Does God allow abortions?

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True, and this does:

Hebrews 8:13
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

2 Corinthians 3:1-18
Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some do, letters of recommendation to you, or from you? You yourselves are our letter of recommendation, written on our hearts, to be known and read by all. And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God
Covenant and law are not the same.

God isn't giving a new law. The Old and New Covenants are not old and new laws. They are different ways of administering the same law. So God's law may exist under a new covenant, but that does not abrogate the law. It is simply applied to our lives in a different manner. You need to learn the difference between covenant and law.

And you need to stop trying to justify murder.
 
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And that law still forbids abortion, as abortion is murder.

Lets suppose I have love for the mothers situation as well?

True Story (My wife is a teacher): A 12 year old girl is raped by her mothers boyfriend, and he goes to jail. Does the mother consult with you on the fate of her daughters pregnancy? Now she has two children to raise without dads support. Is the pregnant child financially and emotionally stable enough to raise the baby? Physically capable of having the baby? Whose decision is this one?

True Story: A girl get crippling arthritis at age 14 and uses a wheelchair for the rest of her life. One hand is still useful. If she gets pregnant, who decides what?

True Story: a girl has spinal cancer when born and an immediate operation leaves her mostly paralyzed for life. If she gets pregnant after she gets married, who decides what? You? (She recently passed away)
 
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Sorry, but you have failed to show that God's law is abrogated by human laws. God's word stands forever and none of His statutes fail. What God called sin in the Bible is still a sin today. Murder is still a sin and abortion is murder.

That's for me to decide now.

2 Corinthians 3:1-18
Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some do, letters of recommendation to you, or from you? You yourselves are our letter of recommendation, written on our hearts, to be known and read by all. And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts

And you are not qualified to judge the hearts of others:

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”
 
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Covenant and law are not the same.

God isn't giving a new law. The Old and New Covenants are not old and new laws. They are different ways of administering the same law. So God's law may exist under a new covenant, but that does not abrogate the law. It is simply applied to our lives in a different manner. You need to learn the difference between covenant and law.

And you need to stop trying to justify murder.

Murder is defined by the law in my heart. You can't see inside.

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”
 
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You need to learn the difference between covenant and law.

The Old Covenant is following the law written in ink or stone to gain salvation.
Under Grace, the law is in our hearts for those who trust Jesus to judge without error.
 
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The NT is written on the foundation of the Torah and does not abrogate the moral standards of the Torah.

Enjoy your salvation! Best of Luck!

Believe in Yahweh as the Only Source of Power in the Universe. (Exodus 20:2)
Submit to Yahweh as the Supreme Head, to be in unity with Yahweh. (Deuteronomy 6:4)
Love Yahweh with all your heart, soul, and might. (Deuteronomy 6:5)
Reverence Yahweh by Keeping His Laws. (Deuteronomy 6:12-13, 25)
Serve Yahweh. (Exodus 23:25)
Hold fast to Yahweh. (Deuteronomy 10:20)
Taking an oath by Yahweh's Name. (Deuteronomy 6:13)
Walk in Yahweh's ways. (Deuteronomy 28:9)
Sanctify Yahweh's Name. (Leviticus 22:32)
Read (study and meditate on) the Book of the Law. (Deuteronomy 6:7)
Teach the Book of the Law to our children. (Deuteronomy 6:7)
Bind the Law upon our hands. (Deuteronomy 6:8)
Bind (write) the Law upon our minds. (Deuteronomy 6:8)
Make tzitzit on the corners of the tallits. (Numbers 15:38-40)
Preach and publish Yahweh's Law. (Deuteronomy 6:9)
Gather for the reading of the Law every seventh year. (Deuteronomy 31:10-13)
A king must acquire and apply the Book of the Law. (Deuteronomy 17:18-20)
Acquire the Book of the Law. (Deuteronomy 31:19)
Be thankful to Yahweh in prayer, praise, and deed. (Deuteronomy 8:10)
 
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So do you wish those early church martyrs should've just sucked it up and did a few rituals for the pagan gods? Maybe they should've kept their religion hidden if it caused so much hostility. It's the loving thing to do right?

God put His commandments into our hearts. What is right for your situation is different from mine. That is why we are not qualified to judge the actions of others.

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”
 
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God put His commandments into our hearts. What is right for your situation is different from mine. That is why we are not qualified to judge the actions of others.

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”
Hi Sky, the Lord teaches us otherwise, that we 'are' qualified to judge the words/actions of others, since He commands us to do so. Of course, He told us that whenever we judge others, we are to do so rightly, that we need to seek and understand the truth so that we can make proper/righteous judgments.

John 7
24 “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

Yours and His,
David
 
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Hi Sky, the Lord teaches us otherwise, that we 'are' qualified to judge the words/actions of others, since He commands us to do so. Of course, He told us that whenever we judge others, we are to do so rightly, that we need to seek and understand the truth so that we can make proper/righteous judgments.

John 7
24 “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

Yours and His,
David

How do you discern words and actions without looking at them?

So after examining the passages below on judging, how did you reach your conclusion?
It certainly included some painful gymnastics:

Leviticus 19:15
"You must not pervert justice; you must not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the rich; you are to judge your neighbor fairly.

Deuteronomy 1:16
At that time I charged your judges: "Hear the disputes between your brothers, and judge fairly between a man and his brother or a foreign resident.

Isaiah 11:3
And He will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what His eyes see, and He will not decide by what His ears hear,

John 8:15
You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one.

2 Corinthians 5:16
So from now on we regard no one according to the flesh. Although we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.

John 12:47
As for anyone who hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

2 Corinthians 10:7
You are looking at outward appearances. If anyone is confident that he belongs to Christ, he should remind himself that we belong to Christ just as much as he does.

James 2:4
have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?

Luke 6:37
“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

Matthew 7:1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Romans 2:3
Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?

James 4:11-12
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

Matthew 7:5
You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

James 1:26
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.

James 4:11
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.

Romans 2:1-3
Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?

Romans 12:3
For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.

John 8:7
And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”

James 4:12
There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

So you toss these passages just so you can save the one about judging the poor rightly?
 
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Hi Sky, the Lord teaches us otherwise, that we 'are' qualified to judge the words/actions of others, since He commands us to do so. Of course, He told us that whenever we judge others, we are to do so rightly, that we need to seek and understand the truth so that we can make proper/righteous judgments.

John 7
24 “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

Yours and His,
David

Treating the poor with "righteous judgment" is covered in a couple places regarding favoritism for the wealthy.
 
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Hi Sky, the Lord teaches us otherwise, that we 'are' qualified to judge the words/actions of others,

We be not qualified:

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”
 
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Yeah he/she isn't saved AT ALL.

So not even halfway saved then. 1/3 perhaps.



John 7:24
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

Luke 6:37
“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

Matthew 7:1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Romans 2:3
Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?

James 4:11-12
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?
 
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You be the judge:

1 Peter 2:13-17
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.

Titus 3:1
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,

and now:
New York State Assembly Passes Third Trimester Abortion Bill

Being subject to does not mean to castrate your belief. John 15:19.
 
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Holy cow -
Is this guy still trolling?

The question has been answered a hundred times and even stretched a bit to show what is right from what is wrong according to the scriptures.

Does God allow abortions? Yes - God allows abortions - just like He allows holocausts.

Does God hate abortions? Yes - God hates abortions - just like He hates holocausts.

Does God expect His children to stand against sins like those when ever and where ever they can do so within the system they are living under? Yes - God expects His children to be lights in the world.

Game/set/match.
 
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You be the judge:

1 Peter 2:13-17
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.

Titus 3:1
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,

and now:
New York State Assembly Passes Third Trimester Abortion Bill
Since the Bible is particularly silent on the subject, so shall I.
 
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Hi Sky, the Lord teaches us otherwise, that we 'are' qualified to judge the words/actions of others, since He commands us to do so. Of course, He told us that whenever we judge others, we are to do so rightly, that we need to seek and understand the truth so that we can make proper/righteous judgments.

John 7
24 “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

Yours and His,
David

Does this sound similar?

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees:
man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”

Is this on the topic?

Jeremiah 17
“I the Lord search the heart and test the mind, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.”

Hebrews 4,12
For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

So the reason you are not qualified to judge anyone other than yourself, is that you can only see the outside appearance and not the heart or the entire future of his efforts or intentions.
 
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