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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by SkyWriting, Jan 13, 2019.

  1. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    Gods written code of conduct is obsolete and the new code of conduct is your local laws, whatever they might be. God's old written code is obsolete.

    Tell me, you who want to be under the law,
    are you not aware of what the law says? (Galatians 4:21)



    Believe in Yahweh as the Only Source of Power in the Universe. (Exodus 20:2)
    Submit to Yahweh as the Supreme Head, to be in unity with Yahweh. (Deuteronomy 6:4)
    Love Yahweh with all your heart, soul, and might. (Deuteronomy 6:5)
    Reverence Yahweh by Keeping His Laws. (Deuteronomy 6:12-13, 25)
    Serve Yahweh. (Exodus 23:25)
    Hold fast to Yahweh. (Deuteronomy 10:20)
    Taking an oath by Yahweh's Name. (Deuteronomy 6:13)
    Walk in Yahweh's ways. (Deuteronomy 28:9)
    Sanctify Yahweh's Name. (Leviticus 22:32)
    Read (study and meditate on) the Book of the Law. (Deuteronomy 6:7)
    Teach the Book of the Law to our children. (Deuteronomy 6:7)
    Bind the Law upon our hands. (Deuteronomy 6:8)
    Bind (write) the Law upon our minds. (Deuteronomy 6:8)
    Make tzitzit on the corners of the tallits. (Numbers 15:38-40)
    Preach and publish Yahweh's Law. (Deuteronomy 6:9)
    Gather for the reading of the Law every seventh year. (Deuteronomy 31:10-13)
    A king must acquire and apply the Book of the Law. (Deuteronomy 17:18-20)
    Acquire the Book of the Law. (Deuteronomy 31:19)
    Be thankful to Yahweh in prayer, praise, and deed. (Deuteronomy 8:10)

    The Temple and the Priests

    Build the Holy sanctuary of Yahweh. (Exodus 25:8-9)
    We must reverence Yahweh in the sanctuary of Yahweh. (Leviticus 19:30)
    Guard the sanctuary of Yahweh at all times. (Numbers 18:2, 4)
    The priests and Levites shall do their appointed work in the sanctuary of Yahweh. (Numbers 18:23,6-7)
    The priests must wash their hands and feet. (Exodus 30:17-21)
    The priests must light the seven lamp lampstand. (Exodus 27:20-21)
    The priests must bless the people with the Name of Yahweh. (Numbers 6:23-27)
    The priests must set the showbread and frankincense before the ark. (Exodus 25:30)
    The priests must burn the incense on the golden altar in the morning and between the evenings. (Exodus 30:7-8)
    The priests must keep the fire burning on the altar continuously. (Leviticus 6:12-13)
    The priests must remove the ashes from the altar daily. (Leviticus 6:10-11)
    The priests must keep the ritually unclean out of the inner court of the sanctuary of Yahweh. (Numbers 5:2-3)
    The priests must be regarded as holy. (Leviticus 21:8)
    The priests must dress in special priestly garments. (Exodus 28:2-43)
    The priests must bear the responsibility for the sanctuary of Yahweh. (Numbers 18:1, 5)
    The priests must prepare the holy anointing oil according to its formula. (Exodus 30:23-33)
    The priests must perform their services at the sanctuary of Yahweh at the appointed time. (Deuteronomy 18:6-8)
    The priests may become ritually unclean due to certain close relatives. (Leviticus 21:1-4)
    The High Priest may marry only a virgin. (Leviticus 21:13-14)

    Sacrifices

    The continual burnt offering (Tamid sacrifice) must be offered twice daily. (Numbers 28:2-6)
    The grain and drink offering must be offered twice daily. (Numbers 28:2-8)
    An additional sacrifice must be offered every Sabbath. (Numbers 28:9-10)
    An additional sacrifice must be offered on The New Moon. (Numbers 28:11-15)
    An additional sacrifice must be offered every day of The Feast of Unleavened Bread (Passover). (Numbers 28:18-24)
    The Omer offering of the first barley must also be brought on the first day of The Feast of Unleavened Bread (Passover) and must be waved by the priests on the second day of the Feast. (Leviticus 23:10-14)
    An additional offering must be offered at The Feast of Weeks (Pentecost). (Numbers 28:26-30)
    Two wave loaves of bread baked with salt must be offered on The Feast of Weeks (Pentecost). (Leviticus 23:17)
    An additional sacrifice must be offered on The Feast of Trumpets. (Numbers 29:1-6)
    An additional sacrifice must be offered on the Day of Atonement. (Numbers 29:7-8)
    The Atonement Service must be performed on the Day of Atonement. (Leviticus 16:2-34)
    An additional sacrifice must be offered every day of The Feast of Tabernacles. (Numbers 29:12-34)
    An additional sacrifice must be offered on The Last Great Day. (Numbers 29:35-40)
    Three times a year keep a Feast to Yahweh: at The Feast of Unleavened Bread, at The Feast of Weeks (Pentecost), and at The Feast of Tabernacles. (Exodus 23:14-17)
    The Feasts of Yahweh must be kept only at the Place Yahweh chooses, at the sanctuary of Yahweh. (Deuteronomy 12:5-7, 14)
    Every household must appear before Yahweh and rejoice at the Feasts. (Deuteronomy 16:14)
    The Passover Lamb must be killed on the fourteenth day of Abib between the two evenings. (Numbers 28:16)
    The Passover Lamb must be eaten on the night of the fifteenth of Abib.(Exodus 12:8-11)
    Those who are unclean from a dead body or away on a journey (stranded, detained, or imprisoned) must kill the Passover Lamb in the Second Moon. (Numbers 9:10-11)
    The Passover in the Second Moon must be held according to all its ordinances. (Numbers 9:11-12)

    The Law: All 613 Commandments!
     
  2. Matt Evans

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    So who are you saying made God's laws obsolete, man or God ?

    If man dares to usurp God's law with his own does this mean as followers of God we must cease to obey God's laws and obey man's alone ?

    Please make yourself clear on this issue, and of course laws implemented by local governments differ from locality to locality, pretty much everything you are saying fails to make any sense whatsoever, either that or I am severely docile...
     
  3. SkyWriting

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    You are normal. Nobody believes what I have discovered.
    They all say the scripture below is Hogwash.

    1 Peter 2:13-17
    Titus 3:1
    1 Timothy 2:1-3
    Psalms 22:28
    Daniel 2:20-21
    Romans 13:7
    1 Timothy 2:1-2
    Deuteronomy 16:18-20
    Revelation 1:5
    Romans 13:4
    Proverbs 21:1
    John 19:11
    Mark 3:24
    Proverbs 29:2
    Proverbs 8:15
    Psalms 94:20
    Deuteronomy 28:1-68
    Daniel 2:21
    John 19:10-11
     
  4. SkyWriting

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    3“But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD. I will put My law in their minds and inscribe it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people. 34 No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD.
     
  5. Justified112

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  6. Justified112

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    You didn't discover anything all you do is pervert scripture to justify abortion.

    And no one is saying those scriptures are hogwash. It is your mishandling of those Scriptures that is hogwash.
     
  7. Justified112

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    That passage is not saying that God's laws are obsolete. It is saying that we are to submit to the ruling powers in the manner that is right and reasonable. But it does not say that we are submit to them without question and even if they tell us to do something that goes against.


    So, again, the reasoning in both Peter and Paul do not include the notion that God's laws are obsolete. Neither of them make that case. We are to be good citizens, but nowhere does it say we are to submit unquestioningly.

    This is a lousy excuse for you trying to make a case for abortion.


    Unlike you, the 655 quotes from the OT are not taken out of context and misapplied the way you are doing. You are perverting the Bible to justify the abomination of abortion. You will stand in judgment for that.
     
  8. Justified112

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    The NT is written on the foundation of the Torah and does not abrogate the moral standards of the Torah.

    Abortion is murder and is as forbidden in the NT as it would be in the OT. If you support abortion, you are outside of Bible and outside the authentic Christian faith.
     
  9. SkyWriting

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    The Law of God is now in my heart and not written in Ink.

    2 Corinthians 3:7
    Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end,

    2 Corinthians 3:3
    And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

    1 Samuel 16:7
    But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”

    ("Ink" includes what I have written in posts)
     
  10. SkyWriting

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    They apply as you read them. Your interpretation is not in my control.
     
  11. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    Yes, and this passage does:

    2 Corinthians 3:3
    And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

    My moral standards are now in MY heart, and not found in your heart or in Ink.
     
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  12. StrivingFollower

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    It sure is hard to follow that idolatry law when you treat the government like it's infallible.
     
  13. SkyWriting

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    Of the 655, all are out of the original context and no one complains about use in context, not one time.

    Here is one passage that is OFF THE WALL out of context:
    2 Corinthians 11:3
    I am afraid, however, that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may be led astray from your simple and pure devotion to Christ.


    So a serpent deceiving a woman is the context for any people who do not love Jesus? How is that in context? Because the writer applies it to a different situation.
     
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  14. SkyWriting

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    Even scripture does not claim it is infallible. It's says that following local law is God's will for us, just as Jesus taught us during His trial and execution.

    We are tasked with following local law becasue:
    Mark 3:24
    If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
     
  15. StrivingFollower

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    So do you wish those early church martyrs should've just sucked it up and did a few rituals for the pagan gods? Maybe they should've kept their religion hidden if it caused so much hostility. It's the loving thing to do right?
     
  16. SkyWriting

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    True, and this does:

    Hebrews 8:13
    In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

    2 Corinthians 3:1-18
    Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some do, letters of recommendation to you, or from you? You yourselves are our letter of recommendation, written on our hearts, to be known and read by all. And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God
     
  17. SkyWriting

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    The loving thing to do is written on my heart. Not in ink or stone.
    For this reason we are not qualified to judge others.

    1 Samuel 16:7
    But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”
     
  18. SkyWriting

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    Mark 3:24
    If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

    Jude 1:6
    And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day
     
  19. Justified112

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    And that law still forbids abortion, as abortion is murder.
     
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    Sorry, but you have failed to show that God's law is abrogated by human laws. God's word stands forever and none of His statutes fail. What God called sin in the Bible is still a sin today. Murder is still a sin and abortion is murder.
     
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