Do creationists not know their own Bibles?

[inquiring mind]

In another thread, a creationist claimed that Jesus was a literal 6 day creationist. There is nothing in the Bible that supports this claim (nada, zilch, zip).

I'm used to creationists not knowing anything about science. I'm even used to creationists not knowing anything about creationism. But I'm starting to wonder if creationists know anything about the Bible at all.

Jesus certainly implied it very strongly. Here's an interesting article in that regard... from one of your favorite sites and authors.
Did Jesus Say He Created in Six Literal Days?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Jesus certainly implied it very strongly. Here's an interesting article in that regard... from one of your favorite sites and authors.
Did Jesus Say He Created in Six Literal Days?

Besides using a lying source, it also fails since Jesus often used all sorts of literary tools to teach his lessons. Also a claim that Jesus believed in a 6 day creation, which he very well may have, is also a claim that Jesus was not divine.

 

[Speedwell]

Jesus certainly implied it very strongly. Here's an interesting article in that regard... from one of your favorite sites and authors.
Did Jesus Say He Created in Six Literal Days?

To you and AV, who pretty much made the same argument: Why?
Why go through with such a strained and implausible analysis to prove the unnecessary? Why is it so important to you to justify a literal six-day creation?

 

[Bobber]

5 “It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,” Jesus replied. 6“But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ 7 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8 and the two will become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Mark 10 NIV

So, what is being addressed in this passage, for example, isn't some details of creation like time duration, but something far more challenging and serious, right now -- divorce.
(which often happens from either lusts or from unforgiveness, or both)

His words are for right now -- today -- right here and now, in your life. Whether your life, here and now, is a good life, or a poor one.

Here. Now.

So, His words are never about geology or time duration or planetary geometry or whatever, biochemistry. Not ever. They are instead about things that are eternal truths of living as beings, now and in the life to come. Here, love and forgiveness, vs being 'hard in heart'.

Sorry but I can't accept your reasoning here. If Jesus said , "I got on a donkey and went to Jerusalem to visit a friend" you could say his words were about meeting a friend. TRUE! But does it do away with the fact that he rode a donkey to get there? He said he did. You might say it's not important HOW he got there. I don't know....sometimes even in our speech were providing context for other possible subjects and themes as well. A listener to him might be wondering if he ever got tired of walking everywhere so he addressed that issue too.

 

[Bobber]

There is nothing in the Bible that says that Jesus was a literal 6 day creationist (the topic of the thread). If you think otherwise, please elaborate.

I'd suggest to you Jesus might say to you I didn't need to. He might say to you I inspired the Old Testament writers to use the Hebrew word yō·wm which means a day, and you see the phrase "evening and morning" associated with it.

 

[AV1611VET]

To you and AV, who pretty much made the same argument: Why?
Why go through with such a strained and implausible analysis to prove the unnecessary? Why is it so important to you to justify a literal six-day creation?

That's what apologists do.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'd suggest to you Jesus might say to you I didn't need to. He might say to you I inspired the Old Testament writers to use the Hebrew word yō·wm which means a day, and you see the phrase "evening and morning" associated with it.

Why would he have done that?

 

[Tinker Grey]

I'd suggest to you Jesus might say to you I didn't need to. He might say to you I inspired the Old Testament writers to use the Hebrew word yō·wm which means a day, and you see the phrase "evening and morning" associated with it.

I see then that Gen 2:17 was a lie.

 

[Bobber]

I see then that Gen 2:17 was a lie.

Nope. They did die that day. Study what the scriptures teach about spiritual death which happened THAT DAY to them. Physical death came later.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Nope. They did die that day. Study what the scriptures teach about spiritual death which happened THAT DAY to them. Physical death came later.

It certainly does not seem that that was what God meant when he was talking to them. Surely this concept--spiritual death--would not have been what was and A&Es mind. This is post hoc rationalization for the lie God told Adam and Eve.

The saving grace of the story is that it did not happen.

 

[LoricaLady]

From one of the Ten Commandments ...

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

We know from Exodus 31 that God himself wrote the Ten Commandments ...

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deuteronomy 9:10 And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

Let me reiterate: these were hand-written by God himself.

And we know that Jesus is God.

Thus Jesus wrote, with His own hand, that He made the universe in six days.

The points you make are so obvious. But I have seen from my own personal experience that the obvious is very frequently not seen unless the Holy Spirit opens our eyes to see it. No use arguing with those who don't see the obvious in the meantime.

 

[Arc F1]

In another thread, a creationist claimed that Jesus was a literal 6 day creationist. There is nothing in the Bible that supports this claim (nada, zilch, zip).

I'm used to creationists not knowing anything about science. I'm even used to creationists not knowing anything about creationism. But I'm starting to wonder if creationists know anything about the Bible at all.

I wonder a lot about the mindset of evolutionists. Does anyone care? I doubt it.

 

[Speedwell]

I wonder a lot about the mindset of evolutionists. Does anyone care? I doubt it.

I think Pitabread is right. Speaking as a Christian I would have to agree to the point that creationists seem to know less about the Bible than other Christian groups.

 

[inquiring mind]

Besides using a lying source, it also fails since Jesus often used all sorts of literary tools to teach his lessons. Also a claim that Jesus believed in a 6 day creation, which he very well may have,

I detect a little 'pause' in your comment... shows you read through the material at least. Often someone's first reaction to something contrary to their belief, especially if it is reasonable, is to call it a lie.

is also a claim that Jesus was not divine.

How so?

 

[Subduction Zone]

From one of the Ten Commandments ...

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

We know from Exodus 31 that God himself wrote the Ten Commandments ...

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deuteronomy 9:10 And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

Let me reiterate: these were hand-written by God himself.

And we know that Jesus is God.

Thus Jesus wrote, with His own hand, that He made the universe in six days.

Which Ten Commandments are you talking about? The ones that Moses said he had when he came down from the mountain or the ones that were in the Ark of the Covenant?

 

[Arc F1]

I think Pitabread is right. Speaking as a Christian I would have to agree to the point that creationists seem to know less about the Bible than other Christian groups.

Does it matter how God created us? Would we understand it if he were to explain it? The Bible could only explain for the understanding of the times it was written.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I detect a little 'pause' in your comment... shows you read through the material at least. Often someone's first reaction to something contrary to their belief, especially if it is reasonable, is to call it a lie.

The pause was there for a reason. Atheists do not think that Jesus was divine and I would not think that you would want to support them in that.

How so?

Because just as we understand that gravity is real and is the cause for all sorts of things from a ball dropping on Earth to the motions of the planets and more, we also know that evolution is real. Denying evolution is denying reality. You would probably need to learn some science to understand this. Many Christians do understand this. In fact I could link you to a valid site by Christians that are real scientists (they follow the scientific method and publish and everything! To even work at Answers In Genesis one must swear not to follow the scientific method, making their work not science). In fact why not. Why trust me when you can see what your own fellow Christians write:

BioLogos - God's Word. God's World.

 

[AV1611VET]

Which Ten Commandments are you talking about? The ones that Moses said he had when he came down from the mountain or the ones that were in the Ark of the Covenant?

They are one and the same.

And I know what you're getting at.

Moses threw the first set down and they broke.

 

[Speedwell]

Does it matter how God created us? Would we understand it if he were to explain it? The Bible could only explain for the understanding of the times it was written.

That's certainly my take on it. But then, I'm only an Anglican, a "Bible-hating, Christ-denying commie," part of the atheistic conspiracy against Christianity.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Does it matter how God created us? Would we understand it if he were to explain it? The Bible could only explain for the understanding of the times it was written.

For quite a while I have felt that creationists have a lot of gall for telling God how he had to have made this world.