Does white privilege exist in the US?

[grasping the after wind]

I have made my point. If the two of you want to judge the poor and oppressed, and look down on them you have the free will to do so

Im just trying my best to be like Jesus Christ. He loved the poor and oppressed. He had compassion and sympathy for them. Have a nice day

Jesus commanded us to love everyone i.e. our neighbors. Not just the poor and the oppressed but everyone, even our enemies. . BTW the two groups you mentioned, though there can be overlap, are not identical. One can be poor and not oppressed as well as not poor and oppressed.

I don't see what judging either the poor or the oppressed has to do with anything I posted. I challenge you to quote anything in my post that could reasonably be called looking down on the poor and oppressed. I asked only for some proof of your accusations that showed a cause and effect relationship. It seems to me you were the one making judgements about racism causing some situations without providing insufficient evidence and then adopting an attitude of moral superiority in the post above.

 

[SummerMadness]

Does all of that stem from being in unlawful neighborhoods? The reason I ask is that when looking at whites that are arrested more it's usually in a housing project, trailer park etc. Low income areas tend to have higher crime rates. It's not that somebody is racist against the whites its that those arrested are just in an unlawful environment.

Environments are not unlawful. I have yet to see a building, sidewalk, chair, tree or streetlight attack anyone. If police are arresting people because they believe the environment is unlawful, then they're not doing their job. They should be focused on people's actions and behaviors. As we have seen in multiple DOJ reports, this is not the case, there is rampant bias in policing, that needs to be addressed.

 

[Arc F1]

Environments are not unlawful. I have yet to see a building, sidewalk, chair, tree or streetlight attack anyone. If police are arresting people because they believe the environment is unlawful, then they're not doing their job. They should be focused on people's actions and behaviors. As we have seen in multiple DOJ reports, this is not the case, there is rampant bias in policing, that needs to be addressed.

Anytime you enter an area that has high crime levels you expect to see more people being arrested. If crime was to stop arrests would go down. Simple fix for the problem.

 

[Lord Give Me A Sign]

Jesus commanded us to love everyone i.e. our neighbors. Not just the poor and the oppressed but everyone, even our enemies. . BTW the two groups you mentioned, though there can be overlap, are not identical. One can be poor and not oppressed as well as not poor and oppressed.

I don't see what judging either the poor or the oppressed has to do with anything I posted. I challenge you to quote anything in my post that could reasonably be called looking down on the poor and oppressed. I asked only for some proof of your accusations that showed a cause and effect relationship. It seems to me you were the one making judgements about racism causing some situations without providing insufficient evidence and then adopting an attitude of moral superiority in the post above.

I already made my point. If your looking to argue with someone for the sake of arguing, im not that guy. Theres plenty of evidence in this thread that racism and oppression exist. If you disagree thats your choice

I also never said i dont love the rich and wealthy. But i believe i see what your motives are here so i have no interest in carrying on with you

 

[grasping the after wind]

I already made my point. If your looking to argue with someone for the sake of arguing, im not that guy. Theres plenty of evidence in this thread that racism and oppression exist. If you disagree thats your choice

I also never said i dont love the rich and wealthy. But i believe i see what your motives are here so i have no interest in carrying on with you

I never accused you of saying you did not love the rich and wealthy. Perhaps instead of envisioning other people's motives it would be wise to just deal with what they actually post and not concern yourself with some hidden agenda you imagine they might have. I will leave off there as you have no interest in discussion.

 

[Lord Give Me A Sign]

I never accused you of saying you did not love the rich and wealthy. Perhaps instead of envisioning other people's motives it would be wise to just deal with what they actually post and not concern yourself with some hidden agenda you imagine they might have. I will leave off there as you have no interest in discussion.

A lack of empathy often (but not always) goes hand in hand with looking down upon others and judging them. As well as someone who hasnt examined their own heart. But my apologies for accusing you of anything. I have to remember God loves all of us equally and hes only sad when people reject his word.

None of what i said before i apologized is aimed at you. Its only to clarify other things I said

I do think the argument i made has been proven as well as it possibly can be in this thread. If you disagree its not a problem. I apologize again to you and i agree to disagree. Which theres nothing wrong with, if everyone always agreed there would be no point for internet forums. Enjoy the rest of your day friend and God bless

 

[grasping the after wind]

A lack of empathy often (but not always) goes hand in hand with looking down upon others and judging them. As well as someone who hasnt examined their own heart. But my apologies for accusing you of anything. I have to remember God loves all of us equally and hes only sad when people reject his word.

None of what i said before i apologized is aimed at you. Its only to clarify other things I said

I do think the argument i made has been proven as well as it possibly can be in this thread. If you disagree its not a problem. I apologize again to you and i agree to disagree. Which theres nothing wrong with, if everyone always agreed there would be no point for internet forums. Enjoy the rest of your day friend and God bless

God Bless you as well.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I don't think it can be looked at from the basis of an individual.

That's literally what I said...

My analogy was intended as a broad generalization of what privilege means in a societal context. You can use similar analogies to explain privilege afforded by wealth or social connections as well, but these are not mutually exclusive concepts - they all interact with each other and in different ways in different aspects of a person's life.

 

[98cwitr]

Environments are not unlawful. I have yet to see a building, sidewalk, chair, tree or streetlight attack anyone. If police are arresting people because they believe the environment is unlawful, then they're not doing their job. They should be focused on people's actions and behaviors. As we have seen in multiple DOJ reports, this is not the case, there is rampant bias in policing, that needs to be addressed.

I think he's just saying that the "environment" has a higher than average number of people willing to commit crimes, but I agree with both of your points.

 

[Erik Nelson]

A lot of that is failure by design in cities that are overwhelmingly run by Democrats.

Kim Klacik walks real Baltimore - YouTube

 

[BNR32FAN]

according to the department of justice
Blacks are 15 times as likely to be ticketed for the same driving violations as whites
Blacks are are 5 times more likely to be arrested than whites for the same activities
Blacks are 800 times more likely to be shot by police than whites
Blacks are 18 times more likely to be prosecuted for the same crimes as whites
Blacks are 10 times more likely to be convicted than whites for the same crimes
Blacks receive longer jail sentences than whites for the same convictions.
Blacks are denied parole twice as often as white convicts

Can you post a link to that because I can’t find it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Prison population
Black males = 34%
White males = 29%

US population
Black population 13.4%
White population 61%

I cant tell you why the judges are racist. I do know its a broken world with broken people. And we are redeemed only through Christ

Why is their environment more dangerous? Poverty. When there is less job opportunities people are more willing to go to desperate measures such as stealing and dealing drugs to make money

What causes the gunfire in the cities? Once again we live in a broken world with broken people. There is alot more negative influences in the cities and even the music glorifies violence, drug usage, adultery, anger, hatred, victim mentality, etc

Its a broken world not just for the poor but also for the middle class and upper class. Ive met some great loving people with money that care about the poor and homeless. I would never stereotype them all but alot of people with money simply dont understand what the poor and oppressed go through. They dont see it because they are unfamiliar with the environment. And often their wealth and greed blinds them

Why do we see more violent crimes in black communities than we see in predominantly white trailer parks? Both are in poverty.

 

[SilverBear]

Why do we see more violent crimes in black communities than we see in predominantly white trailer parks?

Do we?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Meaningless. You need to talk about the problem in order to delineate it, then the solution can be arrived at.

One could also argue whites constantly retreating to "but our feelings are hurt" is also not focusing on solutions, wouldn't you say

You haven't proved a "problem" exists.

If you can prove that white privilege exists and then prove it causes a difference of outcomes (a significant difference mind you) then feel free to come back with that data.

Until then you're just repeating racist theories.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Do we?

Yes

 

[Erik Nelson]

Do we?

In round numbers, 45 million Americans live in poverty, including 10 million Black Americans and (presumably) 20 million (generally) white Americans living in mobile manufactured housing ("trailer parks").

If the rates of crime were similar, there'd be 2x as much crime coming from poor white neighborhoods

If accurate, a hypothesis might be that gangs target non-whites for recruiting (as most violence is gang-related)

Census Shows 27.6 Percent Of Black Americans Live in Poverty | MadameNoire

 

[Ana the Ist]

But I would never raise the subject of white privilege with a person who wasn’t already exploring the idea of systemic racism and shown an interest in understanding their own part in it.

What is systemic racism and how do you identify it?

 

[BNR32FAN]

In round numbers, 45 million Americans live in poverty, including 10 million Black Americans and (presumably) 20 million (generally) white Americans living in mobile manufactured housing ("trailer parks").

If the rates of crime were similar, there'd be 2x as much crime coming from poor white neighborhoods

If accurate, a hypothesis might be that gangs target non-whites for recruiting (as most violence is gang-related)

Census Shows 27.6 Percent Of Black Americans Live in Poverty | MadameNoire

well I would point out that most motorcycle gangs are predominantly white but I think overall gang activity isn’t the problem with the majority of violent crimes. It’s more of a mentality issue than gang related. That “nobody better mess with me” attitude is found both in and out of gang factions which I believe is the main cause.

 

[Triumvirate]

You haven't proved a "problem" exists.

If you can prove that white privilege exists and then prove it causes a difference of outcomes (a significant difference mind you) then feel free to come back with that data.

Until then you're just repeating racist theories.

Lol stay mad bro

 

[BNR32FAN]

What is systemic racism and how do you identify it?

Systematic racism is a mystical type of racism people often refer to when they can’t find any actual evidence of racism in reality.