Does Autism come from the devil?

[Clintos]

It's like flint Michigans tainted water. There are going to be long term effect in the future because of it and vaccine are man made so there can be mistakes done. I was born in 79, not sure of what vaccines I was given?If any!

 

[Joshua_5]

They are just claims.

It sounds like the rubbish Andrew 'shill for business' Wakefield was touting in the early 2000s.

That was before his work was roundly debunked as fraudulent and struck off the medical register (no longer able to work as a medical doctor as a result of his fraudulent research).

Vaccines do not cause autism: it is largely genetic.

Ha, ha. So you claim there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism, then when someone shows it, you call their evidence fraud and take away their licence/s? Ha, ha, ha. No wonder vaccinators have absolutely no credibility with people who can still think.

 

[Joshua_5]

We do know that vaccines have saved lives. We do indeed have vaccinated and unvaccinated groups, and we can see which groups the illnesses continue to circulate in (hint: it's not the vaccinated groups). We don't have to set it up that way; relative wealth and poverty does it for us. The epidemiological basis for vaccination is very soundly established.

As my mother - who trained as a nurse in Africa and did some work in the sorts of poverty-stricken areas where people don't get basic healthcare like vaccines - has told me, nobody who's actually seen what happens when diseases ravage unvaccinated communities would ever question their value.

Here are some facts to refute that fairy tale.

Smallpox deaths reduced from 3708 per decade to 1 per decade between 1881 and 1941, after child vaccination rates drop from 96.5% to 39.9%.

In 1929 (4 years after the diphtheria vaccine was introduced), the Journal of the American Medical Association conducted a survey in which physicians were asked about the diphtheria vaccine and serum therapy. More than 1200 doctors participated. "Over 90 percent of them stated that they do not favor or use it or consider the injection of vaccine a satisfactory method of treatment. The reactions were too severe and the deaths and permanent disability were too frequent to justify its use." March 16, 1929.

Between 1923, and 1953, before the Salk vaccine was introduced, the polio death rate in the US and England had already decreased by 47 and 55%. In 1955, "polio" was redefined, so one cannot prove whether "polio" cases after this were reduced by the vaccine, the re-definition of the disease, or simply continued to decrease as they had prior to the introduction of the vaccine.

From 1915 to 1958, before the measles vaccine was introduced, the measles death rate in the US and Great Britain had already declined on its own by 98%.

Congenital rubella syndrome cases increased more than double in the decade after the rubella vaccine was introduced in 1969.

In the safety study used to evaluate the safety of the Rotarix vaccine, vaccinated babies died at a statistically significant increased rate compared to the unvaccinated babies (18.5/10000 vs 14.5/10000).

From 1900 to 1935, before the vaccine was introduced, the death rate from pertussis in the US and England had declined on its own by 79 and 82 percent.

 

[Paidiske]

If you're going to make claims like that, you'd better cite sources.

Even so, I simply don't believe it. My first degree was in immunology. I've vaccinated animals and measured the response myself. I know that it works, and I know how it works. I'm the wrong person to be trying to peddle this kind of pseudoscience to.

 

[Joshua_5]

Believe what you want. The facts are facts and science is science. You testing for a response in vaccinated animals is not testing them for the diseases or harm the vaccinations will cause, nor how many animals will die sooner as a result of the vaccination. If you really understood what science is, and weren't involved in peddling pseudoscience yourself (no matter how ignorantly), you wouldn't need me to tell you this.

 

[Clintos]

Can you see me now?









Oceans beauty in my living room these are rare species, I am going to attempt someday to keep alive both the coral, worms and the seahorse. And some day possibly breed and sell.

Can you imagine the micro evolution involved with these creatures?

 

[coryseesstars]

Lately I seen a lot of vids on youtube mentioning that people with autism should have a exorcsim. Is this what all Christians perspective is, or can one live with autism and serve God?

Should autism be fought or accepted in the Christian community?

I want to first point out I am new to the forums and I am here specifically for the Aspergers+Christian group. As someone who is struggling with her faith due to pretty much everything that goes along with Aspergers and also a diagnosis of OCD, this is probably the worst first post I could of read. I realize you are just asking a question, the problem is mine. But one of my longstanding OCD areas has been with scrupilosity and so it's easy to see why this goes against my grain. I'm still trying to accept myself as I am and with all my differences, while trying to save the the little bit of faith I have left. Anyone who things autism is from the devil, needs to realize they are not speaking life over that person. It's poisonous and dangerous and even reading the question alone has upset me.

Good topic, I just wish I hadn't read this first.

 

[Clintos]

I want to first point out I am new to the forums and I am here specifically for the Aspergers+Christian group. As someone who is struggling with her faith due to pretty much everything that goes along with Aspergers and also a diagnosis of OCD, this is probably the worst first post I could of read. I realize you are just asking a question, the problem is mine. But one of my longstanding OCD areas has been with scrupilosity and so it's easy to see why this goes against my grain. I'm still trying to accept myself as I am and with all my differences, while trying to save the the little bit of faith I have left. Anyone who things autism is from the devil, needs to realize they are not speaking life over that person. It's poisonous and dangerous and even reading the question alone has upset me.

Good topic, I just wish I hadn't read this first.

Hi, deep down imo I do not believe that autism is from the devil. but sometimes I feel like I do not have emotions and this make me feel unchristian. But deep down I have emotions it just hard to express.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Lately I seen a lot of vids on youtube mentioning that people with autism should have a exorcsim. Is this what all Christians perspective is, or can one live with autism and serve God?

Should autism be fought or accepted in the Christian community?

A lot of disease, sickness, and healing is in the BIBLE.

Like all problems, (INCLUDING AGING(old people's arthritis, dementia, heart troubles, diabetes) , it is because of mankind's curse) ,
and it is not because of a person's sin.

Even if it rarely happens ( < shrugs > how often? look online )
JESUS can heal autism as easily as JESUS can heal cancer, a cold, a headache, or a dead person. (Remember, HE did; HE is the healer, whenever there is a true healing).
There's no righteous person on earth, anywhere , doing exorcisms. (as JESUS says: beware the leaven of the pharisees; the fake actors in life, the hypocrites).

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

No, the human body doesn't work that way. Birth defects are most times caused by deficiencies in crucial nutrients during the development of the baby. In order for chromosomes to properly form and intertwine you need nutrients and any break in the long chain can cause issues in the developing baby.

Yes, both during pregnancy , and later... (after delivery)

(not just 'birth defects' as if autism is one, but also simple weaknessess in the nutrition or the immune system throughout life - at any age)

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

QUOTE="Clintos, post: 71053282, member: 395042"]Can you see me now?









Oceans beauty in my living room these are rare species, I am going to attempt someday to keep alive both the coral, worms and the seahorse. And some day possibly breed and sell. ...[/QUOTE

These creatures that GOD the CREATOR created are most beautiful and awesome , like all of HIS CREATION !

 

[AspieforGod]

Well that was a bit of a shock to hear, very sad.
It is certainly not my opinion on the loose authority of being a disciple of God for most of my life and an autistic. I believe you can live with autism and serve God and see my negative autism traits like meltdowns and shutdowns as opportunities to lean on God and ask for help. If anything I think this affliction humbles me more than I'd be without it.

Autism especially classic male autism is still misunderstood, stigmatised and scares those not used to it on a daily basis. It can be seen as demonic by the uneducated similar to how in Christ's day people thought epilepsy was. I don't believe true Christians can be possessed by Satan or any of his minions it goes against Scripture and Jesus saying none can be taken from him, perhaps I am taking the verse out of it's original context and maybe someone else can provide Scripture that is more appropriate but I personally take comfort from knowing and living a deeply rich and close relationship with the Holy Trinity and don't view my mild autism as a stumbling block. Everyone is different, every situation is different, this kind of thing cannot be generalised.

As for the Christian community at large I think greater compassion, patience, kindness and prayers will be more powerful than scaremongering.

Lately I seen a lot of vids on youtube mentioning that people with autism should have a exorcsim. Is this what all Christians perspective is, or can one live with autism and serve God?

Should autism be fought or accepted in the Christian community?

 

[Susan Swanger Zipf]

Lately I seen a lot of vids on youtube mentioning that people with autism should have a exorcsim. Is this what all Christians perspective is, or can one live with autism and serve God?

Should autism be fought or accepted in the Christian community?

I'm trying really hard not to be offended by the idea. You may as well ask "Is Down's syndrome caused my demons?" "Is hydrocephalus caused by demons?" Or any other genetic abnormality.

I have three autistic sons. After extensive testing, it was discovered that two of the three are missing a portion of one of the 22nd chromosomes. That lack always belongs to someone who is either desperately depressed, schizophrenic, or autistic. My husband and I both have one of our 22nd genes missing the same portion. So each one got one good 22nd chromosome, and one with a missing portion. By the way, my husband has Asperger's, and I have had major depression since before I went to Kindergarten.

My older son got both of our missing gene-chromosome. His Autism is much more profound. These issues are genetic a genetic mutation, passed from parent to child, NOT a demonic attack, any more than red hair or long fingers.

I know there are demons. I've seen them, both in person and in visions. They have more urgent matters than to cause a disorder that we caused ourselves with thousands of generations of sin. You can't see demons around every corner.

Let's not give the enemy more credit than he deserves, shall we?

 

[Gnarwhal]

Lately I seen a lot of vids on youtube mentioning that people with autism should have a exorcsim. Is this what all Christians perspective is, or can one live with autism and serve God?

Should autism be fought or accepted in the Christian community?

Common knowledge: YouTube isn't an authoritative source for anything. That's the equivalent of putting a sign up to let shmuck off the street come in and be head chef in your restaurant.

There was a long time user on here who was very open about his life with Aspergers (which is considered a variation of Autism, last I checked), and he's a very Godly man. So short answer: yes a person on the autism spectrum can be a faithful servant of God.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

There used to be an international company with some presence in the usa,
who had ways of measuring and adjusting genetic load (I don't know if that's what they called it or not - it was many years ago, but it 'fits' context here).
They proved genetic load was receptive (helped usually) by particular
substances when provided to the body and assimilated.
Even young babies with prosobee 21? (something like that) when
helped early enough would live to be twenty years old instead of dying before 2 or 3 years old,
AND ,
unexpectedly, sometimes their missing chromosomes were no longer missing!

And so on -
well, this did not fit the medical model in the untied states, so that company left and did not come back.... and no one has stepped in the gap since then,
except of course by prayer.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm trying really hard not to be offended by the idea. You may as well ask "Is Down's syndrome caused my demons?" "Is hydrocephalus caused by demons?" Or any other genetic abnormality.

I am an Aspie who has been involved in deliverance ministry. Demons can (and have) induce physical conditions, but it's best to rule out natural causes, first.

As I have stated elsewhere in this thread, I don't believe Aspergers to be demonic, generally, but I wouldn't be so ready to defend many co-morbid conditions.

 

[huskcrow]

So trying not to rage right now. I have autism and no, it does not come from e devil. Ridiculous and just honestly very stupid to think that. I blame Autismy $peaks for all the fearmongering.

 

[Sabertooth]

@huskcrow , most of us who have replied to this thread are on the spectrum. I believe that the OP's intent was introspective, not misautistic. If you have ever been exposed to deliverance ministry, it is a fair consideration (and by no means intended to be an insult).

That being said, I believe that all of the evidence points to autism being an intentional design feature on God's part (as opposed to a demonic manifestation), but we can use deliverance in other areas of our lives, just like anyone else can. (And that's an experience that I highly recommend, where prescribed.)

 

[huskcrow]

@huskcrow , most of us who have replied to this thread are on the spectrum. I believe that the OP's intent was introspective, not misautistic. If you have ever been exposed to deliverance ministry, it is a fair consideration (and by no means intended to be an insult).

That being said, I believe that all of the evidence points to autism being an intentional design feature on God's part (as opposed to a demonic manifestation), but we can use deliverance in other areas of our lives, just like anyone else can. (And that's an experience that I highly recommend, where prescribed.)

I did come off pretty harsh so OP I apologize. I have not ever heard of deliverance ministry but I'lll see if my parish has something like it. I'lll research it too.

My mum used to autism a curse and that I was not fully intellectually aware to understand anything she said. Luckily she has changed her tune.

And I agree, uand having autism is not because of vaccines or other bull crap just what God intended

 

[Sabertooth]

...having autism is not because of vaccines...

I do not believe that vaccines cause autism, either, but there is mounting evidence that some vaccines may cause problems for those of us who are born autistic already.