Do you want to see Intelligent Design taught in universities and schools?

[DennisTate]

Sure thing:

Teach a literal six-day creation as spelled out in Genesis 1 of the King James Bible.

Are you personally open to the idea that those six days may have been to fix up some.... .of the possible damage done by a revolt of one third of the angels led by former Covering Cherub Lucifer?

 

[lesliedellow]

Sure thing:

Teach a literal six-day creation as spelled out in Genesis 1 of the King James Bible.

Teach obscurantism, and the gentle art of burying ones head in the sand? I would steer well clear of any university who had that in its Faculty of Science.

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you personally open to the idea that those six days may have been to fix up some.... .of the possible damage done by a revolt of one third of the angels led by former Covering Cherub Lucifer?

No.

When the earth was created on Day One, Lucifer rejoiced.

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

 

[AV1611VET]

Teach obscurantism, and the gentle art of burying ones head in the sand?

No.

Teach Creationism as spelled out in Genesis 1.

I would steer well clear of any university who had that in its Faculty of Science.

So would I.

Creationism is history, not science.

Genesis 1 does not contain one lick of science.

That means you guys can stop begging for evidence.

 

[lesliedellow]

Genesis 1 does not contain one lick of science.

We can agree about that at least.

That means you guys can stop begging for evidence.

Does "you guys" that include the historians? Although they rely mostly upon documentary evidence, which they subject to critical analysis, I think you might find that they too would take some convincing that the overwhelming scientific consensus should simply be ignored.

 

[AV1611VET]

Does "you guys" that include the historians?

"You guys" means anyone who asks for evidence.

And for the record, anyone who presents it is suspect on my list.

 

[DennisTate]

No.

When the earth was created on Day One, Lucifer rejoiced.

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

My explanation for that verse would be that Lucifer and his angels originally rejoiced perhaps as long ago as 4.5 billion years or so.....(but it might have been merely millions...... that information is above my Security Clearance Level)....... but then he became predatory by a number of millions of years ago as we see the progression of the dinosaurs into being more and more violent.

I suspect that the shift in the nature of pre-historic animals on earth may have reflected the nature of the shift that Lucifer / Satan and his angels were going through?

 

[DennisTate]

We can agree about that at least.




Does "you guys" that include the historians? Although they rely mostly upon documentary evidence, which they subject to critical analysis, I think you might find that they too would take some convincing that the overwhelming scientific consensus should simply be ignored.

Scientists have been known to be less than totally objective and honest on occasion.

I promoted the alternative theory on climate stabilization during my 2008 campaign and it seems that it could not be looked at objectively due to it not being fully in line with what Mr. Al Gore was teaching.

www.BankingSystemsFlaws.blogspot.ca/

Carl Cantrell.

"So how is our problem of continental drying causing global warming? It all has to do with vegetation and sunlight. When sun light hits a plant, it causes a process which we call photosynthesis where the energy from the sun light creates oxygen for us to breathe, water for us to drink, and is stored as sugar for plants and animals to use. When the same sun light hits the soil, all of its energy turns into heat and is radiated back into the atmosphere.. ."

"Therefore, the less vegetation you have on the planet, the more sunlight is being turned into heat and the warmer the planet becomes...."

"Just take a look at any satellite picture of the earth showing heat and you will see that our deserts are the warmest spots on the planet by far. More heat is being generated by just one of the top four or five deserts than by all of our cities combined.... "

"The truth is that you can do more to decrease global warming by just reducing the average temperature for the Sahara Desert by one or two degrees than if we humans completely quit using fossil fuels and returned to the cave…."

"So, how would you start working to resolve this problem? Easy, cool the deserts and get some vegetation growing on them as soon as possible. But the method is much more complex than that. You have to use the prevailing trade winds in relation to the deserts to get the best results as quickly as possible and it will be extremely expensive…."

"Then we build desalination plants along the coast near these water sheds and pipe water to the tops or ridges of the water sheds…"

"We need to start working on this as soon as possible because, if the planet reaches a point to where it is warming faster than our technology can possibly stop or reverse this warming trend, then our planet is lost and all life will cease to exist on this planet within a relatively short period of time. We will need to start with the largest and hottest deserts because cooling them will have the greatest benefit in the least time (Global Warming II by biologist Carl Cantrell)."

Many scientists will be even less enthusiastic in recognizing what seems like the brilliant ideas on this put forward by Terry Lovell:

Tony Lovell on Soil Carbon: Putting Carbon Back Where It Belongs - In the Earth (TEDx video) - The Permaculture Research Institute

So why should I trust them to be objective when it comes to analyzing information that implies that we humans may well be a rather weak and technologically backward species in comparison to other races that could well be all around us in the higher invisible dimensions of space time indicated in String Theory?

"It was not until 1920 that the idea of linking electromagnetism and
gravity resurfaced. At that time a new theory of gravitation had been proposed by Albert Einstein (1879-1955), called the general theory of relativity. It was a replacement of Newton's theory, which had stood unchallenged since 1687. Inspired by Einstein's work, a young German mathematician named Theodore Kaluza was seized by a curious idea. The theory of relativity links space an time together to form a four-dimensional space-time continuum. What would happen, mused Kaluza, if general relativity were formulated in five rather than four dimensions? This is what Kaluza did, and to everyone's astonishment it was discovered that five-dimensional gravity obeys the same laws as
four-dimensional gravity as well as Maxwell's laws for the electromagnetic field. In other words, gravitation and electromagnetism are automatically unified in five dimensions, where electromagnetism is merely a component of gravity!"

The only drawback of the theory concerns the extra dimension. Why
don't we see it? An ingenious answer was provided by Oskar Klein. A
hosepipe viewed from afar looks like a wiggly line, i.e. one- dimensional.
However, on closer inspection it can be seen as a narrow tube. It is, in fact,
two-dimensional, and what was taken to be a point on the line is actually a
little circle going around the tube. In the same way, reasoned Klein, what we normally regard as a point in three dimensional space could in reality be a little circle going around a fourth space dimension. Thus Kaluza's extra
dimension might well exist, but be impossible to detect because it is closed
(circular) and rolled up to a very small circumference. In spite of
these bizarre overtones, it seems probable that in future a "theory of everything" will make use of the idea of unseen higher dimensions."
....

"Although nature manifests four distinct forces, physicists believe that
each may be part of a smaller number of more primitive forces. At high energy, the electromagnetic and weak forces appear to merge into a single "electroweak" force. Some "grand unified theories" suggest that a further amalgamation takes place between the electroweak and strong forces at as yet unattained energies. The most ambitious unification schemes envisage an amalgamation of all four forces into a single "superforce" at ultra-high levels of energy."
( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of Science)

The Dr. George Ritchie explanation for this seemed quite brilliant to my thinking. Well worth getting disfellowshipped from two churches for.

Dr. George Ritchie's Near-Death Experience

 

[SBC]

Do you want to see Intelligent Design taught in universities and schools?<----OP

It already IS "sadly" being taught in Universities and Schools.

I have NO Issue with University students, (who pay their OWN tuition) or Private Schools (who pay their OWN tuition) to learn about Intelligent Design as an OPTION in conflict with Gods Creation.

I have NO Issue with EXTRA Curricular programs - within the Public School System - for groups of students who want to form and participate in CLUBS - for theater ACTING - for sports SUPPORTERS - for Photography - etc. and Including;
for Creationism - for Intelligent Design -

And absolutely ANY parent who sends their child off to a Public schools SHOULD have a reasonable expectation their child will be TAUGHT a MAINSTREAM education in:
the Basics of Reading, Writing, Math, English, History, and Proven Science.

The EXTRAS - should be by CHOICE, "WITH" the parents Knowledge and Permission for their child to participate.

AFTER a child has been INTRODUCED to a TOPIC, "THEY" and "THEIR PARENTS" can decide to further the "INTRODUCTION" to become a Focused and Specific topic to be discussed and taught and believed.

People WHO DECIDE Creationism IS a topic "THEY" wish to focus on and believe -
Attend Seminaries - Churches - and receive TEACHING specific to THAT belief.

People WHO DECIDE Intelligent Design IS a topic "THEY" wish to focus on and believe -
Can ATTEND __________ Whoops - What is their Specific facilities called?

Why are they INVADING public schools and universities ?
Where are "their" specific facilities?

God Bless,
SBC

 

[CrystalDragon]

My explanation for that verse would be that Lucifer and his angels originally rejoiced perhaps as long ago as 4.5 billion years or so.....(but it might have been merely millions...... that information is above my Security Clearance Level)....... but then he became predatory by a number of millions of years ago as we see the progression of the dinosaurs into being more and more violent.

I suspect that the shift in the nature of pre-historic animals on earth may have reflected the nature of the shift that Lucifer / Satan and his angels were going through?

Lucifer. Is. Not. Satan. And. Never. Was.

I have lost count of how many times I've had to correct people on that who have clearly only read select verses of Isaiah 14 and hold onto preconceived notions.

 

[AV1611VET]

My explanation for that verse would be that Lucifer and his angels originally rejoiced perhaps as long ago as 4.5 billion years or so.....(but it might have been merely millions...... that information is above my Security Clearance Level)

That's okay. I was a Radioman in the Navy and had a Top Secret security clearance.

....... but then he became predatory by a number of millions of years ago as we see the progression of the dinosaurs into being more and more violent.

Then why was "the anointed cherub that covereth" mentioned as being in the Garden of Eden?

 

[DennisTate]

Teach obscurantism, and the gentle art of burying ones head in the sand? I would steer well clear of any university who had that in its Faculty of Science.

In my opinion a significant percentage of the scientific community are guilty of obscurantism when it comes to objectively looking at evidence that does not fit with their view that we humans...... may be one of the most intelligent and advanced species in the universe / multiverse.

An objective analysis of
1. The Law of Probability
2. String Theory
3. The Cyclic Model of the Universe
4. Near death experiencer research and other type of parapsychological testing
5. The Law of Complexity Consciousness
6. The Anthropic Principle and voila.......

the probability of we humans being the most powerful, technologically advanced species..... can be seen to be close to zero.......

Extra - dimensional "aliens, or angels, or Watchers" would almost certainly be more advanced than us in a number of important ways.

 

[AV1611VET]

Lucifer. Is. Not. Satan. And. Never. Was.

But. Satan. Was. Lucifer. At. One. Time.

 

[DennisTate]

Lucifer. Is. Not. Satan. And. Never. Was.

I have lost count of how many times I've had to correct people on that who have clearly only read select verses of Isaiah 14 and hold onto preconceived notions.

You could be right.... but Lucifer is A Satan, not necessarily The Satan.....
Azazel is another important fallen angel / Watcher that is mentioned in scripture.......

For all I know... Azazel could be more powerful than Lucifer but... according to the Book of Enoch it seems that Azazel and the Watchers / sons of G-d, did not fall until after the fall of Adam and Eve.

 

[DennisTate]

That's okay. I was a Radioman in the Navy and had a Top Secret security clearance.

Then why was "the anointed cherub that covereth" mentioned as being in the Garden of Eden?

The Book of Adam and Eve mentions that Satan.... had to almost take possession of a serpent... (that could have perhaps looked like a Raptor in Eden)...... in order to be able to speak to Eve.

One other possibility would be a higher dimensional Eden..... as opposed to the one on earth...... Again I don't know the final answer on that one either.

 

[AV1611VET]

You could be right....

No.

... but Lucifer is A Satan, not necessarily The Satan.....

Lucifer's name was changed to Satan; and to get God back, he started calling Jehovah, "Yahweh."

Azazel is another important fallen angel / Watcher that is mentioned in scripture.......

Not God's Scripture.

 

[DennisTate]

Here is an exceptionally insightful response from another discussion that is directly related to this topic.

God Evolved
Alpha First Beginning

Isaiah 44:6
“This is what the Lord says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

Isaiah 48:12
“Listen to me, Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last.

Revelation 1:8
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Revelation 21:6
He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life.

Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

The proof that God exist is in the fact that spontaneous evolution of life is not possible in this universe. God evolved, then He created. From the Subatomic and the primordial Dark Matter. A type of nothing, because it has no atomic bonds to form anything. God created gravity and gravitons to form the atomic elements of this Universe.

Dark Matter is undifferentiated material which has no atomic bonds, this would make it of no particular substance. In other words, it is Nothing. And if you are willing to accept it, it is primordial, and God's store house for creating the universe from "Nothing."

Dark Matter is accepted by the mainstream scientific community. The existence and properties of dark matter are inferred from its gravitational effects on visible matter, on radiation, and on the large-scale structure of the universe. The presence of dark matter in the universe, including gravitational lensing of background objects by galaxy clusters such as the Bullet Cluster, the temperature distribution of hot gas in galaxies and clusters of galaxies and, more recently, the pattern of anisotropies in the cosmic microwave background.

According to cosmologists, dark matter is composed primarily of a not yet characterized type of subatomic particle.

The belief that God created from nothing comes from the Ramban comments on Genesis: www.sefaria.org/Ramban_on_Genesis.1.1?lang=en&layout=lines&sidebarLang=all

Dark Matter: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter


The missing links are missing because life did not evolve in this Universe.

Isaiah 43:10. "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD (Yahwah), "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no god formed, nor will there be one after me.


The key is the word "formed." Absolutely anything that has no beginning does not exist. God says that He is the FIRST AND THE LAST. Therefore He Began. That is why His name means "Life Began."


Astronomers detect dark matter though the effect of its gravity on the path that light takes as it crosses the Universe. As light travels through a region of dark matter, its path gets distorted by gravity. Instead of taking a straight line, the light is bent back and forth depending on how much dark matter is passes through.

Astronomers can map out regions of dark matter in the sky just by looking at the distortions in the light, and then working backwards to figure out how much intervening dark matter would need to be there to cause it.

After the creation of the Universe the Earth was later created by God. Before there was a firmament it was a formless body of water. The bible does not state how much time had passed before the creation of the Earth.


God says that no god formed before Him. He also states that none will form after Him, meaning that the element to the forming is no longer available. The word "form" would not have been used if it were not a condition.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Book of Adam and Eve ...

What book of Adam and Eve?

 

[DennisTate]

No.

Lucifer's name was changed to Satan; and to get God back, he started calling Jehovah, "Yahweh."

Not God's Scripture.

Leviticus 16:10 to be exact.... in the original Hebrew.

"but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Aza'zel."(Leviticus 16:10RSV)

The Book of Enoch mentions his name many times. He was king of the 208 Watchers who fell because of the daughters of men.

You might enjoy the theory on his potential restoration that I put forward on page 1 here:


Yom Kippur/The Rapture connection?!

 

[DennisTate]

What book of Adam and Eve?

I highly recommend it.....

Forgotten Books of Eden: First Book of Adam and Eve