Does white privilege exist in the US?

[Triumvirate]

Systematic racism is a mystical type of racism people often refer to when they can’t find any actual evidence of racism in reality.

Or y'know maybe individualism doesn't explain everything.

Crazy right

 

[BNR32FAN]

Or y'know maybe individualism doesn't explain everything.

Crazy right

Yeah it’s easier to go by the statistics because the statistics don’t show the details of each case. That way we can all speculate about what happened without ever having to worry about being proven wrong.

 

[Triumvirate]

Yeah it’s easier to go by the statistics because the statistics don’t show the details of each case. That way we can all speculate about what happened without ever having to worry about being proven wrong.

It's not like you lot listen even when we do look into individual cases. Then you start whining that your feelings are hurt

 

[Ana the Ist]

Lol stay mad bro

I didn't expect a real response.

Your "problem" is your perspective.

 

[stevil]

That's literally what I said...

But you said
"White privilege refers to the idea that being white affords you a general advantage in society.
...
You can still win if you're black and lose if you're white, but if you're white, your chances of winning are significantly higher."

Where-as I said

I don't think it can be looked at from the basis of an individual.

A poor white with no power connections may have to roll just a 1. A poor black with no power connections may have to roll a 1 or a 2 (because affirmative action have added the 2). That white person isn't going to consider they benefit from "white privilege".

Giving that option 2 to a person of a minority demographic doesn't redress an inbalance on an individual level. It instead gives an advantage to a specific individual because of their race and hence a disadvantage to individuals of another race.

It is, at the individual level very unfair, and means that the advantaged individual doesn't need to work so hard (it doesn't mean that they won't work hard, it just means that the don't have to in order to compete with others). But also means that down the line, others may not respect that advantaged individual because they might assume that they might not have the skills or the intelligence needed to do the job at a high level of quality.
It can create more social issues than it seeks to resolve.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Systematic racism is a mystical type of racism people often refer to when they can’t find any actual evidence of racism in reality.

As far as I can tell, it just means...

"Let's assume these people are racist and accuse them of being racist."

It's not a position of the compassionate.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Giving that option 2 to a person of a minority demographic doesn't redress an inbalance on an individual level. It instead gives an advantage to a specific individual because of their race and hence a disadvantage to individuals of another race.

It is, at the individual level very unfair, and means that the advantaged individual doesn't need to work so hard (it doesn't mean that they won't work hard, it just means that the don't have to in order to compete with others). But also means that down the line, others may not respect that advantaged individual because they might assume that they might not have the skills or the intelligence needed to do the job at a high level of quality.
It can create more social issues than it seeks to resolve.

I never said anything about affirmative action, so I don't know what your post has to do with mine.

 

[Sketcher]

But not in others - Minorities Who 'Whiten' Job Resumes Get More Interviews

In fact, companies are more than twice as likely to call minority applicants for interviews if they submit whitened resumes than candidates who reveal their race—and this discriminatory practice is just as strong for businesses that claim to value diversity as those that don’t​

Yes, that happens. I thought I mentioned that whites have an advantage in other hiring situations in that very post.

 

[SilverBear]

Yes

Really? How?

 

[SilverBear]

In round numbers, 45 million Americans live in poverty, including 10 million Black Americans and (presumably) 20 million (generally) white Americans living in mobile manufactured housing ("trailer parks").

If the rates of crime were similar, there'd be 2x as much crime coming from poor white neighborhoods

If accurate, a hypothesis might be that gangs target non-whites for recruiting (as most violence is gang-related)

Census Shows 27.6 Percent Of Black Americans Live in Poverty | MadameNoire

The median income for families that live in mobile homes is about $30,000 a year. Ref Washington Post Feb 2019
Then median income for families living in poverty is $19,000 a year Ref the Health and Human Services Department

 

[SilverBear]

You haven't proved a "problem" exists.

If you can prove that white privilege exists and then prove it causes a difference of outcomes (a significant difference mind you) then feel free to come back with that data.

Until then you're just repeating racist theories.

and you are just repeating the denial of racists

 

[Sparagmos]

There's a striking difference between the two. Privilege is seen as a badge of honor by the wealthy. They don't apologize for their means. Noblesse oblige is a common ideal for philanthropy and charitable pursuits.

Yes, I can see there is a difference. But I think my point is still illustrated. I grew up lower middle class, and one things my parents instilled in me was a deep and humble awareness of the fact that many kids didn’t have what we have, and not to take what we had for granted. Perhaps that was a middle class oblige LOL. Anyway, as someone who learned about the concept of white privilege from educators, that is very much how it is taught and how it feels.

But the populace is different. Privilege is dirty and accusatory. The other is labeled and expected to feel guilt or atone for benefits they didn't obtain on their own.

. Is Noblesse oblige about guilt though, or just awareness? Because people who actually teach about white privilege don’t talk about it as anything one should feel guilty about or need to atone for. It is far more similar to the responsibility felt as a part of noblesse oblige. The problem comes in when you go around “accusing” others of white privilege instead of looking simply at oneself, and when it is misrepresented and mischaracterized by people who don’t understand the concept.

 

[rturner76]

I didn't expect a real response.

Your "problem" is your perspective.

And YOUR problem is that you have seen the statistics on blacks with the same qualifications getting paid less than whites on average. You have seen the statistics on how blacks on average make less money, have less education, have less property,, how 90% of fortune 500 companies have white CEOs, how blacks are sentenced to more prison time than whites for committing the same crimes. how white cops murder more blacks on average. and you basically say "It's black folks' fault for being stupid."

It seems you like to think "that's a personal problem a black person needs to figure out." There are a lot of problems in poor black communities that are perpetuated by ignorance of their potential. This is because our fathers and grandfathers have been subjugated by white society. Any individual can break free from this conditioning but it is not instilled in our culture that you can be anything you want to be like it is in white culture.

We depend on white business owners and government employees for jobs. Many speak in broken English and have mannerisms that make white people uncomfortable so the white candidate often gets the jobs we apply for. You even said yourself that we all have preconceptions of other people that we can't help. Those preconceptions create more challenges for people of color because ever since this land was colonized, it was Europeans that have controlled all industries. We need their approval to work and they would rather give it to someone they can relate to like anybody would.

It's not hate but familiarity that puts whites in a better position for good jobs and promotions.

*Apologies for ranting, it's just a lot of hurt when people have singled you out for your color. In elementary school, the teachers put my desk up against the wall when it was the little blond girl talking to me during study time. It's hurtful to deal with unfair treatment, especially as a child so I get on these tangents to try and tell people what it's like to face discrimination.

 

[Ana the Ist]

And YOUR problem is that you have seen the statistics on blacks with the same qualifications getting paid less than whites on average. You have seen the statistics on how blacks on average make less money, have less education, have less property,, how 90% of fortune 500 companies have white CEOs, how blacks are sentenced to more prison time than whites for committing the same crimes. how white cops murder more blacks on average. and you basically say "It's black folks' fault for being stupid."

First of all....I've never said anything was anyone's fault for being stupid. You made that up completely.

Secondly, if you're interested in disparities....why aren't we looking at disparities between asians and blacks on all those issues? They're even bigger than the disparity between whites and blacks.

Thirdly, why are we looking at disparities at all? If we look at outcomes for the 1st and 2nd born sons of families....they're wildly different. 40+% of CEOs are firstborn. 2nd born sons have lower educational outcomes and are more likely to go to prison.

That's despite the fact that they grow up in the same families, go to the same schools, etc.

I suppose we could assume that 1st born sons are oppressing 2nd born sons....

Or you know, you don't have any clue what you're talking about.

 

[Ana the Ist]

and you are just repeating the denial of racists

Your logical fallacy is burden of proof

If you can't prove it....it's only logical to disregard it.

 

[OddityCrisis]

White privilege is a tool of the Neo-Marxists to divide America along racial divides in order to achieve their desired revolution.

Unfortunately, it appears to have been a highly succesful gambit.

 

[Sparagmos]

I don't generalize to that degree. I think that skin color is irrelevant regarding people's individual choices unless forced/coerced to think that way, and even then people can see through that.

Ok. So why are blacks poorer than whites? There’s a really stark difference. And why are they incarcerated more?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Ok. So why are blacks poorer than whites? There’s a really stark difference. And why are they incarcerated more?

Why are they poorer than asians?

It's an even starker difference.

 

[OddityCrisis]

Ok. So why are blacks poorer than whites? There’s a really stark difference. And why are they incarcerated more?

1. Welfare & Drug War which destroyed swaths of black families, and created the opening for the glorification of gang culture.

2. The above leads to higher crime rates among those blacks trapped in areas most afflicted by the above circumstances.

 

[disciple Clint]

as noted the statistics show blacks don't commit more crimes they are just arrested and prosecuted at a higher rate.

Wrong