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Do you all accept biblical inerrancy/infallibility and why?

Discussion in 'Christianity and World Religion' started by cloudyday2, Dec 6, 2019.

  1. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    When God Reveals Salvation or anything concerning His Word to anyone in the world,
    He always reveals the Truth, unchanged, unchanging, and the same as always.
    Not something here, something else there , no.
    All of God's Word, Plan and Purpose in Salvation , as Revealed by Him, is all and always in perfect harmony, completely.

    THAT is one way of testing your statements, or mine, or anyone's: anything that is not in line with all Scripture is false , not just what is opposed by God, like all religions outside of Christ, all religions in the world , there are all false, on the wide path to destruction.

    You have one you would like to hold onto ? Then you cannot get through the gate to heaven. Everything must be given up to come to Jesus and to be His disciple Any family , friends, acquaintances, partiers, co-workers that will not come to Jesus on His terms, will not in any ways be saved , unless they also repent.
     
  2. cloudyday2

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    The second sentence of the opening post says: "Shouldn't God be the standard rather than a book?"
    So what I've been saying seems on-topic to me.

    I imagine you would agree that the answer to the credibility issue depends on the expectations. Most modern Christians don't expect historicity from portions of the Bible. Also most Christians conveniently skip-over the parts of the Bible that they don't like. The Bible is a collection of books written at different times in different styles for different purposes, so we can't label the Bible as "credible" or "not credible". Is Noah's ark credible? It depends what we expect from the story of Noah's ark. Is Psalm 111 credible? Etc. (I am certain you are aware of all this, but it seems important to mention.)

    Probably we need to ask "is the Bible inspired?" or better still "does the Bible speak for God to individuals?" and "does the Bible coherently define a single theology?" and so forth.
     
  3. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Expectations do not change any Scripture.
    It is entirely, forever, truth.
    What you expect does not change anything, except also it cannot save you if you have not truth, not trust.
    All through the centuries it was written, it is totally in harmony, faithful and truth.

    Did you ever say why you reject Jesus the Savior ?
    Sometimes your posts "looked like" , albeit now only for a short time in the past , you were asking to find out the truth.
    Now? no more. Why?

    No need to ask.
    The Bible is completely Inspired - Breathed by Yahuweh Sovereign Creator.
    The Scriptures is God's Word, Alive and Sharper than any two edged sword , separating the soul and spirit, revealing the thoughts and intents of the heart.
    As many as Seek God Find Him, yet most of the world still will and has rejected Him. They remain lost in transgressions, unable to learn anything or to be saved unless they turn to God , come to Jesus, to be saved.

     
  4. awitch

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    Yet, I still find them far more trustworthy than yours.
     
  5. cloudyday2

    cloudyday2 Generic Theist Supporter

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    Basically comes down to reading history books I guess. Judaism and it's daughter Christianity seem to be ad hoc human creations.

    I suspect there is a God of some kind, because I have had some personal experiences that are difficult to explain through metaphysical naturalism. Apparently this God is willing to respond to sincere people regardless of their religion. So for a Hindu this God will pretend to be Vishnu, and for a Jew this God will pretend to be Yahweh, and for a Christian this God will pretend to be Jesus. That is my best hypothesis.
     
  6. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Your best fails from the start.
    No other god is able to do anything for anyone.
    Oh, demons can and do "appear" to you to deceive you, and they did their job.
    They do that to multitudes, many multitudes.
    Seeking to keep you from finding God's Kingdom, from ever even seeing Heaven. So far it looks like they succeeded.


    This has nothing at all to do with history or history books. Society overall, history too, is pernicious - seeking to bring death to everyone. And thus most of the world dies/ perishes/ IN SIN, without hope at all in the resurrection of life in Jesus.
    The enemy roams the earth seeking whom he may devour (to destroy their faith, to keep them from having faith in Jesus, to keep them on the road to destruction.)

    He can and has appeared as if "an angel of light". Thus, more deception, more destruction, for those deceived.
     
  7. cloudyday2

    cloudyday2 Generic Theist Supporter

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    I am not certain who you intend to persuade with your posts. I don't believe in hell, so your fear mongering about hell doesn't persuade me. I don't believe the Bible is inspired or even particularly wise, so quoting the Bible doesn't persuade me.

    Maybe your intended audience is any wobbly-faithed Christians who might be led astray by my vile heresies?

    EDIT: Normally I try to respond to people who respond to my posts, but I don't know how to respond to many of your responses. So if I don't respond to your posts please don't take it as an expression of dislike. You seem like a fine person as far as I can tell, but I just don't know what to say sometimes. Probably that is because I am not your intended audience when you post.
     
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  8. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Whoever rejects God's Word, rejects God.

     
  9. Albion

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    What does that even mean, cloudyday?? What other ways are there for us to know the nature and identity of the true god or even that there is one? Everybody will be lifted to the 7th heaven in a mystical way for a personal interview with Almighty God, etc. etc. isn't the answer, that's for sure.

    No. I cannot agree with that. Yes, we can always find somebody somewhere--and maybe more than a few--who make their decisions for the strangest reasons, but their behavior does not define this issue or answer your questions.

    Of course!

    Yes!

    Certainly. When it is said that the Bible is revelation and is the basis for belief in the God of the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic peoples (which almost scoops the field as theists go), all of that is assumed.

    I think I made reference to this before by including "credible" as part of my statement that it is the Bible that holds the answer to your question.
     
  10. dlamberth

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    I suggest an exploration of the Mystics and personal revelation might give an answer to your question.
     
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  11. Albion

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    Not unless you believe that every person can and should become a mystic. Only then would that course of action have a chance of answering the question.

    But even then, we would have to ask how mystical experiences are guaranteed to give the correct answer.

    There appear to be many non-Christian mystics, in addition to the Christian mystics, and all are claiming to have had experiences. This doesn't mean that there is even a consensus among them about whether there is a god; who that god is, etc., let alone that they have the correct answers.
     
  12. cloudyday2

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    Why should we think that the Bible has better answers than the holy books of other religions or even contemporary books on spirituality?

    I like to imagine that God gives everybody what they need when they need it. Some people don't need to know anything about God and some people do fine believing nonsense about God. There is probably a lot to know about God, so nobody gets the full picture.
     
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  13. Albion

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    That is the question, isn't it?

    It's not going to be answered by expecting all inquirers to get with the experience of some mystics or to take as the final answer any individual's personal insights.
     
  14. dlamberth

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    I have absoutly no doubt that every Human Being IS capable of mystic experiences as well as personal revelation. It's one of the things that makes humans, Human Beings.
     
  15. dlamberth

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    I think that anyway you look at it the final answer will always be from personal insight. The problems come up when we try to make our own personal insight a global one true way belief for everyone else.
     
  16. grasping the after wind

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    The scriptures are God's conversation with those of us who He has not deigned to give direct revelation to. If He speaks to you directly so that the Bible is superfluous then deem yourself either blessed, lucky or in need of counselling. If I do not accept the Bible as the one infallible source of my faith then I might just as well make up a faith of my own to follow. I consider the Bible to be infallible in telling me what God wants me to know about the relationship between God and His people. It is not a mere book of factual information about the world but a biographical study of a relationship.
     
  17. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    True that.
    Some things are devilish. (bad, evil, wrong, sinful in every way all the time).
    The devil gets most of mankind.

    Yahuweh gets FEW, on the narrow road. Peace and Joy and Righteousness.

    The devil/ death/ destruction gets MANY on the wide road. Selfish, self-willed, liars, thieves, idolators...
     
  18. Albion

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    Even if that were true, what makes anyone think that each person who seeks the answer to the questions that we are discussing on this thread will have them answered, in identical fashion, across the board? The idea is, I think, to have an answer that is absolute, applicable to every person at all times.
     
  19. cloudyday2

    cloudyday2 Generic Theist Supporter

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    Maybe not:
    - Maybe any answers to our questions must be falsehoods due to the limitations of our human minds.
    - Maybe even if we could comprehend the truth the limitations of our human minds would lead to the wrong actions in response to that truth.
    - Maybe God chooses one falsehood for one person and another falsehood for another person, because those two people have different needs.
     
  20. bekkilyn

    bekkilyn Contemplative Christian Supporter

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    Perhaps the supposed falsehoods aren't falsehoods at all, but simply that multiple humans are looking at it from different points of view. Think of that illustration with multiple blind people in the presence of an elephant and they all believe it is something different and yet they are all seeing the truth of an elephant.
     
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