John tower
The Called Out
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The prisoners of Christ .So does God force men to deny him? And to sin? And to lie?
God cannot deny himself
God cannot lie
And God does no iniquity
And God does not temp men with evil
Jesus said,
Luke 11 - 9. And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.”
He did not say “I will force you as a robot to ask and I will force you as a robot to seek and I will force you as a robot to knock and I will force the door opened regardless of what you think believe say or do . “
Read Romans 9(11-22): Argue with that if you like !
All things working together includes persecution and hardship, not some mystical knowledge of evil. God can know what evil is without sin, we can't. There are the communicable attributes of God, love, righteousness, the fruit of the Holy Spirit and the exercise of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Being all powerfully and all knowing is beyond us. The knowledge of good and evil came with a curse, death was the result. Secret knowledge has long been the bait for the lure of the occult. They call them the dark arts for a reason, it's because they are shrouded in mystery for all but the initiated. That knowledge is spiritual poison.Rom 8(28): All things work together for good to them that are the called ! Well one says how could evil ever work together for good ? Well according to God himself : Evil is needed to become as a God : Genesis 3(22): God speaking : The man is become as one of us , to know good AND EVIL ! Do according to God both good AND EVIL are needed to become as a God ! So God has created all things , even the things we don't understand and think are bad and then erroneously say God did not create because we erroneously think they are bad : that's why the bible says lean not unto your own understanding !
Deuteronomy 15 - 16. And it shall be, if he say unto thee, I will not go away from thee; because he loveth thee and thine house, because he is well with thee; 17. Then thou shalt take an aul, and thrust it through his ear unto the door, and he shall be thy servant for ever. And also unto thy maidservant thou shalt do likewise.”The Prisoners of Christ : Amen !
The prisoners of Christ .
Ephesians 1(11): Him who works ALL THINGS after the counsel of his own will ! : If all things are already after his will it is impossible to have our will , as all things are already after his will ! : What part of this do you not understand?It just sounds to me like you haven't done the math. 2+2=4. If you keep thinking about these Scriptures you'll see it.
You don’t understand Romans 9 we can go through that whole chaoter if you wantRead Romans 9(11-22): Argue with that if you like !
They went out from us that they might be manifest that they never were really of us !What about the people’s names who will be blotted out of the book of life? How did their name get into the book of life and why will they be blotted out?
Ephesians 1(11): Him who works ALL THINGS after the counsel of his own will ! : If all things are already after his will it is impossible to have our will , as all things are already after his will ! : What part of this do you not understand?
God knows how men are saved and who, there is no list predetermined. The hairs of you head are in the present tense and so is you standing before God. What God knew was that to be saved you must be the righteousness of God in Christ.No man is able to pluck them out of the fathers hand , not even themselves as they qualify as a man : ALL that the father gives : none are lost : He not only knows who are his beforehand but the very hairs of their heads are numbered : How is that for knowing who his predestined elect are knowing the number of their hairs !
They went out from us that they might be manifest that they never were really of us !
No one counsels God is all that meansEphesians 1(11): Him who works ALL THINGS after the counsel of his own will ! : If all things are already after his will it is impossible to have our will , as all things are already after his will ! : What part of this do you not understand?
ALL things after his will : ALL things does mean that he pre chose : ALL things after his will : ALL things : He has foreseen it because he has predestined it : predestination is a biblical fact all over the bible ! : Why do you want to continually attack God saying he did not predestinate all things : Tell me why ?All things are according to His will because He has foreseen it and is satisfied with the results. That doesn’t mean that He chose who will be saved and who won’t be saved.
Hah! It's actually not a simple question.
Does God want believers to sin in a moral sense? No. God's commands that we not sin.
Does God sovereignly ordain our sin and use it for his good purposes? Yes. This is exactly what God did with the worst sin ever committed - the betrayal, arrest, and murder of the Son of God. The murder of Jesus was free actions of men which God did not approve of, but he did sovereignly decree in order to accomplish our salvation.
OkI would like to see these questions
ALL things after his will : ALL things does mean that he pre chose : ALL things after his will : ALL things : He has foreseen it because he has predestined it : predestination is a biblical fact all over the bible ! : Why do you want to continually attack God saying he did not predestinate all things : Tell me why ?
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1. Does God make men deny himself?
2. Does God make men do iniquity or sin? Is Christ the minister of sin?
3. Does God make men lie?
4. Does Go make men blaspheme the Holy Ghost? God forbid such a thought don’t answer this one I am just pointing out the horror of such a doctrine and the absolute seriousness of this topic and the great danger of what John is saying
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