Millions, billions, trillions, same lie, just not as impressive. If you believe in panspermia as the alternative to abiogenesis then you must think we are billions of years old. One lie or the other. You choose.
It is not a mater of it being impressive it is a matter of it being true. We were not created the very minute life occurred on earth so there is a major difference in your wording. Rejecting fact is a difficult issue and does not change anything.
Ahh, you you make up your OWN religion. I get it. What will you call it?
Every makes their own religion as they make their own interpretation as to what is right or wrong in their own religious background. The variances are immense and the attainment of any new knowledge can easily manipulate one's beliefs to the slightest that its difference can be noticed or unnoticed by the collective adherents.
So Mohammed and Jesus are both liars? What god are you a slave too, specifically? What servant calls his master a liar?
Why would you call these people liars? The usage of mythos was highly common in Semitic culture and especially Greek. There is nothing wrong with using it to validate a point and even I have written small stories to my own preferences.
The Bible teaches us how to recognize false prophets. It might do you good to study this.
I do not evens hare your same concept of prophet so the Bible would do me no good. It is only a book and although it is responsible for the condition of nations and empires so it the Qur'an and the Vedas.
You two have something in common.
Insulting me will not work. As I do not even preach or espouse any sort of religion on others but you on the other hand do as your subtle usages of Biblical authority say otherwise.
The enemies of the Isaraelites sought their destruction and would not allow them peace. It's quite the difference with Mohammed, who attacked his enemies, preached conversion by the sword, and who started wars. As for comparing Mohammed with Moses, how many miracles did Mohammed perform again? Oh, that's right. NONE!
You do not know Islam and its rise then. Tribes like the Qurayesh and even Muhammad's own relatives did not want Muhammad to gain any power because he changed things. He got rid of tribal disputes, tribes that were still in conflict and later tried removing Muhammad were immediately defeated and subjugated. This is how things were back then and this applies for every great empire including the Byzantine Empire which has a nasty record of Christians spreading the word of god by force
. How on earth did you think resisting Pagans of Britain were converted? Along with the Germanic and Scandinavian territories?
You will never bring this up of course which is obvious but defaming a persons character does not make your religion look moral in the slightest. It has the opposite effect. By me not being a Christian it offends you because of my existence.
Based on what criterian and proved to whom?
You must really dislike science because I could ask you how do you acquire your proofs and validation of your own beliefs.
How do you reason? How do you decide? It is because of yourself and that is it. You come to a state of reason where your decide what is true or not despite the void of factual information.
We all choose what we wish to choose and it cannot be helped. That is life and I do not complain about it. Unlike yourself I am not offended that you believe in something different, I am offended that your only interested in bickering.
Then in your opinion, neither is the word of God. Therefore, why give credance to a god whose word cannot be trusted? Why be the slave of any such god? You make no sense.
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Thomas Paine - The Age of Reason
"The only idea man can affix to the name of God is that of a
first cause, the cause of all things"
That sums things up nicely.
When you say "Word of God" please specify whose word because the likeliness of god speaking to mankind is nil. I believe in a perfect god and not a god who forgets, makes errors, is the result of his own worries, requires constant debates for his truth and cannot dictate his will to mankind. Holy-Books are mans person, bias, and errant assumptions of god's will and what they believe is god's will. We all believe our correct interpretation of god is correct and this is natural as even I myself have obvious bias.
The Qur'an compromises of Muhammad's words which were influences by Judaic and Christian theology which he viewed as correct. He viewed himself as the messenger and corrector of the woes that came about Arabia in that age. Muhammad was a prophet but not in the way you wish to view him as. Prophets are
either noble men or insane men and I do not think Muhammad was the latter.
You are entitled to your opinion regardless of my words.
Has it never occurred to you that perhaps god has never desired anything of us because he is perfect? The Bible teaches that god is not perfect but if you were to imagine such a being then you would realize he would never have made the mistake of making us. We rebelled against him. So if we are created then obviously there is nothing to "fix" about ourselves. God created us as he deemed fit and he created everything as he deemed fit. Everything on earth worships god by merely existing. Everything is enslaved to god because of the fact that it is created and does what it was intended to do. Nothing you do is intended outside of your design or function.
That is, of course, a complete and total fabrication. The Bible exists because it is the word of God. The Qu'an exists because it was written as an alternative to the God of the Jews and Christians.
Says who? Please explain to my why the Bible is true. You can link to me to a site or make a separate post for this.
I have been a Christian from birth so keep in mind I know all of the ideology used by Christians.
In other words, God created you in His image, so you decided to return the favor. I get it.
Wrong you created god in your image.
You gave god emotions, a human body, glorified the human body as superior so as it could not be accepted as an animal. You also gave god anger and jealousy.
I give god no human attribute whatsoever.
Surat ash-Shurah "Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing."
The very fact Christians have been painting images of god in the image of the king of gods Zeus, lord of the Olympians is ironic because Muslims have no such image for Allah. All we have is this "
الله‎". Just a word for one of his names and his names are infinite while you assign a mere few Muslims have 99 in the Qur'an alone not counting narrations
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Spoken as a man with no understanding.
Funny because Muhammad had enough understanding to adhere to the canonical Judaic theology and make a god who is one and not three. When do you hear Muslims debating about god being one or three in one, or three separate beings. The Pauline Epistles cannot even decide if Jesus is son of God or God on earth.
Christianity is the following of a man who lived a perfect life without sin, who cast out demons, healed the sick and raised the dead. Islam follows a much lesser flawed and sinful man who never perfomed a single miracle, and who had 15 wives, including a six year old.
Both claim the identical yet did you know that the only accounts of Jesus are recorded by his disciples and nobody else? Only the people who loved him most and viewed him as god. Sounds typical for them to never record a single bad thing he did. But now that I think about it there was some mentioning of him killing him in a rejected work called the Infancy Gospel of Thomas. But from here we digress.
Thank you for admitting it is a man made religion.
I do not mean this as an insult despite the fact you are going to great lengths trying to insult me but Christianity is equally as man-made and more so considering the majority of it is based of myth which cannot be proven such as Abraham.
I challenge you to provide evidence for his existence.
However, you also believe the Qu'ran to be fabricated, full of errors, and written by man; not inspired by God. As such, it has no more religious value than a good short story does.
WRONG!
Philosophies are man made and riddled with error yet they are studied so much to the point you can take classes in a University. Theological works are to be critiqued, understood and accepted for their value and not their errors or misunderstandings.
I believe the Qur'an to be the best theological construct written in the history of mankind. Its value is greater considering that I view it as the work of a man and not the cop-out of a god using divine intervention. The fact that a human being spoke such words makes it all the more important.
But I can, and have. You see, God is real, and unlike the god of Mohammed He is capable of great and miraculous things. One of the things He is capable of is to give His followers the indwelling of the Holy Spirit by which we can communicate with God. Followers of make-believe religions have no such connection. I can understand your lack of faith when your religion comes from man, not God. You confirmed that very thing.
This is where ignorance hits the wall. I believe god is real and I also have had moments experiencing it. Religions are only true to the pious practitioner of it and they are only more so true to the pious heretic of it.
I do not have faith as I do not wish for things to exist.
God is infinite and far greater then us so to say he is understood because of a singular book is to say your god is limited. I say god is infinite and cannot be understood in the slightest, all we have is hypotheses and conjurings. All that we can be sure of is that he created us
