Separation from the world.

[Xeno.of.athens]

Is your political commitment consistent with your Christian faith?

### **1. Jesus’ direct teaching**
- **John 17:14–16** — Jesus says of His disciples:
*“They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.”*
This is the strongest and most explicit statement. The contrast is ontological (belonging), not geographical.

- **John 15:19** —
*“If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world… therefore the world hates you.”*
Here “world” means the fallen order opposed to God.

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### **2. The apostles’ teaching**
- **Philippians 3:20** —
*“Our citizenship is in heaven.”*
Paul frames Christian identity in political‑legal terms: our true *politeuma* (commonwealth) is not earthly.

- **1 Peter 2:11** —
Christians are *“strangers and pilgrims”* (paroikoi and parepidēmoi).
These are technical terms for resident aliens — people living in a place where they do not hold primary citizenship.

- **Colossians 1:13** —
Believers have been *“transferred from the power of darkness into the kingdom of His beloved Son.”*
A change of jurisdiction; Christians no longer belong to the old world-order.

---

### **3. Moral separation from the world**
- **Romans 12:2** —
*“Do not be conformed to this world.”*
The Christian life is non‑conformity to the world’s patterns.

- **1 John 2:15–17** —
*“Do not love the world or the things in the world.”*
John contrasts the world’s desires with the will of God.

- **James 4:4** —
*“Friendship with the world is enmity with God.”*
Again, “world” = the fallen moral order.

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### **4. Theological summary**
Scripture teaches two simultaneous truths:

1. **Christians live *in* the world** (John 17:15).
2. **Christians do not belong *to* the world** (John 17:16).

Catholic theology expresses this as the distinction between:
- **the temporal order** (where Christians live and work), and
- **the supernatural order** (to which they truly belong).

 

[th1bill]

Yashua sends us out to influence the World to become like Him, there is no greater influence than people in and influencing the government. Your posted references, when read in the light of all Scripture do not teach the division you are promoting here.

 

[BobRyan]

Is your political commitment consistent with your Christian faith?

### **1. Jesus’ direct teaching**
- **John 17:14–16** — Jesus says of His disciples:
*“They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.”*
This is the strongest and most explicit statement. The contrast is ontological (belonging), not geographical.

- **John 15:19** —
*“If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world… therefore the world hates you.”*
Here “world” means the fallen order opposed to God.

---

### **2. The apostles’ teaching**
- **Philippians 3:20** —
*“Our citizenship is in heaven.”*
Paul frames Christian identity in political‑legal terms: our true *politeuma* (commonwealth) is not earthly.

- **1 Peter 2:11** —
Christians are *“strangers and pilgrims”* (paroikoi and parepidēmoi).
These are technical terms for resident aliens — people living in a place where they do not hold primary citizenship.

- **Colossians 1:13** —
Believers have been *“transferred from the power of darkness into the kingdom of His beloved Son.”*
A change of jurisdiction; Christians no longer belong to the old world-order.

---

### **3. Moral separation from the world**
- **Romans 12:2** —
*“Do not be conformed to this world.”*
The Christian life is non‑conformity to the world’s patterns.

- **1 John 2:15–17** —
*“Do not love the world or the things in the world.”*
John contrasts the world’s desires with the will of God.

- **James 4:4** —
*“Friendship with the world is enmity with God.”*
Again, “world” = the fallen moral order.

---

### **4. Theological summary**
Scripture teaches two simultaneous truths:

1. **Christians live *in* the world** (John 17:15).
2. **Christians do not belong *to* the world** (John 17:16).

I believe all conservative denominations would affirm the above in one form or another. Maybe others would affirm it as well

 

[Matt5]

Is your political commitment consistent with your Christian faith?

### **1. Jesus’ direct teaching**
- **John 17:14–16** — Jesus says of His disciples:
*“They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.”*
This is the strongest and most explicit statement. The contrast is ontological (belonging), not geographical.

- **John 15:19** —
*“If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world… therefore the world hates you.”*
Here “world” means the fallen order opposed to God.

---

### **2. The apostles’ teaching**
- **Philippians 3:20** —
*“Our citizenship is in heaven.”*
Paul frames Christian identity in political‑legal terms: our true *politeuma* (commonwealth) is not earthly.

- **1 Peter 2:11** —
Christians are *“strangers and pilgrims”* (paroikoi and parepidēmoi).
These are technical terms for resident aliens — people living in a place where they do not hold primary citizenship.

- **Colossians 1:13** —
Believers have been *“transferred from the power of darkness into the kingdom of His beloved Son.”*
A change of jurisdiction; Christians no longer belong to the old world-order.

---

### **3. Moral separation from the world**
- **Romans 12:2** —
*“Do not be conformed to this world.”*
The Christian life is non‑conformity to the world’s patterns.

- **1 John 2:15–17** —
*“Do not love the world or the things in the world.”*
John contrasts the world’s desires with the will of God.

- **James 4:4** —
*“Friendship with the world is enmity with God.”*
Again, “world” = the fallen moral order.

---

### **4. Theological summary**
Scripture teaches two simultaneous truths:

1. **Christians live *in* the world** (John 17:15).
2. **Christians do not belong *to* the world** (John 17:16).

Catholic theology expresses this as the distinction between:
- **the temporal order** (where Christians live and work), and
- **the supernatural order** (to which they truly belong).

Yes, but ... .

Christianity as practiced in the West today bends one knee to the religion of equality. The world loves equality and so do most Christians.

But what does equality mean?

Note: You are not in charge, and your definition doesn't count.

Based on what we can see with our own two eyes, it means this:

1. When men and women are equal, women rule. And they do. Women decide what will be.
2. Everybody gets equal stuff.
3. Everybody is good. People only behave badly when provoked by others.
4. Men and women are literally the same. Hence, as women focus on their careers, it is the job of men to have the babies.
5. All countries equal. Hence, immigration and climate change wealth redistribution.
6. Immigration into the West is the most important thing in the world.

Equality means utter wreckage to the world we know.