Does Autism come from the devil?

Larniavc · Feb 21, 2017

Muslim-UK said:
Autism is down to either; chemicals in the food chain, possible side effects from immunisations given to children, or hereditary.

Evidence please.

Larniavc · Feb 21, 2017

Clintos said:
I already told the pastor and he was nice about it. it's something that I can not hide and pretend to be neurotypical.

If you have to hide it from people then they are bad people.

SeventyOne · Feb 21, 2017

Clintos said:
I am against what my church advocates in terms that I am not social and lack empathy. This I think is what I need to learn and so far they have been accommodating and very nice I like it there. But we have a lot of different beliefs right off the bat and I need to just go with their flow and try not to open my mouth too much or I feel they may ask me to leave.

Not sure if that is a sign that it's the right church because they have what I am missing, or if I should go with my heart of heart and that is to love the neighbour but still lock the door at night to keep evil people out.

You have to be careful about leaving a church simply because you disagree with them on some things. It's those times you have to ask yourself why there is a disagreement. There is a good possibility that you are in the wrong on some things as well. One needs to examine closely why they believe what they believe and the reasoning behind it as well as its foundation in scripture because they just might be right.

A real danger in leaving a church just because they don't conform to the beliefs we bring in there with us is that if we are ones in error and we find a like-minded congregation given over to the same error, then we are likely doomed to live our lives in ignorance.

All4Christ · Feb 21, 2017

Larnievc said:
Good grief, man. What kind of a question is that?

Is this what Christians in the 21st century really believe?

This is a VERY poor advert for Christianity.

If it was not so sadly shocking it would hilarious.

Christianity doesn't teach that. Unfortunately, some who claim to be Christians believe some very hurtful beliefs. However, this is like all of humanity no matter what religion (or lack of religion) that a person claims to follow. I'd say that not all who claim to be Christian actually are Christians, though it isn't my place to judge the salvation of individual persons.

No one at my parish promotes the beliefs shown in the video the OP included. I've mainly seen things like this online. I did meet a person who said this at a different church I used to attend. I don't go there now, though there were many reasons for why I left.

Clintos · Feb 21, 2017

Larnievc said:
If you have to hide it from people then they are bad people.

True I am conflicted about telling employers and or school about it. I am not employed yet, but plan to be someday. I am seeing a councilor for employment on where they are going to try to find employment for me. I am unsure if I should just lay my cards on the table and tell employers about it or wait until after I get in?

Not everyone is accepting of people like me. That's the thing.

Larniavc · Feb 21, 2017

Clintos said:
True I am conflicted about telling employers and or school about it. I am not employed yet, but plan to be someday. I am seeing a councilor for employment on where they are going to try to find employment for me. I am unsure if I should just lay my cards on the table and tell employers about it or wait until after I get in?

Not everyone is accepting of people like me. That's the thing.

I dunno what it's like in your country but in the U.K. there anti discrimination laws so it's best to be upfront with prospective employers.

Good luck in your job hunting!

All4Christ · Feb 21, 2017

Larnievc said:
I dunno what it's like in your country but in the U.K. there anti discrimination laws so it's best to be upfront with prospective employers.

Good luck in your job hunting!

Same here in the USA. Disability Discrimination

https://askjan.org/media/downloads/ASDA&CSeries.pdf

Muslim-UK · Feb 21, 2017

Clintos said:
Thanks, I am hoping to lead a healthy productive life. And I wanted to know that there are people out there that look at it as something to be accepted.

There's lots of Autistic people out there, and it's well documented to the point almost everyone knows someone on the autistic spectrum.

Clintos said:
But at the same time I want to fight it like it is a disease. I am conflicted on whether I should pray about it and ask for deliverance, or to embrace it?

Were you born Autistic?

Clintos said:
Should I be proud and tell my church about it? or should I keep a tight lip? it's something that control my life along with schizo-affective disorder, agoraphobia, ADHD should I just be honest with everyone?

No Church or community will shun you, they probably won't even know beyond you not making much eye contact, keeping yourself to yourself, social isolation of sorts. It's good that you have the confidence to want to join Church services and interact with Society. For all intents and purposes you will appear pretty much like a shy kind of guy.

Clintos said:
I already told the pastor and he was nice about it. it's something that I can not hide and pretend to be neurotypical.

Nothing to hide, you're worrying unnecessarily and the Pastor's reaction is confirmation of this.

Clintos said:
What about war past down through generations, can making war with one another cause peoples dna to alter? and maybe cause birth defects.

I wouldn't have thought so. If one of your parents was Autistic, then genetics shows you have a higher chance of inheriting it.

Muslim-UK · Feb 21, 2017

Larnievc said:
Evidence please.

Likely weak, but I do recall looking into it 10 years or so ago:
http://www.ageofautism.com/the-vaccine-autism-link.html

Larniavc · Feb 21, 2017

Muslim-UK said:
Likely weak, but I do recall looking into it 10 years or so ago:
The Vaccine Autism Link

They are just claims.

It sounds like the rubbish Andrew 'shill for business' Wakefield was touting in the early 2000s.

That was before his work was roundly debunked as fraudulent and struck off the medical register (no longer able to work as a medical doctor as a result of his fraudulent research).

Vaccines do not cause autism: it is largely genetic.

Paidiske · Feb 21, 2017

I'm not sure about genetic as opposed to developmental (in utero), but it sure ain't caused by vaccines. I wish everyone making that claim would have it removed for providing inaccurate medical information.

OP, my daughter has autism. (She is five). I cherish her as a beloved child of God, no less than any other human being. I teach her to pray, as best I can, the same as I would a child without autism. I believe God delights in her prayers no less than anyone else's.

I think there is a place for praying that people might grow in areas of weakness; and for people with autism, that might include areas shaped by their autism. That's not quite the same as deliverance, but it is a sort of healing.

FireDragon76 · Feb 21, 2017

I actually have high functioning autism. As our atheist friend said, it's hard to believe somebody in the 21st century would believe that autism is demonic.

I wouldn't say I lack empathy. People with autism are not sociopathic. I'd say I feel too much, to the point it can be overwhelming, even numbing. We just are different and have trouble understanding "the rules". We have to learn them explicitly and it's like a second language.

As I get older and I've gotten some social skills training it's gotten easier to interact with people and understand the rules, even if they often seem silly to me, I can understand why people do them. But I still need a lot of downtime, I'm very introverted. In another lifetime I would have just become a monk, because I like that kind of life of quiet and prayer, but I wasn't raised in that kind of tradition (Methodist).

FireDragon76 · Feb 21, 2017

Clintos said:
But at the same time I want to fight it like it is a disease. I am conflicted on whether I should pray about it and ask for deliverance, or to embrace it?

Accept that it is who you are. This is very important for your mental health. Never let anybody tell you that you are "broken", never be ashamed of who you are. Appreciate the gifts you have and don't let people put you down for being who you are.

A great film to watch is the one about Temple Grandin. It's something positive to watch about autism and can make you yourself as an autistic person appreciate your own potential more. I also think its noteworthy unlike alot of autistic people, she is a religious person: she's Episcopalian. I think that sort of film could help alot of people appreciate the unique gifts that somebody with autism can bring to the world. Being normal is overrated sometimes, being able to perfectly relate to animals is a lot cooler. It is a unique perspective on the world. Diversity is a good thing.

Should I be proud and tell my church about it? or should I keep a tight lip? it's something that control my life along with schizo-affective disorder, agoraphobia, ADHD should I just be honest with everyone?

Those other labels can be explained by autism, believe me. Attention problems are common in autism. The same is true of agoraphobia, it is something that is common, esp. when you are having a meltdown or are overwhelmed by stimulation (sunglasses help me there too).

I already told the pastor and he was nice about it. it's something that I can not hide and pretend to be neurotypical.

Last sunday it was my birthday and the old ladies ganged up on me but one of them chided me for not smiling enough. Well, I was really tired (I'm not a morning person some days, and something about organs sometimes leave me in a daze) and I can't do the Minnesota Nice thing and wear a fake smile. So sometimes it does cause problems. Nobody at church knows about it, I don't talk about it alot openly. I don't want to be known as special or disabled.

FireDragon76 · Feb 21, 2017

We often misunderstand Jesus healing ministry. It was not primarily about fixing people and making them normal, it was about ministering to people who had been made outcasts in his culture and removing the barriers they faced to belonging and acceptance.

FireDragon76 · Feb 21, 2017

One last thing, I don't believe that autism is caused by vaccines. I believe it is partly genetic in my own case(both my parents are very detail oriented and unemotional, and socially introverted).

What might help is changing your diet, and there's evidence that can help some people with autism because people with autism have more digestive problems typically. Probiotics have also been found useful clinically.

PROPHECYKID · Feb 21, 2017

FireDragon76 said:
One last thing, I don't believe that autism is caused by vaccines. I believe it is partly genetic in my own case(both my parents are very detail oriented and unemotional, and socially introverted).

What might help is changing your diet, and there's evidence that can help some people with autism because people with autism have more digestive problems typically. Probiotics have also been found useful clinically.

It cannot be genetic. Autism rates have skyrocketed over the last 20 years. New genes have not been invented. So it really can't be an issue with genes because genes have not changed over the past 20 years. Now look at this.

"Autistic disorder change points years are coincident with introduction of vaccines manufactured using human fetal cell lines, containing fetal and retroviral contaminants, into childhood vaccine regimens. This pattern was repeated in the US, UK, Western Australia and Denmark. Thus, rising autistic disorder prevalence is directly related to vaccines manufactured utilizing human fetal cells. Increased paternal age and DSM revisions were not related to rising autistic disorder prevalence."
- Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology
Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology - impact of environmental factors on the prevalence of autistic disorder after 1979

"All these findings plausibly implicate Al adjuvants in pediatric vaccines as causal factors contributing to increased rates of autism spectrum disorders in countries where multiple doses are almost universally administered."
- Journal of Toxicology
Aluminum-Induced Entropy in Biological Systems: Implications for Neurological Disease

“Additionally, a new syndrome has been reported in children with autism who exhibited developmental regression and gastrointestinal symptoms (autistic enterocolitis), in some cases soon after MMR vaccine. The sequences obtained from the patients with ulcerative colitis and children with autism were consistent with being vaccine strains. The results were concordant with the exposure history of the patients. Persistence of measles virus was confirmed in PBMC in some patients with chronic intestinal inflammation.”
Detection and Sequencing of Measles Virus from Peripheral Mononuclear Cells from Patients with Inflammatory Bowel Disease and Autism
Digestive Diseases and Sciences, 2000, Hisashi Kawashima, Takayuki Mori, Yasuyo Kashiwagi, Kouji Takekuma

FireDragon76 · Feb 21, 2017

More awareness leads to more diagnoses. Growing up, nobody told me I was autistic. Because my parents didn't pick up on it because they have some of the traits too. People just thought I was different. Maybe once a counsellor tried to talk to my parents about something she picked up on, but they were far too defensive to listen.

Paidiske · Feb 21, 2017

I look at my daughter now, and I realise that if I were a child today, teachers would be recommending that I be assessed for a developmental disorder such as autism. But back in the eighties (and before) that level of awareness/prompting wasn't there.

I don't think we have more autism now than we used to. I think it is more readily recognised and diagnosed than it used to be.

And genes certainly have changed over the last twenty years. Look at cancer, which is unambiguously a genetic disease (by which I mean that it is dysregulation of genes which causes cancerous growth). The rates are much higher today than they were even in living memory. There are all sorts of reasons why, but it shows that we do see changing rates of genetic health problems.

The suggestion that vaccines correlate with autism levels has been thoroughly debunked. The original claims rested on faked data.

Vaccines save countless lives and it is irresponsible to spread misinformation which may discourage parents from vaccinating.

PROPHECYKID · Feb 21, 2017

FireDragon76 said:
More awareness leads to more diagnoses. Growing up, nobody told me I was autistic. Because my parents didn't pick up on it because they have some of the traits too. People just thought I was different. Maybe once a counsellor tried to talk to my parents about something she picked up on, but they were far too defensive to listen.

I understand your point but then why are autism rates projected to increase in the future. It is projected that about 40% - 50% of all children will have autism. I can't remember by what year they had this projection for. If it was just a matter of awareness this couldn't be the case. As aware as someone is about a particular condition, you can't make someone sick if they arent so as some point it can't be about the awareness once there is a constant increase.

Paidiske · Feb 21, 2017

Source for that claim, PK?

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