Does God allow abortions?

[Dave-W]

When does mans law ever take precedent over Gods? Thats the same as saying abortion is legal in Gods eyes because its legal in mans law..

Context, my good man.

When Paul and Peter wrote to submit to civil authority, Nero was the emperor. While bowing down to the Roman/Greek pantheon was not required by Romans, it was STRONGLY encouraged. But both said to worship the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob exclusively.

So you are saying worshiping those idols was OK with God, Peter and Paul?

 

[SkyWriting]

The OP says that mans law takes precedent over the written code in scripture. So that would mean we can have other Gods because the law of man allows it.

Oh. Is that what it means to you? Interesting.

 

[W2L]

Context, my good man.

When Paul and Peter wrote to submit to civil authority, Nero was the emperor. While bowing down to the Roman/Greek pantheon was not required by Romans, it was STRONGLY encouraged. But both said to worship the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob exclusively.

So you are saying worshiping those idols was OK with God, Peter and Paul?

No. Thats what SkyWriting is saying when he says that mans law takes precedent over Gods.

 

[SkyWriting]

There is no law requiring abortion.

I'm no medical law expert, but if a pregnancy is killing the mother and the diagnosis is confirmed, I would wonder if the law required saving the mother, or did not require it and letting her die. I really don't know which.

 

[W2L]

Oh. Is that what it means to you? Interesting.

Thats what this post is saying below. Please correct me if im wrong. i would love to be wrong in this case. I would actually be happy to be wrong.

Obeying government takes precedent over the written code in scripture.

 

[SkyWriting]

You’ve already been ousted as one who values the opinions of man above the truths of God. If you think abortion is God’s will just because a sinful, wicked government institutes it as law, that truly shows how vile your heart is.

OK. What I noticed is that Jesus claimed that his comming crucifixion was the will of His Father. So I looked up passages on "Government" and found support for the idea that local law took precedence over God's written code, which scripture clams is obsolete.
I'm just floating what scripture says over what the objections are.

 

[W2L]

local law took precedence over God's written code, which scripture clams is obsolete.

We can clear up my confusion here. Bear with me here, thank you. What is the written code? Does that include the commands of Jesus and the apostles that are written?

 

[SkyWriting]

The OP says that mans law takes precedent over the written code in scripture. So that would mean we can have other Gods because the law of man allows it.

When I found that the Father's will is carried out through local government, like at the trial of Jesus, that did not bring in new Gods.

Wait...sorry. Yes. The law of man allows for multiple God's or religions.
That's why the US receives new people fleeing religious persecution
....when we are in the mood for it. Praise God for setting up the U.S.

 

[devin553344]

You be the judge:

1 Peter 2:13-17
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.

Titus 3:1
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,

and now:
New York State Assembly Passes Third Trimester Abortion Bill

Third trimester abortions are just terrible in my opinion. And I don't think I have to quote scripture for that.

 

[SkyWriting]

We can clear up my confusion here. Bear with me here, thank you. What is the written code? Does that include the commands of Jesus and the apostles that are written?

Best you read that in context and let God explain. Forum posters are notorious for boasting what we think we know.

Released from the Law
7 Or do you not know, brothers[a]—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? 2 For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. 3 Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.

4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. 5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.[c]

The Law and Sin
7 What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died. 10 The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me. 11 For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12 So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.
Bible Gateway passage: Romans 7 - English Standard Version

 

[W2L]

When I found that the Father's will is carried out through local government, like at the trial of Jesus, that did not bring in new Gods.

In your interpretation of scripture mans law takes precedent over God law that is now obsolete. What about the commands of Jesus and His apostles? Are they obsolete?

 

[SkyWriting]

Third trimester abortions are just terrible in my opinion. And I don't think I have to quote scripture for that.

Absolutely. I saw an abortion doctor close to tears leaving the procedure room.
So was I. So was the patient. Everyone was in agony.

 

[SkyWriting]

No. Thats what SkyWriting is saying when he says that mans law takes precedent over Gods.

Your conclusion perhaps. The Fathers will is now through local government.
I fully understand that's it counter to the teaching of many/most preachers.

1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3:1
1 Timothy 2:1-3
Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Romans 13:7
1 Timothy 2:1-2
Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Revelation 1:5
Romans 13:4
Proverbs 21:1
John 19:11
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 29:2
Proverbs 8:15
Psalms 94:20
Deuteronomy 28:1-68
Daniel 2:21
John 19:10-11

 

[W2L]

Your conclusion perhaps. The Fathers will is now through local government.

Like i said, you can clear up this confusion by answering post 31. Im trying to find some common ground here. Please just answer the question and we can go from there, thank you.

Does God allow abortions?

 

[1213]

Does God allow abortions?

It is really sad thing that babies are so hated that people want to murder them even before they are born. But, God does not accept murder, as you may know, if you have read:


You shall not murder.
Ex. 20:13

I would assume, government that goes against God’s commandments, doesn’t last very long. I would like to wish good luck for New York, but that would mean I would wish good luck for those who want babies to be murdered and I just can’t do that, sorry.

 

[friend of]

No. Abortion is murder.

Daniel refused to worship the king and was punished for it, but God honored Daniel's refusal and so Daniel's punishment came to naught. Eventually, the one responsible for this bad law was thrown into the lion's den instead.

There are many governments that do things and make laws that are contrary to the Bible and we should always hold what the bible says over what man makes up. Many governments even killed their own people, so surely God doesn't approve of genocide.

 

[SkyWriting]

It is really sad thing that babies are so hated that people want to murder them even before they are born. But, God does not accept murder, as you may know, if you have read:


You shall not murder.
Ex. 20:13

I would assume, government that goes against God’s commandments, doesn’t last very long. I would like to wish good luck for New York, but that would mean I would wish good luck for those who want babies to be murdered and I just can’t do that, sorry.

One of my grandchildren abandoned her child and has not been seen since.
Her child was since adopted by her mom who now must raise another kid.
But many other children are not so fortunate. It's a decision best left legally to mom.
Especially since others are not consulted anyway.

 

[RDKirk]

You need to go farther back than that. Hippocrates was the father of western medicine and he wrote circa 400 bc. In his famous oath (which was pretty much unaltered until the 1970s) it states I shall not help a woman to obtain an abortion. So that has been going on for a very long time.

And early Christian apologist Athenagoras pointed out to the duo-Caesars in 180 AD that Christians were already known among Romans for opposing abortion and infanticide.

Sanger et al are just the modern proponents of the practice.

Sanger's ideas were tied in with eugenics and control of the gene pool, which was rampant in the early 20th century as many were terrified of those "dirty immigrants" coming from the less white parts of Europe.

Gene pool fear had a good number of ramifications during that time, including such disparate-seeming trends as tough new anti-miscegenation laws and the soap opera boom.

 

[RDKirk]

Context, my good man.

When Paul and Peter wrote to submit to civil authority, Nero was the emperor. While bowing down to the Roman/Greek pantheon was not required by Romans, it was STRONGLY encouraged. But both said to worship the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob exclusively.

Later on when sacrificing to the dead Caesars was required, Christians refused to do it.

One Roman governor clearly saw the requirement to sacrifice to the Caesars as nothing more than a bureaucratic square to be filled, something to do once and forget, and was honestly mystified that Christians would rather die.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

No. Thats what SkyWriting is saying when he says that mans law takes precedent over Gods.

Many believe that way?
I guess no respect for God?
The world will fool you (us).
(ALL) -- Little man -- what a fool.
M-Bob