I never said it was thousands. Where did you get that idea?
1) Never said it was. Because your question was SO vague, I filled in my own details. Feel free to ask FAR more pointed questions to get a more specific answer.
2) If the entire "msm" is manipulating me, and if all the climate scientists, and all the doctors and epidemiologists, and FBI agents, ALL those people Trump tried to demonize, were doing the same. That is likely considerably MORE than thousands. But even JUST the MSM, there could be thousands too.
Now to your question. How do I know I am not being manipulated by Trump? Because I don't view him as a savior, like some do. I take everything he says with a grain of salt, like I do for everyone, unless I personally know and trust them. I like Trump, because many of his views line up with mine, and he fights for them. But I don't blindly follow him. He does and says things I don't agree with. The only "person" you could say I blindly follow is Jesus Christ. I will follow whatever Jesus says without questioning. I always question Trump, just like I do everyone else.
I would posit that "just because you don't view him as a savior" it does not, alone mean you aren't being manipulated. That attitude certainly makes it MORE likely that you would be manipulated but it isn't necessary to be manipulated.
On the other hand, you it may just mean you are being manipulated unsuccessfully because "you are willing to question him". Now, I don't know what that looks like on a day to day because I can't recall how you reacted to the particularly egregious examples of gaslighting Trump participated in. I also haven't heard how you justify his tens of thousands of lies he's told throughout his presidency.
So you're not interested in one of the methods of deprogramming you advocated? Okay.
Uhmmm....you may need to help me out. Sorry: What method of "deprogramming" did I advocate and could you quote me? BEcause I did write.....
Post 174 I think....I wrote:
To be clear, I'm not necessarily keen on "deprogramming" the way it has been presented in terms of it being forceful.
You are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying I wouldn't try to get them out. I would. But I will not force them. The choice must be theirs. God always gives us a choice, and I believe we must do the same.
Okay. Fair enough. I feel I understand you better now
Depending on the danger, I would take some pretty big steps. I would absolutely kidnap my kid and drive very very far away to deal with them FAR away from the problem.
I think the idea of "force them" can mean very different things. I can't FORCE someone to change their mind, but I can provide a forced context that makes it more likely they will change their mind.
Personally, I think those two situations are very different.
I have talked with them. I don't know if that's considered working with them.
I still believe it isn't necessary.
But maybe we are referring to different things. Could you make your case again for what is necessary and why it is?
So on one occasion, we had a client who was going through a terrible time. He was convinced that there were people who in the basement who wanted to kill him (spoiler: There wasn't anyone down there). Because he believed they were down there, we went down with him (though he only made it to the bottom of the stairs). I went through the 3 basement rooms with him being able to see into each room. He could see (like me) that nobody was there.
And yet he was certain someone was there.
In this case, what would be the SHARED accepted facts of the matter would be that there was nobody in the basement based on our shared observation. He SAW it. I SAW it. We both saw who was there (nobody) but he was STILL convinced someone there was going to kill him.
If we can't agree that there is nobody in the basement based on our shared observation, how can I convince him that there was nobody there (let ALONE somebody there who was trying to kill him)? I cannot. His dilusions have a stronger hold on him than what his senses (reality) were telling him.
I hope that is a little clearer.
I don't know. I was replying to you?
