Does God allow abortions?

[S.O.J.I.A.]

well, that settles it

i'm gonna go hit deja vu. strip clubs are legal.

 

[Strong in Him]

You be the judge:

If you're asking "does God want women to have abortions?" I believe the answer is 'no' - though he knows their circumstances and understands why some might choose that.
If you mean "allow" in the sense that he does not strike women dead with a thunderbolt, allows them to continue in their choice and then face any consequences afterwards; I believe the answer is 'yes' - same as any other sin. He gives us the ability and maturity to choose for ourselves - even when that means that we so against what he wants and hurt ourselves, and others, in the process.

1 Peter 2:13-17
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.

Titus 3:1
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,

and now:
New York State Assembly Passes Third Trimester Abortion Bill

Well I'm not American.
But if you are saying that Christians should obey a law that a - possibly non Christian - government has passed, because we should obey they state even when they go against God; I don't agree. But good luck if you decide to do that.

 

[☦Marius☦]

The abortion agenda was started by eugenicist devils like Margret Sanger and Helena Blavatsky in order to promote a more promiscuous society...one that can be controlled and duped easily.

I'm deeply disturbed at the influx of Pastor Anderson videos posted on this site. Anyone who tells his congregation not to pray for a homosexuals salvation, but to pray that they go to hell, should never ever be considered a person of spiritual authority.

 

[☦Marius☦]

This topic is altogether bizzare. Since when is the federal government commanding us to get abortions? This is not an imperial system as it was back in the apostles time. Peter specifically says to honor the emperor.

We however are in a democracy- which means we choose what the government does. We are supposed to be represented.

What an odd way to go about this argument.

 

[Strong in Him]

I didn't find any limitations. Jesus obeyed Government and was crucified by them.
I'd say that is your natural limit, being crucified by the law.

No he didn't.
He obeyed God, did God's will, healed on the Sabbath, called the Pharisees out on their hypocrisy and other stuff, and they did not like him, nor his popularity.
Because Israel was an occupied nation, they had no authority to put anyone to death, so they had to get the Romans to do it - which is why they accused him of treason and speaking against Caesar.

God's plan to send Jesus to die for the sin of the world was put into effect before Creation, 1 Peter 1:20, and prophesied in the Garden of Eden, Genesis 3:15.
Jesus did not go meekly to his death because the government told him to. He knew what he was doing from the moment he rode into Jerusalem on a donkey, if not before. It was all part of God's plan; prophesied by him.

 

[HermanNeutics13]

I am surprised you quote Romans 13, that's the one people usually use they want you to blindly obey government. But it is all conditional on Acts 5:29. We must obey God rather than man.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

No he didn't.
He obeyed God, did God's will, healed on the Sabbath, called the Pharisees out on their hypocrisy and other stuff, and they did not like him, nor his popularity.
Because Israel was an occupied nation, they had no authority to put anyone to death, so they had to get the Romans to do it - which is why they accused him of treason and speaking against Caesar.

God's plan to send Jesus to die for the sin of the world was put into effect before Creation, 1 Peter 1:20, and prophesied in the Garden of Eden, Genesis 3:15.
Jesus did not go meekly to his death because the government told him to. He knew what he was doing from the moment he rode into Jerusalem on a donkey, if not before. It was all part of God's plan; prophesied by him.

Amen!!!

 

[Jonaitis]

Well, you have to be careful about how far you take those verses about obeying and submitting to the governing authorities. You quoted 1 Peter 2:13-17, where it says honor the emperor, yet we find in history Christians were brutally tortured and killed for refusing to burn incense to Caesar and calling him 'Lord,' because that is a form of idolatry. Are you telling me we should burn incense to Caesar and recognize him as 'Lord' because of this verse? I hope not.

 

[DarkSoul999]

Obeying government takes precedent over the written code in scripture.

1 Timothy 2:1-3
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,

In Nazi Germany it was required by law to report the presence of Jews to authorities. What do you suppose God thought about that institutional policy?!

Anti-Jewish Legislation in Prewar Germany

 

[Zetetica]

You will be REQUIRED to break man's law when "The Mark of The Beast" arrives.

Revelation 13:16-17 KJV
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: [17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
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Revelation 19:20 KJV
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[Call me Nic]

I'm deeply disturbed at the influx of Pastor Anderson videos posted on this site. Anyone who tells his congregation not to pray for a homosexuals salvation, but to pray that they go to hell, should never ever be considered a person of spiritual authority.

Anderson has some skewed doctrines, but some of the doctrines he teaches are pure Bible. Like with anyone, discernment is needed when listening to his preaching.

 

[SkyWriting]

In Nazi Germany it was required by law to report the presence of Jews to authorities. What do you suppose God thought about that institutional policy?!Anti-Jewish Legislation in Prewar Germany

I will drop my quest to follow scripture as a last resort.

 

[Monk Brendan]

You be the judge:

1 Peter 2:13-17
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.

Titus 3:1
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,

and now:
New York State Assembly Passes Third Trimester Abortion Bill

I hope that your conscience is not so seared that you think God approves of killing babies before they are born.

 

[SkyWriting]

You will be REQUIRED to break man's law when "The Mark of The Beast" arrives.

Revelation 13:16-17 KJV
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: [17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
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Revelation 19:20 KJV
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Where is the requirement you are speaking of?

 

[Call me Nic]

I will drop my quest to follow scripture if you desire that.

Don’t drop your quest to follow scripture, but please find the wisdom of which scriptures are contextually valid for which circumstance. God hates murder and violence, and so any law that legalizes the murder of children in the womb is not something God would ever ordain. Man on his own has decided to institute something so vile, and God is allowing it for a time so that iniquity can abound more and more upon the earth until the return of Christ.
However, you are making the assumption that just because God allows something to take place under the authority of an earthly government, that he sways and changes his mind upon what we must do in terms of what is righteous. God never changes his mind, neither changes his judgements. Murder is sin now just as it was when Cain killed Abel

You need to stop assuming that God is the author of evil.

 

[SkyWriting]

I hope that your conscience is not so seared that you think God approves of killing babies before they are born.

About 50% of all Zygotes reach the stage of natural birth.
Becasue I already stand that God plans and controls
the path of each electron in the Cosmos, I already take the
position that God takes over half of all unborn already, according
to His will.

 

[Zetetica]

Where is the requirement you are speaking of?

Do you desire to be thrown in The Lake of Fire? If not, you can not take the mark.

 

[SkyWriting]

However, you are making the assumption that just because God allows something to take place under the authority of an earthly government, that he sways and changes his mind upon what we must do in terms of what is righteous. God never changes his mind, neither changes his judgements.

My stand is that local Government action is the will of the Father.

1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3:1
1 Timothy 2:1-3
Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Romans 13:7
1 Timothy 2:1-2
Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Revelation 1:5
Romans 13:4
Proverbs 21:1
John 19:11
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 29:2
Proverbs 8:15
Psalms 94:20
Deuteronomy 28:1-68
Daniel 2:21
John 19:10-11

 

[SkyWriting]

Do you desire to be thrown in The Lake of Fire? If not, you can not take the mark.

God plans and executes every action in the Cosmos.
His Will be done.

 

[RDKirk]

Right. That's not in scripture, but is a common refrain.
That idea is overturned by these passages: Post #33

If I may offer a historical story like yours, which is also strictly history:

25 As they stretched him out to flog him, Paul said to the centurion standing there, “Is it legal for you to flog a Roman citizen who hasn’t even been found guilty?”

26 When the centurion heard this, he went to the commander and reported it. “What are you going to do?” he asked. “This man is a Roman citizen.”

27 The commander went to Paul and asked, “Tell me, are you a Roman citizen?”

“Yes, I am,” he answered.

28 Then the commander said, “I had to pay a lot of money for my citizenship.”

“But I was born a citizen,” Paul replied.

29 Those who were about to interrogate him withdrew immediately. The commander himself was alarmed when he realized that he had put Paul, a Roman citizen, in chains.

Here Paul does not make appeals to man or God or justice, but to his citizenship.
I will imagine becasue he knew that God protected him through his citizenship.
I take this as an instructional passage on the power of God through government.
You don't have to agree.

Paul makes an appeal to Roman law because he has been turned over to Roman law.

But in fact, if Paul had intended to obey Roman law, he would not have entered Philippi in the first place.