Do Aliens Exist?

[Kylie]

Hello

I've always wondered if aliens existed. Many Christians say yes while many say no. Something I just read stated many Christians believe they do as why would God create such a huge universe? The answer to that was that to our minds it's huge but to God's, probably not. However, despite this, many Christians still believe aliens could exist.

Would God have created aliens and not told us? Would He have visited each creation separately and created a Bible separate for each species?

I think life other than what is on Earth is quite likely, but it's probably very simple compared to us. I think that life forms similar to ourselves, with advanced societies, would be very rare.

But whatever the case, I doubt we're going to get to the answer by studying religion.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I think you're using your faith the atheist religion with your last statement.

I think that says more about you than me.

 

[Dan1988]

I think it's much more likely that that account, as well as every other account of both 'bigfoot' and 'grey aliens', are all either hoaxes or delusions. Basically I don't believe that those two things even exist.

We have thousands of reports from credible witnesses, we also have thousands of pictures and many videos of these things you say don't exist. Can you see how far your skepticism has taken you from the truth of the matter.

 

[Dan1988]

I think life other than what is on Earth is quite likely, but it's probably very simple compared to us. I think that life forms similar to ourselves, with advanced societies, would be very rare.

But whatever the case, I doubt we're going to get to the answer by studying religion.

May I ask what you base your theory on, or do you just have just an overactive imagination.

 

[Speedwell]

May I ask what you base your theory on, or do you just have just an overactive imagination.

It's not a theory, merely a speculation. without hard evidence there can be no theory.

 

[durangodawood]

That depends on the book and the verse. Some things are simple enough for a small child "Do not steal", others are deep with layers. The Bible is a collection of 66 books containing a variety of literature types from historical narrative, laws/commands, poetry & song, wisdom, parables, letters and prophesy.

Thats how I've always looked at the Bible. But I was sternly lectured by an actual Christian about how wrong I was. I think you are right and he is wrong.

Because he wanted to? Can't God do what he wants?

Proverbs 16:4 The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.

Thats my understanding of the Christian position generally. Just "I wanted to" is not really what we mean by purpose. What is the purpose of creating an unfathomably vast range of other worlds? Are we sure that worlds of other God-intended beings are denied by the Bible?

 

[Strathos]

We have thousands of reports from credible witnesses, we also have thousands of pictures and many videos of these things you say don't exist. Can you see how far your skepticism has taken you from the truth of the matter.

What makes them 'credible'?

The famous Bigfoot video was admitted to be a man in a suit.

 

[jamesbond007]

I think that says more about you than me.

Don't change the subject. This subject of aliens as well as abiogenesis has to do with the religion of atheism as well as scientific atheism.

My main point was that you do not care if they do not find evidence for abiogenesis by the 2030s. Or intelligent aliens (highly unlikely now as there has been no communications). Most likely this won't change so you will die before anyone finds evidence of life outside of Earth or abiogenesis happening on Earth.

Your faith in no God or gods won't let you change even without the evidence of aliens and abiogenesis. The Bible says that it is because you believe you are "like God" with your belief and that's why it happens. This is the same for the atheist scientists. They won't accept God as part of its science and have eliminated him and the creation scientists from peer review. It happened to Adam and Eve when they were in heaven after creation.

Just think if NASA finds evidence of life below the surface of Mars during the 2030s. How much do you think the evolutionists would celebrate and hold it over the Christians and Bible literalists like me? It would be like the people worshipping the golden calf and having the most luxurious and scandalous celebration for all time. How many virgins will be "sacrificed" (not literally) that night?

 

[steve78]

I can't see how anyone can deny the truth when it has been proven beyond a shadow of doughty. .

It has not though. All we have is a very old book written to thousand years ago. We can't interview the likes of Noah and say, did it really happen like that.

 

[SelfSim]

Just think if NASA finds evidence of life below the surface of Mars during the 2030s. How much do you think the evolutionists would celebrate and hold it over the Christians and Bible literalists like me? It would be like the people worshipping the golden calf and having the most luxurious and scandalous celebration for all time. How many virgins will be "sacrificed" (not literally) that night?

Such a weak position .. to be led by your fears of what might happen.

I, for one, don't have a clue what you mean by 'evolutionist' in the first place.
NASA isn't led by having to find exo-life in order to justify the principle of evolution.

 

[steve78]

I think life other than what is on Earth is quite likely, but it's probably very simple compared to us. I think that life forms similar to ourselves, with advanced societies, would be very rare.

But whatever the case, I doubt we're going to get to the answer by studying religion.

Actually i think advanced societies are pretty common. Based on what we know so far about exo planets there are likely something like 100,000 earths in the milky way alone.

 

[steve78]

Don't change the subject. This subject of aliens as well as abiogenesis has to do with the religion of atheism as well as scientific atheism.

The moment humanity finally discovers its not alone in the universe it comes out of the dark age of religion and the supernatural.

Humanity will grow up.

 

[SelfSim]

Based on what we know so far about exo planets there are likely something like 100,000 earths in the milky way alone.

How strange!
'Earth' at present, has only one meaning .. and that meaning refers to the planet we find ourselves dwelling on.

 

[steve78]

How strange!
'Earth' at present, has only one meaning .. and that meaning refers to the planet we find ourselves dwelling on.

Not exactly. The term is well used by scientists to describe other planets that may have the potential for life, for example its the right distance from its star and it may have water or other ingredients vital for life.

All the stars, planets and galaxies that can be seen today make up just 4 percent of the universe. Therefore light from MOST of the galaxies in the universe has not yet had time to reach us.

 

[SelfSim]

Not exactly. The term is well used by scientists to describe other planets that may have the potential for life, for example its the right distance from its star and it may have water or other ingredients vital for life.

You mean: 'Earth-like' and not 'earths'. I suggest you clarify that.

All the stars, planets and galaxies that can be seen today make up just 4 percent of the universe. Therefore light from MOST of the galaxies in the universe has not yet had time to reach us.

You confuse observable universe with inferred universe beyond that. Where light has not reached us from some galaxy, it will not yet be part of the testably observable universe, will it?.
I suggest you clarify that.

 

[Ophiolite]

This subject of aliens as well as abiogenesis has to do with the religion of atheism as well as scientific atheism.

Just as there is no religion of people who don't like broccoli and no religion of people who do not believ ein UFOs, so there is no religion of atheism, except in your mind.

Most likely this won't change so you will die before anyone finds evidence of life outside of Earth or abiogenesis happening on Earth.

Which, contrary to your expectation, I shall find disappointint, but not unsurprising. Of course we have evidence of abiogenesis having happened on Earth, but you prefer to ignore it.

Your faith in no God or gods won't let you change even without the evidence of aliens and abiogenesis.

I'm not sure if that is a double negative, a triple negative, or just vacuous nonsense.

This is the same for the atheist scientists. They won't accept God as part of its science and have eliminated him and the creation scientists from peer review

Methodological naturalism is not the same as atheistic naturalism.

Just think if NASA finds evidence of life below the surface of Mars during the 2030s. How much do you think the evolutionists would celebrate and hold it over the Christians and Bible literalists like me?

If we find life on Mars we shall have much more important things to do than pay heed to the ill informed rantings of a cult like minority.

 

[jamesbond007]

The moment humanity finally discovers its not alone in the universe it comes out of the dark age of religion and the supernatural.

Humanity will grow up.

My point still holds until what you say happens which could be never. It doesn't matter that we do not discover evidence for aliens or abiogenesis. The atheists and their scientists will continue to believe in the existence of aliens and abiogenesis even if they die without knowing. This is because of their faith in atheism or no God/gods. IOW, it's all religious based. Not on any rational thinking and behavior.

Back to your points in your post. The creationists and creation scientists have grown up and so far the evidence backs us up. The intelligent alien theories of Drake's Equation and Fermi Paradox shows that we would've made contact already even if it wouldn't be a physical one. The Great Filter theory explains that something could've happened to them or that we are the only intelligent ones alive.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Don't change the subject. This subject of aliens as well as abiogenesis has to do with the religion of atheism as well as scientific atheism.

Atheism isn't a religion, it's a lack of religion, just like not being in prison isn't a kind of imprisonment, or not believing in conspiracy theories isn't being a conspiracy theorist.

Scientists of many faiths work on the search for extra-terrestrial life, and on abiogenesis, so real-world evidence falsifies your claim.

My main point was that you do not care if they do not find evidence for abiogenesis by the 2030s.

Or intelligent aliens (highly unlikely now as there has been no communications). Most likely this won't change so you will die before anyone finds evidence of life outside of Earth or abiogenesis happening on Earth.

You may have missed the part where I said, "I care about finding evidence of life elsewhere".

Your faith in no God or gods won't let you change even without the evidence of aliens and abiogenesis.

I don't 'have faith' in there being no god or gods; there may or may not be a god or gods - I simply don't have reason to believe in them - just as you presumably don't believe in any of the other gods people have believed through history.

The Bible says that it is because you believe you are "like God" with your belief and that's why it happens.

It's sad that you have to distort your view of the world so much to fit what you think the bible says that you can no longer distinguish belief from non-belief.

Just think if NASA finds evidence of life below the surface of Mars during the 2030s. How much do you think the evolutionists would celebrate and hold it over the Christians and Bible literalists like me?

Well if they do, no doubt there will be a few that will gloat, but you'll be glad to know that the vast majority won't give Bible literalists a thought - most that I know find it hard to believe bible literalists really exist - and, of course, a majority of Christians will be celebrating the discovery with the rest of us. Perhaps some will even feel sorry for bible literalists. I hope that puts your mind at rest.

 

[jamesbond007]

Such a weak position .. to be led by your fears of what might happen.

It's not a fear, but more an imagining of a possible future event.

I, for one, don't have a clue what you mean by 'evolutionist' in the first place.

Egads, it's not that difficult -- Medical Definition of EVOLUTIONIST.

NASA isn't led by having to find exo-life in order to justify the principle of evolution.

Where on nasa.gov do you get your statement?

To the contrary, NASA is planning to visit planets with manned explorations in the 2030s. We cannot colonize Mars because of no magnetic field. They're afraid of sending humans there because of the solar wind which can hurt or kill them, but they're taking that chance to find evidence of life or past life.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

My point still holds until what you say happens which could be never. It doesn't matter that we do not discover evidence for aliens or abiogenesis. The atheists and their scientists will continue to believe in the existence of aliens and abiogenesis even if they die without knowing. This is because of their faith in atheism or no God/gods. IOW, it's all religious based. Not on any rational thinking and behavior.

So much projection...