White Male Protestants built the USA?

[DaisyDay]

Helpful and informative post. How can these demons of racial and sexist oppression be exorcised today?

It seems that they cannot be fully rooted out because of human nature. The best we can do is monitor the situation and mitigate the worst.

 

[Larniavc]

How can a person become free if they do not know true freedom?

By being exposed to true freedom.

 

[RileyG]

So only ‘free’ the slaves once they convert to Christianity?

That’s horrendous.

It’s my understanding why many historical black Churches existed because of the persecution of African Americans. They had to be separate because of racism and bigotry.

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I do realize the style of the OP was a little aggressive but I am not just speaking with Christians here and nor do I believe that the movement I am addressing is entirely of God.

Movement? What "movement" are you referring to? All you're discussing is "white male Protestants", presumably American.

Thats not a "movement", but rather for most simply an inescapable reality. No one can change the color of their skin and most people hold the faith of their parents or grandparents etc

I'm addressing the topic of the thread as it's presented - I'm not reading "movement" in the color of people's skin and the faith of their fathers, kept alive in their hearts.

Speaking the truth in love can bite a little so longer as the motive behind the speaking is the blessing of the recipient.

Not exactly sure what you mean here, I do apologize. I would agree the truth can hurt sometimes, but when it's delivered appropriately it will be met with what God intended.

But while you agree that social mobility is biblical you did not seem to recognize that it was not happening in modern America. @ThatRobGuys statistics showed certain protestant groups topping the charts while others did not.

The ability to fulfill ones destiny according to the gifts and opportunities God has set before us regardless of race or station to which one was born is Godly.

We can only provide a space without these types of governmental roadblocks and encourage national industry

When opportunity was shipped with our factories to foreign countries; when there's no mobility for anyone because we lost the work opportunities once freely available nationally there's not much anyone can do.

Having a space where someone might thrive is not a guarantee of outcome. Not even God gives anyone a guaranteed outcome. I'm disabled - no choice... We deal with life as it hits us, what's good about America is that prayers and hard work "can" pay off... There's no guarantee it will for anyone though.

You've made quite a lot of points so I'll likely be back tomorrow to finish a reply. I just jotted a few thoughts is all.

 

[Larniavc]

It’s my understanding why many historical black Churches existed because of the persecution of African Americans. They had to be separate because of racism and bigotry.

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong.

In America (and many other nations) being white is ‘Story’ mode.

 

[RileyG]

In America (and many other nations) being white is ‘Story’ mode.

Yes. America (The United States) was the "new world" for the "old world" (European Whites) coming in.

 

[Lukaris]

I think initially America was shaped by WASP men and women. As time went on more people were involved ( for better and worse). Whoever labored or was boss in all of this is part of the equation. America is often a nation of extreme good and bad and I think its powerful socioeconomics makes this extremely intense. Pro slave and abolitionist whites killed each other ( well before the civil war) yet seemed united in displacing American Indians.

On a personal level obviously my Arabic ancestors came later whereas my colonist ancestor was a 17th c. Indentured servant. However bad this was it couldn’t compare to the suffering of slavery.

 

[Hazelelponi]

On a personal level obviously my Arabic ancestors came later whereas my colonist ancestor was a 17th c. Indentured servant. However bad this was it couldn’t compare to the suffering of slavery.

Indentured servitude was likely just as bad if not in some cases worse.

All a master had to do was to claim the indentured servant had accrued more debt and refuse to release them.

My current husband had more than one of his great great grandfathers stealing their wives out of indentured servant slavery when this country first began and hiding them away and marrying them and keeping them safe. He laughs that he's just following in their shoes when he married me.... Lol

But he has actual documentation of one of his forefathers spending prison time over it, and another got articles from the time written about his "evil" slave stealing forefather.

My husband knows more about it since many of his family actually came out of such arrangements, but he thinks often they were treated worse... It just depends really on who the owner is in the end.

Either way, I am glad we don't have such practices here today.

 

[Lukaris]

Indentured servitude was likely just as bad if not in some cases worse.

All a master had to do was to claim the indentured servant had accrued more debt and refuse to release them.

My current husband had more than one of his great great grandfathers stealing their wives out of indentured servant slavery when this country first began and hiding them away and marrying them and keeping them safe. He laughs that he's just following in their shoes when he married me.... Lol

But he has actual documentation of one of his forefathers spending prison time over it, and another got articles from the time written about his "evil" slave stealing forefather.

My husband knows more about it since many of his family actually came out of such arrangements, but he thinks often they were treated worse... It just depends really on who the owner is in the end.

Either way, I am glad we don't have such practices here today.

I know indentured servitude persisted also because I know of 2nd or 3rd generation ancestors who fell back into it.