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Does willful sin separate the elect from God?

Does willful sin separate those once saved from God.

  • No, obedience is "works" and we are not saved by works.

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  • Yes, willful sin must be repented from in order to stay saved.

    Votes: 20 66.7%

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What do you believe sin is, sweet peas?
 
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That inheritance is paid on death.
 
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What do you believe sin is, sweet peas?
What do you think ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 3:20 and JAMES 2:10-11 means? Whatsoever is not of faith is sin *ROMANS 14:23. If we do not believe and follow God's WORD it is sin.
 
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People who willfully (practice) sin are not Christians.
To be accurate, they have not been born of God. (1John 3:9) Christians are followers of Christ. Many Christians are on the path to life. They just haven't arrived yet, a fact of which many of them admit to.
 
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I see the question as having a contradiction, like saying is a person on a diet who over eats still on a diet.

Why in the world would a person “in Christ” murder 1,000 times? Not very Christ-like behavior. So, I reject the ‘once saved, always saved’ hypothesis.

Is obedience ‘works?’ No, as James said, works is the consequence of faith. I find since I received the Holy Spirit, I ask for forgiveness MUCH more.
 
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Everyone sins and everyone commits willful sin and there are no exceptions to this rule.

Some sin more and some sin less, in the end, you will never find a righteous person because they do not exist. Everyone sins to some degree!

I believe that the problem reduces to that belief in Jesus and the continuous exertion of that love towards others.

God is love and if you love others, then you have effectively implemented everything that God could ever ask of you.
 
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These people in this thread who are declaring you must be completely sinless to enter into salvation (which only Christ is) aren't speaking to people who committed a thousand murders though..

Instead, they are speaking to people who may have had a stray lustful thought, or told a co-worker their dress was pretty (when they didnt believe it to be true)

they are speaking to the new Christian or the teenager who sometimes struggles with sin, and declares to them they don't (and cant) belong to Christ...

that's a dangerous road, considering what the Bible says of those who who put stumbling blocks in front of believers.
 
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That inheritance is paid on death.
Sin will still win the wage of death. Man does not escape his obligation to be righteousness under the New Covenant. Instead, now that he's convinced of his failure to be able to obey on his own, he's finally ready to receive the means to fulfill that obligation; he's given the pathway to God to put it another way, a trip that begins with faith, faith in God instead of himself. Because God can accomplish in us what we cannot. And Jesus came to reconcile us with Him
 
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that's a dangerous road, considering what the Bible says of those who who put stumbling blocks in front of believers.

The truth is not an obstacle for the truth will set you free. God's grace better not be thought of as license to sin with impunity.

A new Christian, who just turned to Christ, should get in the habit of frequent praying, growing awareness of how far they are from Christ, repenting with each act of disobedience, knowing such humility brings them honor and God glory.
 
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What do you think ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 3:20 and JAMES 2:10-11 means? Whatsoever is not of faith is sin *ROMANS 14:23. If we do not believe and follow God's WORD it is sin.

I know what sin is. That is why I don't do it.
 
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If a person thinks they can Hebrews 2:14 as the second Adam, they have a God complex.
 
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I know what sin is. That is why I don't do it.

1 John 1:8-10
James 2:10

Are you claiming to be carnally righteous by the law of sin and death? (Deuteronomy 31:26)
 
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1 John 1:8-10
James 2:10

Are you claiming to be carnally righteous by the law of sin and death? (Deuteronomy 31:26)

I believe Jesus when He says He takes away our sin. I see many here don't believe Him.
 
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I believe Jesus when He says He takes away our sin. I see many here don't believe Him.

I believe Him, too. The righteous became Sin for the unrighteous, that the unrighteous could be declared the righteousness of God.

How can someone who is well, claim they need The Good Physician?

Are you righteous by the Law of Moses, in your flesh?
 
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If a person thinks they can Hebrews 2:14 as the second Adam, they have a God complex.
Death is overcome as sin is also overcome in us, the two go hand in hand-a free gift yet one we can always reject. Again, faith is still required, and faith doesn't replace or excuse the need for true righteousness in us; it provides the pathway to it.
 
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So you’re calling fleshly Righteousness... “True Righteousness”?
 
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I believe Jesus when He says He takes away our sin. I see many here don't believe Him.
You are confused. Everyone here believes JESUS takes away our sins. It seems some think however that we can be saved by continuing in known unrepentant sin. This is unbiblical. Yep many are going to be disappointed come judgment day *MATTHEW 7:22-23; HEBREWS 10:26-31. JESUS saves us from sin not to continue in it *JOHN 8:31-36. Only those who endure temptation to the end BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD are the ones that received eternal life *JAMES 1:12.
 
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Unrepentant Sin is to deny that we are sinners and in need of Jesus’ Righteousness.

I can win a debate like this every time by asking if a person sins and still has to repent. I know a person is lying if they deny they still fail... and if they tell the truth, they are caught in duplicity.

God’s standard of Righteousness is only fulfillable by God, While we are in these bodies of death.
 
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