Does willful sin separate the elect from God?

[Phil W]

There is only one sin unto death. Jesus said this and John is restating it.

It is spoken of when Jesus casts the demon out.

Do you know what else is a sin unto death?
It is a sin you don't quit doing...one you don't repent of.

 

[Phil W]

Sin is “missing the mark”.

The mark is Christ.

The Law of Sin and Death is what defines all sin.

Thank God we have been freed from the law of sin and death by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus! (Rom 8:2)

 

[Phil W]

You say you don't commit trespasses, right? You treat everyone perfectly, right?

By the grace of God and His seed that remaineth in me...I cannot bear evil fruit.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Scripture, please.
Why would you need to forgive someone for accidentally 'hurting' you?
It wasn't on purpose.
They were not enticed, tempted, or satisfying some lust. (James 1:14-15)

Matthew 6:15 But if you will not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses.

Leviticus 5:15 “If a person commits a trespass, and sins unintentionally

 

[CharismaticLady]

By the grace of God and His seed that remaineth in me...I cannot bear evil fruit.

You do know that 1 John 3:9 is talking about sins of lawlessness don't you. 1 John 3:4. In other words "willful." These we cannot commit because it is not in the divine nature given to us. But we can and do commit trespasses and hurt each other without realizing it. Though I don't know how much of yours are not intentional. This is why I have to keep forgiving you. You may be sinless, but only because we have an Advocate, because you are not perfect. But I still love you.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Good night.

 

[Wordkeeper]

I don't see how you can differentiate between the 'two'?

Wasn't God's grace also 'sufficient' to raise Lazarus and feed the 5000?

Wasn't Paul's time on earth 'temporary'?

Sure, as I said they were temporary, and Jesus rebuked those who followed him for bread that filled temporarily. If you have ears, listen very carefully: these works were meant to edify, build up the faith of those who worried what would happen to them if they left Egypt, sold everything and gave it to the poor, resigned from their jobs, to follow Jesus. They showed "these things would be added unto them".

Matthew 11
20Then Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of His miracles had been performed, because they did not repent. 21“Woe to you,Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if themiracles that were performed in you had happened in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you.

Paul’s time was temporary, but God’s grace gave him a work which lasted forever. Jesus’s work inaugurated the Body of Christ, the new humanity, Paul’s work enlarged it. I think the Early Church Fathers understood what exanastasia meant. “The blood of martyrs is the seed of the church” they noted.

Scripture, please.

2 Corinthians 12
8Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9But He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is perfected inweakness.” Therefore I will boast all the moregladly in my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest on me. 10That is why, for the sake of Christ, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.


There’s a hole in the bucket, ...

I hope you agree with me in that sinners are no "blessing to the world".

2 Corinthians 5
21God made Him who knewno sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him wemight become the righteousness of God.

Archaeological discoveries of the Dead Sea Scrolls, Qumran, etc. have unearthed evidence enabling the deciphering of terms like "the righteousness of God', dikaiosune theuo. Most scholars agree it means God’s righteousness, sense of obligation to keep His word, His promise to Abraham to make his seed a blessing to the world. It is by being in Christ that we become acceptable offerings to God, leading to the world being blessed.

If Rip van Winkle woke today, he would see electric cars. So you also should wake up and smell the coffee. Information theologians didn’t have before is available today.

Are you more interested in counting coup or in removing stumbling blocks?

 

[Grip Docility]

Do you know what else is a sin unto death?
It is a sin you don't quit doing...one you don't repent of.

So if bob commits a “sin” and dies that instant, has bob lost eternity?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Biblical grace is the important grace. Paul beat himself up black and blue to get a desired result, but God told him His grace was sufficient.

I saw this and though I didn't think you meant this literally, when did Paul "beat himself up black and blue."

 

[ilovejcsog]

Then I ask your forgiveness

Nothing to forgive, Happy Sabbath

 

[CharismaticLady]

I would posit that the fruit of the Spirit never bears sin.
It can only bring forth after it's own kind.

Have you ever tried to eat a green persimmon?

 

[CharismaticLady]

This is condemning all that are saved by Jesus Christ. It is a self condemning statement.

Would you allow me to proof this?

But are they clothed in white robes symbolizing salvation? Or sold invisible clothes by false teachers?

"The Emperor's New Clothes" (Danish: Kejserens nye klæder) is a short tale written by Danish author Hans Christian Andersen, about two weavers who promise an emperor a new suit of clothes that they say is invisible to those who are unfit for their positions, stupid, or incompetent – while in reality, they make no clothes at all, making everyone believe the clothes are invisible to them. When the emperor parades before his subjects in his new "clothes", no one dares to say that they do not see any suit of clothes on him for fear that they will be seen as stupid. Finally a child cries out, "But he isn't wearing anything at all!"

James 1:
21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.

22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Nothing to forgive, Happy Sabbath

I enjoyed your comments.

 

[Saint Steven]

fruit of the Spirit ripen

The Greek word actually refers to gathered (ripe) fruit.

Like the produce, not on the tree. The fruit of the Spirit doesn't ripen.
The fruit of the Spirit is the produce. What is under ripe love?
Or, I would be more patient, but that fruit hasn't ripened yet. - lol

G2590
καρπός karpós, kar-pos'; probably from the base of G726; fruit (as plucked), literally or figuratively:—fruit.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Isn't "not being a sinner" a good thing to you?
It is to me.

And that's why we look forward to and long for the resurrection of the dead, the redemption of our bodies. But we are not here as though we have already attained it, but rather we press on, push forward, looking onward to Jesus as we run this race.

"Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. Let those of us who are mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you. Only let us hold true to what we have attained." - Philippians 3:12-16

But you can't do that if you are pretending you're not a sinner.

Repentance means: turn from, or, change.
If you turn from sin, you are by definition a non-sinner.
If one has to repent of sin over and over again, they are unrepentant until they have a real "turn from" sin.

Alright, by that definition nobody has ever repented ever.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Saint Steven]

That doesn't agree with James 1:14-15.

You grabbed a post out of context. The "- lol" at the end signifies that it was a joke.

The reference you cited is worth a look. It indicates a sequence.
Our own evil desire>temptation>desire conceived (sinful act)>births sin>sin full-grown>births death (spiritual death)

Or in a simplified sequence:
Desire>temptation>yielding>guilt>maintenance>spiritual death

The sequence can be halted through repentance/confession at any point.
- Turn away from our own evil desires
- Resist temptation
- Confess sin when committed -- follow with repentance (turn away from sin)
- Confess a recognized pattern of sin -- follow with repentance (turn away from sin)
- Repent from a sinful lifestyle (a matured pattern of sin)
- Repent from the state of spiritual death reached by a full-blown sinful lifestyle

James 1:14-15
but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Isn't our skin like His?
It is written..."I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." (Gal 2:20)
"Our" skin is His skin after we are "immersed" into Christ. (Rom 6:3)

He is risen and glorified, are you? No, you are here with a flesh and bone that decays and dies. We have the gift of God's promise in Christ, through faith, of the hope of what is to come. Having now by faith in hope what we shall have, at the resurrection, in fact.

One day we will be like Him, but not right now.

This life is a cross, and He tells us, "Take up your cross and follow Me" and "Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple."

-CryptoLutheran

 

[GospelS]

Jesus, our good shepherd, does He not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until He finds it? He most assuredly does as He said so.

If the elect sin willfully, they would repent and shall persevere, not by their own strength but by the power of the one who lives in them through the Holy Spirit. Thus they would be able to fight the good fight and finish their race.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it.

John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

Matthew 18:12 If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying?

 

[Saint Steven]

He is risen and glorified, are you? No, you are here with a flesh and bone that decays and dies. We have the gift of God's promise in Christ, through faith, of the hope of what is to come. Having now by faith in hope what we shall have, at the resurrection, in fact.

One day we will be like Him, but not right now.

This life is a cross, and He tells us, "Take up your cross and follow Me" and "Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple."

-CryptoLutheran

Right. Our completeness is in Christ. However, we are not yet complete.

Philippians 1:4-6
In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy 5 because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, 6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

 

[CharismaticLady]

What is under ripe love?

sarcasm LOL