Do creationists not know their own Bibles?

[Arc F1]

That's certainly my take on it. But then, I'm only an Anglican, a "Bible-hating, Christ-denying commie," part of the atheistic conspiracy against Christianity.

Is that your view of yourself or the worlds view?

 

[Speedwell]

They are one and the same.

And I know what you're getting at.

Moses threw the first set down and they broke.

And that passage you quoted was not part of the Commandments as spoken by God in any case. It was a parenthetical insertion by the transcriber. You can tell by the voicing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

They are one and the same.

And I know what you're getting at.

Moses threw the first set down and they broke.

And the second set is not even close:

"17 Don’t make metal images of gods.

18 Don’t fail to observe the Festival of Thin Bread in the month of Abib. Obey me and eat bread without yeast for seven days during Abib, because that is the month you left Egypt.

19 The first-born males of your families and of your flocks and herds belong to me.

20 You can save the life of a first-born donkey by sacrificing a lamb; if you don’t, you must break the donkey’s neck. You must save every first-born son.

Bring an offering every time you come to worship.

21 Do your work in six days and rest on the seventh day, even during the seasons for plowing and harvesting. 22 Celebrate the Harvest Festival each spring when you start harvesting your wheat, and celebrate the Festival of Shelters each autumn when you pick your fruit.

23 Your men must come to worship me three times a year, because I am the Lord God of Israel. 24 I will force the nations out of your land and enlarge your borders. Then no one will try to take your property when you come to worship me these three times each year.

25 When you sacrifice an animal on the altar, don’t offer bread made with yeast. And don’t save any part of the Passover meal for the next day.

26 I am the Lord your God, and you must bring the first part of your harvest to the place of worship.

Don’t boil a young goat in its mother’s milk."

Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 34 - Contemporary English Version

By the way, that is the only "Ten Commandments" in the Bible.

 

[Arc F1]

For quite a while I have felt that creationists have a lot of gall for telling God how he had to have made this world.

I have no idea how he did it, he didn't share that with me maybe he shared it with others lol

 

[Speedwell]

Is that your view of yourself or the worlds view?

That's the view of conservative Evangelical Protestants--creationists--towards any Christian who doesn't "believe the Bible." If you live around them you get bullying and even violent treatment as a bonus.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have no idea how he did it, he didn't share that with me maybe he shared it with others lol

Or we could do what scientists do. Look at the evidence. If God made the world the world is a valid source to tell us how he made it. In fact there are Christians that are scientists that do that:

BioLogos - God's Word. God's World.

 

[Arc F1]

Or we could do what scientists do. Look at the evidence. If God made the world the world is a valid source to tell us how he made it. In fact there are Christians that are scientists that do that:

BioLogos - God's Word. God's World.

What we knew as fact yesterday is no longer valid today. I will just except that we are here and God created us.

 

[AV1611VET]

And that passage you quoted was not part of the Commandments as spoken by God in any case. It was a parenthetical insertion by the transcriber. You can tell by the voicing.

 

[LoricaLady]

Ditto.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What we knew as fact yesterday is no longer valid today. I will just except that we are here and God created us.

That is not totally true. Take gravity for example. Most people only understand Galilean gravity at best. That is the good old D = (1/2)gt^2 + vt +h. That describes how an object falls near the Earth.

If a person has had a smattering of physics and calculus he can understand Newtonian gravitation. F =GMm/r^2 . That describes the motions of the planets fairly accurately. And even fewer understand Einstein's General Relativity. That is as accurately as we understand gravity today. By the way that does not make Newton and Galileo "wrong". They are merely inaccurate under certain circumstances. Very few new ideas in the sciences that are well accepted are shown to be wrong. That is why denying evolution is no different from denying gravity. The gravity that we accept every day is like the variation that is obvious in every birth. And the fact that people do not understand gravity does not stop them from using the GPS functions of their cell phones.

 

[AV1611VET]

And the second set is not even close:

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

 

[inquiring mind]

The pause was there for a reason. Atheists do not think that Jesus was divine and I would not think that you would want to support them in that.

Well, no, I wouldn't want to support that??? It sounded more like the material struck the 'reasonable chord' somewhat with you. Not that you would admit it... the 'pause' just sort of gave it away.

Because just as we understand that gravity is real and is the cause for all sorts of things from a ball dropping on Earth to the motions of the planets and more, we also know that evolution is real. Denying evolution is denying reality. You would probably need to learn some science to understand this. Many Christians do understand this. In fact I could link you to a valid site by Christians that are real scientists (they follow the scientific method and publish and everything! To even work at Answers In Genesis one must swear not to follow the scientific method, making their work not science). In fact why not. Why trust me when you can see what your own fellow Christians write:

BioLogos - God's Word. God's World.

Promotes thoughtful dialogue... aren't we having thoughtful dialogue???

 

[pitabread]

Does it matter how God created us? Would we understand it if he were to explain it? The Bible could only explain for the understanding of the times it was written.

According to some creationists it does. I've seen more than a few creationists on this forum claim that unless one adheres to (their version of) a strict literal Biblical interpretation, then one cannot even be a Christian.

 

[Arc F1]

That is not totally true. Take gravity for example. Most people only understand Galilean gravity at best. That is the good old D = (1/2)gt^2 + vt +h. That describes how an object falls near the Earth.

If a person has had a smattering of physics and calculus he can understand Newtonian gravitation. F =GMm/r^2 . That describes the motions of the planets fairly accurately. And even fewer understand Einstein's General Relativity. That is as accurately as we understand gravity today. By the way that does not make Newton and Galileo "wrong". They are merely inaccurate under certain circumstances. Very few new ideas in the sciences that are well accepted are shown to be wrong. That is why denying evolution is no different from denying gravity. The gravity that we accept every day is like the variation that is obvious in every birth. And the fact that people do not understand gravity does not stop them from using the GPS functions of their cell phones.

Is this where I have to insert something that shows that our understanding of facts change? Come on, you understand the point I was making.

I have to go out and pick a ton of green beans shortly. Let's continue this at a later time. I don't understand how they grow but I do understand that they taste good

 

[pitabread]

But I have seen from my own personal experience that the obvious is very frequently not seen unless the Holy Spirit opens our eyes to see it.

That just sounds like an appeal to confirmation bias.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Do you have a point there? It appears that you are saying that the apostles and Jesus did not understand the Commandments in the Ark of the Covenant. Your quotes without commentary are hard to understand.

Meanwhile as I said, the second list that I quoted above are the only ones actually called "the Ten Commandments" in the Bible. Yours at best are only general "commandments" in your quote. Here let me add on to what was quoted from the source that I linked above:

" 27 The Lord told Moses to put these laws in writing, as part of his agreement with Israel. 28 Moses stayed on the mountain with the Lord for forty days and nights, without eating or drinking. And he wrote down the Ten Commandments, the most important part of God’s agreement with his people."

 

[Subduction Zone]

Is this where I have to insert something that shows that our understanding of facts change? Come on, you understand the point I was making.

I have to go out and pick a ton of green beans shortly. Let's continue this at a later time. I don't understand how they grow but I do understand that they taste good

Save some for me. Very tasty, lightly steamed with salt and pepper is all that I need. It is sacrilege to cook them to a soft mush!

 

[Arc F1]

According to some creationists it does. I've seen more than a few creationists on this forum claim that unless one adheres to (their version of) a strict literal Biblical interpretation, then one cannot even be a Christian.

A lot of people say a lot of things. Just go with your understanding and trust in God to deal with the rest.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, no, I wouldn't want to support that??? It sounded more like the material struck the 'reasonable chord' somewhat with you. Not that you would admit it... the 'pause' just sort of gave it away.


Promotes thoughtful dialogue... aren't we having thoughtful dialogue???

I am trying to have a thoughtful dialogue. If one understands the sciences at all it quickly becomes obvious that Genesis cannot be read literally as creationists do. The evidence against that is as strong as the evidence against those that use the Bible to argue that the Earth is Flat, and there are Christians that do that. By the same standards that one uses to reject a Flat Earth interpretation of the Bible many Christians reject the literal interpretation of Genesis.

 

[inquiring mind]

That's the view of conservative Evangelical Protestants--creationists--towards any Christian who doesn't "believe the Bible."

Not sure of the point you're making here. Just curious... is it just the OT you do not believe, or do you not even believe the gospels?