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Featured Do we have to keep all the New Testament commands?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by MikeinSeattle, Jul 25, 2019.

  1. devin553344

    devin553344 I believe in the Resurrection

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    I have the belief that everyone sins, in thought, speech and imperfection. No I don't think man can be perfect, I think that is just too much to require from a human. Jesus was God.
     
  2. timothyu

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    True but unfortunately people focus on the Redeemer and not why He was sent.. the Kingdom. Jesus was no threat to the Adversary in this world but the Kingdom was/is. That's why we don't hear much about it in churches. The world has monopolized Christianity to protect itself.
     
  3. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I remember once when my doctor would not return my calls and he would not even visit me in the hospital because he was sure that I was going to die. I did recover though. In fact the doctor that did continue to try to help me says that I am in better shape now then I was 20 years ago.
     
  4. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Perfect in the Bible means whole complete and mature. It means to produce fruit. IF you do not produce fruit you are cut down and thrown into the fire.
     
  5. Kaon

    Kaon Well-Known Member

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    Interesting...
     
  6. Root of Jesse

    Root of Jesse Admiral of the Fleet/First Sea Lord Supporter CF Ambassadors

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    I'm glad for you, brother. My wife has terminal cancer, and, while we're all 'terminal', we're kind of waiting for that day, you know? The survival rate at 5 years after diagnosis is <5%, and normal survival time is 6-9 months. We're past 6 months now. It's in God's hands. She's showing no improvement, sleeps 18-20 hours a day, and eats very small amounts. I am preparing for the worst and expecting a miracle.
     
  7. devin553344

    devin553344 I believe in the Resurrection

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    Yeah cause to obey every instruction perfectly in the bible seems to be impossible unless you were filled with the Holy Spirit 24/7 and directed by God continually. I just don't believe in perfect people except Jesus.
     
  8. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The problem is our flesh or physical body. In Heaven we will not have a physical body we will be spiritual. So we will be able to follow all of the rules there.
     
  9. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    You can still have faith and believe that God will heal her. Life is always the right choice to make. The resurrection power of God is already doing a work in us all to raise us up from the dead.
     
  10. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I provided plenty of scripture to back up my claims but there are people that have not matured to a level to where they can understand the teaching of the Bible. Most people want the Bible spoon fed to them and usually what they get is false teaching because they do not allow the Holy Spirit of God to be their guide and their teacher.

    I was simply having a friendly conversation and now I find myself under attack. The people here are very unfriendly to treat people the way I am getting treated. If they want to go to Heaven they are going to have to love everyone in Heaven and not accuse people in a way that breaks the rules of this forum.
     
  11. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I answered that question when I said this was a vision. Then I gave you scriptures where we will have dreams and visions. Just because YOU never had a vision, does not mean that God does not work in lives of other people this way. You like to persecute the people of God.

    You are running for your life now because you know that you will be held accountable for what you are doing here.
     
  12. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    People in the past write things for our benifit today. For example in Daniel we read: "Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end". He was not writting for the people alive in his day, he was helping us out today. He was doing what he could do to help people that had not even been born yet. Just as Paul has been helping generation after generation all of these years.

    We can do the same thing. There are things we can do to help future generations. To make life easier for them. There are days I spend up to 18 hours in research and study. So I can try to help others to understand even if they do not have the time to do all the study and research themselves.
     
  13. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Jesus does a work in us so that the Torah if fulfilled in and through us. I try to follow the teaching of Moses for the Priesthood. So we can live holy and sanctified before God. The "Jews" actually go beyond this. They have 613 commandments that they follow. More then what Moses gives us.

    Matthew 23:3 "…2“The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So practice and observe everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, burdensome loads and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them"
     
  14. Soyeong

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    All of the 613 commandments in the OT and 1,050 commandments in the NT can be put into one or both of the categories of being about how to love God or how to love our neighbor, so all of the other commandments hang on the greatest two because they are all examples of what it looks like to correctly love God and our neighbor. For example, obedience to the command to help the poor looks like obedience to the command to love our neighbor, so the command to love does not replace the other commandments, but rather it is the essence of them. Love fulfills the Law because that is essentially what it is about how to do.

    The greatest two commandments are a lot easier said than done, so thankfully God gave all of the other commandments and send Jesus as an example to paint us a picture of what that looks like. In other words, if you were to compare someone who was living in obedience to the greatest two commandments with someone who was living in obedience to the Mosaic Law, then there would be no difference because both would look like the same example that Jesus set for us to follow.

    There are more way to love our neighbor than what God Law specifically prescribes, but God's Law is spiritual in that it has always been intended to teach deeper spiritual principles of which the listed laws are just examples, and which are the character traits of God. If we correctly understand a spiritual principle, then it will lead us to do things that are examples of that principle in accordance with what the Law instructs, and if we have a character trait, then we will express it through our actions, so while there could ten thousand ways that you could love your neighbor that are not specifically prescribed by the Law, this should nevertheless still be inclusive of obeying what the Law instructs.

    To give a couple examples of the 1,050 commandments:

    Consider the ravens (Luke 12:24)
    Consider the lilies (Luke 12:27-28).

    Does this mean that we should always be considering lilies and ravens in order to avoid sinning? I don't think so, though we should always live in accordance with the principle that Jesus was teaching us through considering them, and by doing so, it is expressed as considering them whenever we become concerned about what to eat or what to wear.
     
  15. ~Anastasia~

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    We will be separated from our bodies at death - that is what physical death is.

    But human beings were created to be both body and soul. And at the end of this age, all bodies will be resurrected and reunited with the souls.

    It is not a matter of created physical aspects being inherently evil. God said it was very good after completing His creation. We were created for a priestly role, as creatures who share a physical aspect with the created world, and a spiritual aspect capable of communing with God. Adam failed initially through sin, but Jesus as the "second Adam" set things right.

    But the physical aspect of creation is not inherently evil, nor passing away with this life. God will restore creation in the end, in a perfected manner.

    In the life of the age to come, we will have physical bodies, yet will still be freed from bondage to sin - glory to God!
     
  16. joshua 1 9

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    There is a rapture at the end of this age but according to Rev 20:5 the resurrection can not take place until the end of the tribulation period.
     
  17. ~Anastasia~

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    My answer does not relate to rapture/tribulation.

    Let's just say I am referring to this current age, and the time of the final judgement.
     
  18. Root of Jesse

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    Well the best thing God can do for any of us is admit us to heaven. But killing yourself is near-automatic that the door will stay closed. So we're living life as best we can.
     
  19. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    There are many names for the age we are currently in. The Age of Grace, The Holy Spirit Dispensation, The Church Age, The Time of the Gentiles and so on. The fullness of time is the end of one age and the beginning of another.
     
  20. Phil W

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    Isn't it a marvelous thing that God has made a way for us to be reborn of His incorruptible seed?
    He made it possible to bear the fruits of God and impossible to bear the fruits of anything else.

    You are correct, He, nor any of His prophets or apostles ever said that.
    In fact, quite the opposite...so it must be possible!

    I thank God in the name of Jesus Christ for freeing me from such doubts!

    Isn't that an absolute?
    It is for me, thank God.

    I assume you are referring to "man" in general, and not to those who have already professed their servitude to God.
    The servants of God have already suffered their death at their "immersion" into Christ and into His death. (Rom 6:3-7)

    Amen, He is our advocate.
    And it is our duty to remain faithful after being forgiven for our past sins.

    The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
     
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