't. Jesus knows "us" and created "us" in your opinion and it is your feeling that it is true. They usually join as is shown through most statistics merely to "protect those they love" through sacrifice. Just as suicide bombers blow themselves up for the ones they love to have a better life in the future, people go to war for the same reasons. Open your eyes, not everyone goes to war just to sacrifice themselves for love, quite a few go just for the money. A few more go for the chance to get a free education with the benefits of a job that kills or a chance to travel.

The general issue we have is that you feel Jesus and God happen to control the universe or at least spur along the actions in it by their actions shown in the Bible, and I don't. All things happen merely for life and for their own reasons, no supernatural interference.

Prayer does not interfere man... it gives them the oppurtunity to see the light... If you gave something to your child are you infringing on their volition... would you not want what is best for your kid... like helping them out with healthcare, bills.... thats kind of dumb....

He has sent me a memo... it's kalled the Bible...

Take kare and God Bless...

In Christ,

Frank

My parents were both once Christian, so was I at one time, we all found our way away from that "light" as you put it. We've each had our own experiences with religion, gods and your "memo" known as the Bible. I have read quite a bit of that book and still find no reason what so ever to follow it. The simple reality remains that no matter what that book says, it will mean nothing to me as I have no reason to follow it. You do, I don't. The book could be about how to cook tacos in the summer months for all I care, if I don't like tacos, I'm not going to want to read it.

Realize this: Your book holds stories of the past that might've happened or might not have happened, but nevertheless, whatever they speak of holds no meaning in my life and therefore needs not be brought up in any attempt to help me "see" such "lights" or any of my family do so. The one thing I inform most Christians of is that if they make a point of trying to change me, then they cannot do so with their ancient books, they must do so with their present minds.

In reason, as always.

Dyrwen

 

[Knarf188]

I can respect a nazi for upholding their ideals and beliefs, but that doesn't mean I have to adhere to their beliefs. To me, your beliefs are of fairy tales and ignorance. That's just something that I've presummed, you are not uneducated or mean, but I will still state what I feel is true just as you will.

You referred back to your Bible to compare the scripture in the texts, thereby interpretting the prophecies differently, consequently contradicting the concept involved in the Bible quote. Unless you have infact interpretted the quote itself, in which case, it becomes a little apparent as to why I don't do Bible debates, too much leeway.

Ah, now you show you true colors of realism. Although for the "kid" emotional angle of debate to work, I'd have to actually perceive ever wanting to care for a child, when I don't. Jesus knows "us" and created "us" in your opinion and it is your feeling that it is true. They usually join as is shown through most statistics merely to "protect those they love" through sacrifice. Just as suicide bombers blow themselves up for the ones they love to have a better life in the future, people go to war for the same reasons. Open your eyes, not everyone goes to war just to sacrifice themselves for love, quite a few go just for the money. A few more go for the chance to get a free education with the benefits of a job that kills or a chance to travel.

The general issue we have is that you feel Jesus and God happen to control the universe or at least spur along the actions in it by their actions shown in the Bible, and I don't. All things happen merely for life and for their own reasons, no supernatural interference.

My parents were both once Christian, so was I at one time, we all found our way away from that "light" as you put it. We've each had our own experiences with religion, gods and your "memo" known as the Bible. I have read quite a bit of that book and still find no reason what so ever to follow it. The simple reality remains that no matter what that book says, it will mean nothing to me as I have no reason to follow it. You do, I don't. The book could be about how to cook tacos in the summer months for all I care, if I don't like tacos, I'm not going to want to read it.

Realize this: Your book holds stories of the past that might've happened or might not have happened, but nevertheless, whatever they speak of holds no meaning in my life and therefore needs not be brought up in any attempt to help me "see" such "lights" or any of my family do so. The one thing I inform most Christians of is that if they make a point of trying to change me, then they cannot do so with their ancient books, they must do so with their present minds.

In reason, as always.

Dyrwen

Why do you compare me to a nazi haha... our beliefs are nowhere near the same...or use the analogy of my beliefs to his... If you respected my beliefs, as do I yours... you would not degrade my beliefs... you would use logic to debate but not words that display your ignorance toward my scriptures/life...
that is if you do respect them....

I am sorry you do not want kids, or have any desire to care for them... why should you? I mean it is not like your parents brought you into life, and cared for you....why pass it on to your children...

Yes Jesus did die for those he loved...ALL OF US...

People are suicide bombers because of their beliefs... you do not see the Jews doin that.... it is mostly muslims... and they want to die in Jihad.. because of their reward..

Your right people go to war for 'money' and 'travel' HAHAH... my dad served in war... he made uhh alot of money "cough cough"... but he did enjoy his tour of Bethlehem... Open your eyes... While you degrade this country(different topic) troops die for your freedom to do just what you are doing now... have respect... without purpose you would not be where you are right now... you would be just living out your inner self... like an animal...People lay down their lives for people like you... why, to give you a chance at something better... because they love you, HOPE... yes friend... people out there love you... you might say uhh this is illogical... why would someone lay down their life for me, error error... check out VETS man... their is honor in serving your country... and while you turn your back to the pledge, which is sad... they shed their blood for that flag... I really feel bad for you man... no offense, it just seems like you just live your life for yourself... why help others when it does not benefit yourself? it sounds hypocritical...

I am sorry you turned from the Lord... maybe if eternal salvation is true... you will be with me in Heaven ....

why do you even bother to read the Bible... if you do not believe in it...there is no purpose...of course you will be biased...

I am sorry for trying to change you... to let you see eternal happiness... a hope... a purpose... it is the Great Commission, Matthew 28... but wait that is just a fairy tell....

In Love (As Always),
Frank

 

[Vylo]

I prayed mainly for the health of my grandmother who couldn't not use her legs after being hit by a drunk driver. Let's just say that if any deity was actually responded to my prayers, he deserves to have his equivilant to a face kicked in. She suffered through addiction to painkillers, bed sores, and painful diseases from a weakened immune system.

I have trouble remembering all the other things I prayed for but they had no avail either. I prayed directly to god during this whole time.

Well I do not think you have to worry about the sun dying of energy anytime soon =)...
So you are changing the meaning of your purpose in life from humanitarian to no purpose?
Infinite Loop is something that continues to go on and on... Evil nature is man's inner natural self to act in sin... So if your goal is to do the humanitarian thing... Because man will always be sinful... you will never be able to solve everything...hence an infinite loop... take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank

Keep in mind sin is virtually meaningless to an atheist. We do not care what does or doesn't please something we dont think exists. As for humans having an evil nature, that is somewhat relative, though it can be asserted that we are very aggressive animals. We do not however, necessarily fall into an infinite loop of existence. As we begin to understand more about the world around us and ourselves, our culture has and will continue to evolve.

 

[DrunkenWrestler]

why do you surf?

I never surfed before. I think I'd lose my balance, fall off, and float to East Africa.

Do you need prayer Wrestler?

Nah, God thinks I'm a fool. I could become a well-respected physicist, and I'm just a fool in his eyes.
"The fool says in his heart, 'there is no God.' They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none that does good." (Psalms 14:1)

 

[DrunkenWrestler]

Evil nature is man's inner natural self to act in sin

So did cavemen sin? If yes, then in what ways have they sinned?

 

[Dyrwen]

Why do you compare me to a nazi haha... our beliefs are nowhere near the same...or use the analogy of my beliefs to his... If you respected my beliefs, as do I yours... you would not degrade my beliefs... you would use logic to debate but not words that display your ignorance toward my scriptures/life...
that is if you do respect them....

I wasn't comparing you to a Nazi, you dork. It was merely an attempt to point out no matter what one's beliefs are, I will still hold my own and not follow what you believe yet still remain with the capability to respect it. The most extreme angle of thought is usually the easiest seen in comparison, apparently you missed the correlation. Your scriptures are something I know of, but in the realm of my debate they mean nothing and will not hold any ground as I stated later on my last post. I merely state my opinion to be against your beliefs, that doesn't degrade them. Only if you allow them to be degraded, do they ever degrade.

I am sorry you do not want kids, or have any desire to care for them... why should you? I mean it is not like your parents brought you into life, and cared for you....why pass it on to your children...

Yes Jesus did die for those he loved...ALL OF US...

I should have kids because my parents did? What a great reason to breed.

Emotional angle. Pointless to mention. Questions my choices in celibacy and "degrades" how I believe. Ironic how these things can turn back on others eh? I continue to point out I don't believe in Jesus nor care what he loves, yet you keep repeating yourself throwing your belief in him towards me, further degrading my own beliefs. Just letting you see how easy it is to appear degraded and how much of a big deal can be made on my side of the spectrum as well. Choose your words more carefully.

People are suicide bombers because of their beliefs... you do not see the Jews doin that.... it is mostly muslims... and they want to die in Jihad.. because of their reward..

Not always for their beliefs. People die everyday for their own causes, not all are muslim. There are people around the world that go to war for their country and to do so and die for your country is still sacrifice and since you know you can die but go anyway, it is also suicide. Get off the high horse, normal people commit suicide everyday for a cause, not just those "crazy muslims" you hear about on TV.

Your right people go to war for 'money' and 'travel' HAHAH... my dad served in war... he made uhh alot of money "cough cough"... but he did enjoy his tour of Bethlehem... Open your eyes... While you degrade this country(different topic) troops die for your freedom to do just what you are doing now... have respect... [snip] and while you turn your back to the pledge, which is sad... they shed their blood for that flag... I really feel bad for you man... no offense, it just seems like you just live your life for yourself... why help others when it does not benefit yourself? it sounds hypocritical...

Such laughter cannot be held back after reading the first part of this, read my signature lately?

"As long as the so called freedoms of the US comes at the expense and blood of others you have no right to call yourself a free country. You think the government is protecting and preserving your freedom when you are really protecting and preserving the lifestyles of the greedy rich who have no qulams about plundering and pillaging." - doggodit



I help those that seek my help and help myself whenever I can. Keep your country, die for it all you like, I won't do so.

why do you even bother to read the Bible... if you do not believe in it...there is no purpose...of course you will be biased...

I am sorry for trying to change you... to let you see eternal happiness... a hope... a purpose... it is the Great Commission, Matthew 28... but wait that is just a fairy tell....

In Love (As Always),
Frank

Of course I'll be biased, so will you. That's why I stated this isn't a Bible discussion. It's not like I read it daily and get my fill to make me feel better than anyone else like some people might. I stay away from a book that holds no purpose to be read by me as much as I can. I'm not trying to change you here, just showing you that "eternal happiness" is merely a story made to help you feel better about death or live for something better. I live for the "mortal happiness" that still holds feeling and truth. We cannot be sure of death's future, but we will find death nonetheless, no matter how much we believe one thing to actually happen after we die, we might always have believed wrong. All of us. I'm merely showing you that the Bible as it is doesn't matter to those who don't follow it, but that shouldn't mean life can't be meaningful and purpose filled without it.

It is just a book. Use it for guidance, bed time stories, whatever. Just don't expect me to follow your little book too.

Dyr.

 

[Knarf188]

I prayed mainly for the health of my grandmother who couldn't not use her legs after being hit by a drunk driver. Let's just say that if any deity was actually responded to my prayers, he deserves to have his equivilant to a face kicked in. She suffered through addiction to painkillers, bed sores, and painful diseases from a weakened immune system.

I have trouble remembering all the other things I prayed for but they had no avail either. I prayed directly to god during this whole time.

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Keep in mind sin is virtually meaningless to an atheist. We do not care what does or doesn't please something we dont think exists. As for humans having an evil nature, that is somewhat relative, though it can be asserted that we are very aggressive animals. We do not however, necessarily fall into an infinite loop of existence. As we begin to understand more about the world around us and ourselves, our culture has and will continue to evolve.

Dude I am truely sorry for your Grandmother... When I prayed for my pap... I prayed that 'God's will would be done'... the most important thing I was afraid of was that he would die and not know about Jesus Christ... I had been telling him some things and I did not want him to die without a chance of knowing him... I never really prayed that God would heal his body... just give him a chance for his soul... and now I have that choice.. and am humbled by the fact that he gave me that chance... But I do know people who are angry at God for their unanswered prayers...specially concerning loved ones... One of my philosophy teachers was a catholic and went through the same exact thing... I bet you are him... because it sounds just like his only more gruesome...Look at Job, he suffered heavily... but in the end he was greatly rewarded for having his faith... There are 2 million people who are going to die this year for their beliefs... that has to say something man.... they are not just living a martyrs life for nothing... they are living a life, because God has spoken to them...again I am truely sorry...
My Great Uncle... who I just started to hang out with and stuff... ended up having Lung Cancer... He never told anyone... not a soul... because he did not want people to feel sorry for him... I pray that his death was not painful... but it still leads me to whether or not that was fair of God... but one who is beyond our comprehension, for he knows all the stars by name... must be given faith... for what it comes down to is the soul is more important than the flesh....

And to your other reply... It was in response to that Mandy gurl...the infinite loop was given that she wanted to be a Humanitarian... giving aid to those who suffer... well people will always suffer... its a fact of life... therefore her life is without end... an infinite loop....take kare and God Bless bro
In Christ,
Frank

 

[Knarf188]

I never surfed before. I think I'd lose my balance, fall off, and float to East Africa.

Nah, God thinks I'm a fool. I could become a well-respected physicist, and I'm just a fool in his eyes.
"The fool says in his heart, 'there is no God.' They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none that does good." (Psalms 14:1)

You never know till you try... surfing sounds like a blast...and do you mena the west coast of Africa =).... they have some of the best waves along with Sri Lanka...

Well you must define good... good in God's eyes is never sinning ( no not once )... we all are not good in God's eyes until we accept Christ (God's grace)... therefore it is not the actual deeds as a physician that he cares upon... but the faith that you give to him
Take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank

 

[Knarf188]

So did cavemen sin? If yes, then in what ways have they sinned?

I am not going to pretend whether or not I know everything about the caveman... but sense he is a Man... he has sinned... sins would probably include the same lust, lying, etc.
In Christ,
Frank

 

[Knarf188]

I wasn't comparing you to a Nazi, you dork. It was merely an attempt to point out no matter what one's beliefs are, I will still hold my own and not follow what you believe yet still remain with the capability to respect it. The most extreme angle of thought is usually the easiest seen in comparison, apparently you missed the correlation. Your scriptures are something I know of, but in the realm of my debate they mean nothing and will not hold any ground as I stated later on my last post. I merely state my opinion to be against your beliefs, that doesn't degrade them. Only if you allow them to be degraded, do they ever degrade.

I should have kids because my parents did? What a great reason to breed.

Emotional angle. Pointless to mention. Questions my choices in celibacy and "degrades" how I believe. Ironic how these things can turn back on others eh? I continue to point out I don't believe in Jesus nor care what he loves, yet you keep repeating yourself throwing your belief in him towards me, further degrading my own beliefs. Just letting you see how easy it is to appear degraded and how much of a big deal can be made on my side of the spectrum as well. Choose your words more carefully.


Not always for their beliefs. People die everyday for their own causes, not all are muslim. There are people around the world that go to war for their country and to do so and die for your country is still sacrifice and since you know you can die but go anyway, it is also suicide. Get off the high horse, normal people commit suicide everyday for a cause, not just those "crazy muslims" you hear about on TV.


Such laughter cannot be held back after reading the first part of this, read my signature lately?

"As long as the so called freedoms of the US comes at the expense and blood of others you have no right to call yourself a free country. You think the government is protecting and preserving your freedom when you are really protecting and preserving the lifestyles of the greedy rich who have no qulams about plundering and pillaging." - doggodit



I help those that seek my help and help myself whenever I can. Keep your country, die for it all you like, I won't do so.

Of course I'll be biased, so will you. That's why I stated this isn't a Bible discussion. It's not like I read it daily and get my fill to make me feel better than anyone else like some people might. I stay away from a book that holds no purpose to be read by me as much as I can. I'm not trying to change you here, just showing you that "eternal happiness" is merely a story made to help you feel better about death or live for something better. I live for the "mortal happiness" that still holds feeling and truth. We cannot be sure of death's future, but we will find death nonetheless, no matter how much we believe one thing to actually happen after we die, we might always have believed wrong. All of us. I'm merely showing you that the Bible as it is doesn't matter to those who don't follow it, but that shouldn't mean life can't be meaningful and purpose filled without it.

It is just a book. Use it for guidance, bed time stories, whatever. Just don't expect me to follow your little book too.

Dyr.

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To Breed haha... Yea I believe everyone should have kids dude... it would show you what true love is... a purpose in life... wait but you do not want to consider one of those...

My apologies on my 'harsh' degrading of you... I was merely replying to your statement... with respect...

You were talking about Suicide bombers... and entail ... I responded to the 'Suicide Bombers'... and Yes people do kill themselves for other reasons, depression... lack of purpose... nonacceptance... etc. ... it is a tragedy... well to those who believe in a purpose-driven life...

"As long as the so called freedoms of the US comes at the expense and blood of others you have no right to call yourself a free country. You think the government is protecting and preserving your freedom when you are really protecting and preserving the lifestyles of the greedy rich who have no qulams about plundering and pillaging." - doggodit

Ahhh.. yes you are correct... we only fight for protection and preserving the lifestyles of the rich... for example.. Vietnam... we were fighting for their vast ummm banana trees/rice fields... the same can be said about Korea... we fought for the vast oil fields that were secretly hidden in the jungles.... of maybe ww2... we fought that one definitely for all the money Hitler had been winning from the Lottery or the oppression he put on the rich class in the US... not the fact that the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.... And even though I do not agree with Clinton on some points, we went into Kosovo so they wouldn't threaten the rich Americans... Iraq... well the fact that they were in violation of many many violations of the UN agreement that they had signed... I am sure its all about the money... not the fact that they bought pieces for nuclear guidance systems from Russia... or weapons from China... Clinton just did not want to get involved because he thought he could win them over... just like he did with the North Koreans by paying them so much money to stop them from producing WMD....

Even hearing all this stuff dude from you... I would still die for you man... If you really do not like America... maybe you should hop on the next bus to Canada... they have free health care... yet the top tax bracket which is like over 50k... is taxed very very heavily...

What purpose is there in helping others that 'seek' your help? Why even bother? There is no purpose.. unless you are lonely/broke/hungry/etc?

Thankyou for proving that you do not believe in my 'fairy tales'... I realized the purpose of this thread was to answer my question... if you do not wish to reply to my responses you do not have to, you have already spoken your piece... Take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank

 

[vajradhara]

Hi...
Your first statement does not make any sense .... I know what being perfect is... without sin....are u saying my definition is wrong?

Someone who has no money... or just someone who is krazy... yes this would make them happy... there are people content with killing others...does not sound much like a 'compassionate person'...

'karma' just sounds different... i can't believe in this for the fact that Jesus answers my prayers... he has made myself clear to me... he is my best friend... he speaks to me... he comforts me ... he wipes away my tears... karma is more based on self-righteous... and seeing several nasty instantices in my life I can't see a person seeking righteousness....

In CHrist,
Frank

I do like that religious website.. though it seems kind of more atheists centered.. take kare and God Bless

Namaste Frank,

so.. you're conception of "perfect" is simply "being without sin" does that mean that a rock is perfect, since it quite obviously hasn't sinned? it is my opinion that this definiton of perfection is made along theological lines and does not represent an emperical "perfect" that can be tested and measured. thus, accepting the term "perfect" becomes an item of faith.

think of karma like this, if it will help you: i'm sure you've heard that old expression "you reap what you sow" do you understand the implications of this statement? that's what karma is.

karma is not based on self-righteousness... that's a foreign concept to Buddhist thought. there is no "self" to be righteous in Buddhism... and this is important to keep in mind when discussing Buddhist philosophy and theology.

indeed... Christianity is predicted on someone else (Jesus) atoning for your sins whereas Buddhism places the responsibily squarely on the shoulders of the one that sins.

perhaps you didn't visit the Monotheism forum? however, as a comparative religion site, we'll have all sorts of folks posting there.

 

[vajradhara]

You never know till you try... surfing sounds like a blast...and do you mena the west coast of Africa =).... they have some of the best waves along with Sri Lanka...

Well you must define good... good in God's eyes is never sinning ( no not once )... we all are not good in God's eyes until we accept Christ (God's grace)... therefore it is not the actual deeds as a physician that he cares upon... but the faith that you give to him
Take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank

er... Frank... he said "physicist" not "physician"

 

[Knarf188]

Namaste Frank,

so.. you're conception of "perfect" is simply "being without sin" does that mean that a rock is perfect, since it quite obviously hasn't sinned? it is my opinion that this definiton of perfection is made along theological lines and does not represent an emperical "perfect" that can be tested and measured. thus, accepting the term "perfect" becomes an item of faith.

think of karma like this, if it will help you: i'm sure you've heard that old expression "you reap what you sow" do you understand the implications of this statement? that's what karma is.

karma is not based on self-righteousness... that's a foreign concept to Buddhist thought. there is no "self" to be righteous in Buddhism... and this is important to keep in mind when discussing Buddhist philosophy and theology.

indeed... Christianity is predicted on someone else (Jesus) atoning for your sins whereas Buddhism places the responsibily squarely on the shoulders of the one that sins.

perhaps you didn't visit the Monotheism forum? however, as a comparative religion site, we'll have all sorts of folks posting there.

Perfection ... some-being that is capable of sin that does not sin...

Too think that Ihave the ability to cancel my sin is something I cannot believe... for while I try to outweigh my bad 'karma' , I would still be doing it... therefore I will always be classified bad...

I can never see myself 'enlightned'... I see myself forgiven by grace... I will always sin... even though i truely do not want to...

I willcheck out that forum...

Thanx for the clarification... i was tired... my apologies

In CHrist,
Frank

 

[vajradhara]

Perfection ... some-being that is capable of sin that does not sin...

Too think that Ihave the ability to cancel my sin is something I cannot believe... for while I try to outweigh my bad 'karma' , I would still be doing it... therefore I will always be classified bad...

I can never see myself 'enlightned'... I see myself forgiven by grace... I will always sin... even though i truely do not want to...

I willcheck out that forum...

Thanx for the clarification... i was tired... my apologies

In CHrist,
Frank

Namaste Frank,

thanks for the post.

indeed... perfection is a theological concept, as i had surmized.

only in the Christian world but that's ok... as you are a Christian. though.. i must say, i've never really understood that morbidity of self loathing... eh.. whatever works for you!

though... i should say.. .it's never cancelled... there is nothing that is not accounted for.. both good and bad. there is no abrogation of anything... we each are accountable for our actions.. none are "washed" by anything or anyone else, from our point of view.

no need to apologize for no offense was given

 

[Dyrwen]

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Ahhh.. yes you are correct... we only fight for protection and preserving the lifestyles of the rich... for example.. Vietnam... we were fighting for their vast ummm banana trees/rice fields... the same can be said about Korea... we fought for the vast oil fields that were secretly hidden in the jungles.... of maybe ww2... we fought that one definitely for all the money Hitler had been winning from the Lottery or the oppression he put on the rich class in the US... not the fact that the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.... And even though I do not agree with Clinton on some points, we went into Kosovo so they wouldn't threaten the rich Americans... Iraq... well the fact that they were in violation of many many violations of the UN agreement that they had signed... I am sure its all about the money... not the fact that they bought pieces for nuclear guidance systems from Russia... or weapons from China... Clinton just did not want to get involved because he thought he could win them over... just like he did with the North Koreans by paying them so much money to stop them from producing WMD....

Perhaps you're missing the point, ok, you are. There's no perhaps. We don't go to war for money in all cases, it's just that the rich people that own the corporations and thereby the power to control our country happen to call their wars "preserving of freedoms" to gain the support of the world. When all they are really doing is expanding their imperialism accross the globe. Quite frankly, I don't want our country to be a Police of the globe and couldn't care less what other countries do. We wouldn't have to "defend" ourselves so much if we hadn't interfered so much in the first place. We went and ****ed everyone off and now have to defend ourselves no matter what out of paranoia.

Leave the world alone and let them deal with their own issues. They aren't harming us, beyond 911 which was terrorist (not Afganistan, which we bombed to kingdom come) actions as well as Pearl Harbor which was merely an attack by Japan because of our attempt to slice off their trade abilities. Every other war in our history has been pointless, outside of the Civil War #1 (American Revolution) and Civil War #2 (Duh). I anxiously await our 3rd, hopefully final Civil War that destroys what's left of our imperialistic oppressive militarized draconian **** shoot of a nation bent on owning everything to gain a purpose in its existence.

But hey, what do I know, I'm just a pacifist anarchocommunist with the ideals of freedom stiring in my head and fixing our own problems before we help anyone else out on my mind.

Even hearing all this stuff dude from you... I would still die for you man... If you really do not like America... maybe you should hop on the next bus to Canada... they have free health care... yet the top tax bracket which is like over 50k... is taxed very very heavily...

How many times I have heard such a similar statement.. I cannot count. "Don't like it? Run away." How Americanly Ignorant of people to suggest as an alternative. Did the colonists have Britain telling them the same thing back in the 1700's? I'd figure so. "Don't like the taxes. Leave." And we stayed, we started action and we changed the nation to fit our own will. It then changed through time and is now at a point where I feel it is no longer accurate in its supposed representation of freedom. But seeing as this is a supposed republic and my vote somehow counts, I choose to stay in it and attempt to affect the government instead of leaving it.

Novel idea eh? Trying to do something about the powers that control you, oh, because you're allowed the right to. Odd concept, I must say. But hey, maybe I'm just being UnAmerican by not liking the way the world works right? I should just run away and let you be in your happy little world all alone without anyone to send a dissentious opinion towards you and perhaps state how much better the nation could be in my eyes.

Wouldn't that be nice? A nation full of happy little god-loving Americans in prosperity and freedom, owning parts of the world as they slowly war with anyone who poses the slightest threat merely because they hold the means to do so. How nice indeed. Sounds a bit too Nazi-ish to me, so hey, call me crazy, but I will be using my right to vote soon enough to attempt to do what I can to get what I feel is right into a higher priority by any means neccessary like all Americans with a political opinion should.

What purpose is there in helping others that 'seek' your help? Why even bother? There is no purpose.. unless you are lonely/broke/hungry/etc?

Nothing better to do perhaps? I happen to be broke, not exactly the others, but other people are and reading my arts has occasionally helped them out. Not to mention my blunt honest attitude has talked many people out suicide and given them purpose in life, accidently. By actually telling people to kill themselves or allowing them the realization of all the consequences of their actions, I've managed to save more people by accident than anything else.

People seek help because they want a savior. They want someone to solve all their problems, be their protector, their guidance, their help. Most people do want someone or something to guide them through life, and even normal people can fulfill that bill. Not just gods, people can help too. Because, crazy idea here, they exist in reality right now. You don't have to go far to find them and a good majority can help you out without much effort at all. People need an honest opinion, I give it to them. My opinion may hold no moral grounds nor purpose, but I naturally respond and talk to people that ask questions or talk to me, I was raised by women and happen to be conversative in nature. My purpose in helping others is merely accidental, I don't go out of my way to do this. People find me, they talk to me, they happen to be better off afterwards. It's not my fault that people need help and happen accross me. I'm just very accessable and talkative. Go figure.

Bob forbid I try to help someone to pass the time late at night. I'm just passing the hours faster, but they just want guidance and someone to talk to. They talk, I respond, stuff happens. Quit trying to find a reason to point out my life needs something else, it works well as it is. I happen to be an accidentally helpful person, and I'm an atheist. I'm not evil, at least not enough, and I don't believe in gods. Welcome to reality.

Thankyou for proving that you do not believe in my 'fairy tales'... I realized the purpose of this thread was to answer my question... if you do not wish to reply to my responses you do not have to, you have already spoken your piece... Take kare and God Bless
In Christ,
Frank

I respond when it is asked that I do so. For I've nothing better or more interesting to do. Such is a teenage life. Video game, chat, forum, school, books. Always time to educate. Heh..
In time,
Dyr

 

[Vylo]

And to your other reply... It was in response to that Mandy gurl...the infinite loop was given that she wanted to be a Humanitarian... giving aid to those who suffer... well people will always suffer... its a fact of life... therefore her life is without end... an infinite loop....take kare and God Bless bro

I know it wasn't directed at me but I felt the need to respond. Your statement makes much more sense now, and rings pretty true. You can reduce the overall suffering in the world a small bit, but you will never eliminate it. Then again I would never want to. Without suffering it becomes hard to remember what pleasure feels like. Without strife, I have nothing to overcome. I sorta like a bit of balance.

 

[Vylo]

Knarf: in respect to your response to me. Those people are definetly sacrificing themselves, but I do not believe them to be doing it for something that is real. I admire their conviction, but I am still saddened by what I percieve to be somewhat futile, especially since many of them I am sure are kind, decent people.

Oh, no I'm not that teacher . I'm only about to finish college.