Do Aliens Exist?

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

However, there won't be any aliens because God didn't create any. If there was, then it would cause Christians trouble.

Why?

Anyway, the science of atheism wants to do that and show there are aliens. It's one reason why they want to find any evidence of life.

Not really, no.

Also, they want to find another planet like ours so we can colonize it.

That's pure science fiction. No competent scientist thinks that's a serious possibility.

The Drake Equation shows that there should've been life discovered already.

No, it doesn't - you may be thinking of the Fermi Paradox. The parameters for the Drake Equation are so uncertain that you can get any numbers you like out of it, from zero to billions. The latest Drake Equation effort suggests between four and 211 civilisations in the Milky Way today capable of communicating with others, with 36 the most likely figure. But it's speculation based on a sample of one - us. Even with 211 technical civilizations out of up to 100 to 400 billion stars, the galaxy is so large it would be extremely unlikely that they would detect each other; we can't even see all of the galaxy for gas and dust.

 

[durangodawood]

I am talking about ET's landing on the earth. If this ever happens It will be demonic.
As to lower life forms on other planets, I doubt that 99.9% Because why would God do that when he already made 1 cell life forms here.



Like I said the Bible doesn't say "Watch out for aliens" It just says that there will be deception and lieing signs and wonders and as such its up to us to be on our gaurd against such things. To test the spirits.

Test the Spirits
4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God.

I'm still not seeing your Biblical evidence for that. Instead I'm seeing a generic warning that might apply to any being we may encounter. Of course that doesnt mean all beings are demonic whether terrestrial or otherwise.

 

[coffee4u]

I'm still not seeing your Biblical evidence for that. Instead I'm seeing a generic warning that might apply to any being we may encounter. Of course that doesnt mean all beings are demonic whether terrestrial or otherwise.

I'm not trying to give you evidence, this is a warning to Christians to test the spirits to use discernment in all things.

 

[durangodawood]

I'm not trying to give you evidence, this is a warning to Christians to test the spirits to use discernment in all things.

I see. So you aren't denying the possibility of intelligent alien non-demonic being?

 

[coffee4u]

I see. So you aren't denying the possibility of intelligent alien non-demonic being?

Any intelligent life that lands here supposedly from Outer space will be a demonic deception.

That is just one possible way the demonic deception may take place, instead it could take some other form, but there will be one. Which is why Christians need to be awake and alert because it will need spiritual discernment. Since you are not a Christian I am wondering why you keep replying to what I am saying.

 

[Strathos]

Any intelligent life that lands here supposedly from Outer space

I don't think that's going to happen.

 

[coffee4u]

I don't think that's going to happen.

It may well not, I am only saying if it does.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I'm not trying to give you evidence, this is a warning to Christians to test the spirits to use discernment in all things.

So how would you "test the spirits"?

 

[jamesbond007]

Just repeating yourself asserting that you are right and making up falsehoods about me isn't convincing.

There is no logical way for us to colonise another Earth like planet. In fact just having the technology required to do so totally removes the need.

People want to explore the universe to find alien life out of a sense of discovery and wonder.

I don't want to give the impression that I just spout assertions. Those can be easily dismissed with evidence. I think it goes to show the things you ignore because it strikes at the core of your atheism. I even stated that finding aliens would be troubling for Christians. Jesus didn't die to save aliens. Would finding aliens be a death blow to Christianity? No. It would probably give some evidence for abiogenesis though. Anyway, none of this appeals as science to you so I'll bid you adieu.

For those more science minded, I pointed out the science of Drake's Equation which Fermi's Paradox was based on as well as the Great Filter theory. These theories lead to Fine Tuning parameters, but that has been hidden by the atheist scientists led by the late Stephen Hawking. It was he and his science group while looking for more evidence for the Big Bang theory and better description of the BB that found these parameters. However, the fine tuning helped the other side, so any evidence was eventually scrubbed from the internet. I think it was still there from 2007 - 2011 timeframe. These findings led to changes in atheist cosmology like the multiverses in the 2010s.

 

[Shemjaza]

I don't want to give the impression that I just spout assertions. Those can be easily dismissed with evidence. I think it goes to show the things you ignore because it strikes at the core of your atheism. I even stated that finding aliens would be troubling for Christians. Jesus didn't die to save aliens. Would finding aliens be a death blow to Christianity? No. It would probably give some evidence for abiogenesis though. Anyway, none of this appeals as science to you so I'll bid you adieu.

For those more science minded, I pointed out the science of Drake's Equation which Fermi's Paradox was based on as well as the Great Filter theory. These theories lead to Fine Tuning parameters, but that has been hidden by the atheist scientists led by the late Stephen Hawking. It was he and his science group while looking for more evidence for the Big Bang theory and better description of the BB that found these parameters. However, the fine tuning helped the other side, so any evidence was eventually scrubbed from the internet. I think it was still there from 2007 - 2011 timeframe. These findings led to changes in atheist cosmology like the multiverses in the 2010s.

It isn't the responsibility of people you are asserting to find evidence against your ideas, it's your responsibility to back them up... something you haven't been doing.

Drake's Equation is a cute thought experiment... but it's an extrapolation from exactly one data point. And there are many different interpretations.

Fermi's Paradox is a consequence of the conclusion that there should be a multitude of visible alien races... something I don't think is a reasonable conclusion.

As to your conspiracy theories about atheist cover ups... that's just silly.

 

[jamesbond007]

Why?

As I stated in my previous answer, it would be more evidence for abiogenesis and that Jesus didn't die for aliens. God didn't create aliens.

Not really, no.

That's hard for me to believe because NASA, an atheist science organization, is spending taxpayers' millions to find evidence of past life or life on Mars and probably would be looking at Europa next. I suppose you slept through the recent Mars rover news and videos from your answer. It also leads to discussions of being able to colonize these places. In the past, the moon has been discarded. I suppose you slept through the recent Mars rover news and videos.

That's pure science fiction. No competent scientist thinks that's a serious possibility.

Great, Then we agree on that God created such a wonderful and perfect place like Earth and its solar system so that we can enjoy it and watch the glory of God until the sixth seal is opened, i.e. extinction event. Even Elon Musk stated that if we either become multiplanetary or die of an extinction event on Earth. I don't think we will.

No, it doesn't - you may be thinking of the Fermi Paradox. The parameters for the Drake Equation are so uncertain that you can get any numbers you like out of it, from zero to billions. The latest Drake Equation effort suggests between four and 211 civilisations in the Milky Way today capable of communicating with others, with 36 the most likely figure. But it's speculation based on a sample of one - us. Even with 211 technical civilizations out of up to 100 to 400 billion stars, the galaxy is so large it would be extremely unlikely that they would detect each other; we can't even see all of the galaxy for gas and dust.

I think in the past, we have generally thought of aliens as sentient life forms. Our science fiction is full of it. So when we thought of aliens in science, we thought of these more advanced life forms like us. Look at SETI which was formed from the government at first, then publicly funded, and now shut down in 2020. It's more evidence for NO ALIENS .

Drake Equation theory founder, Frank Drake, created a method for estimating the number of extraterrestrial civilizations in the galaxy using math. This was before what we know today, so I'm covering ground assuming that these aliens can be found.

As for your extremely unlikely to detect other life forms due to the number of stars and galaxies statement, isn't it just more circular reasoning? It was the reason I was given at the start when scientists started to look for aliens. They had to exist because of the number of stars and galaxies. Now, you're saying it's the reason for not finding aliens .

I think it's just a way to avoid the science that we do have.

 

[Ophiolite]

As I stated in my previous answer, it would be more evidence for abiogenesis and that Jesus didn't die for aliens. God didn't create aliens.



That's hard for me to believe because NASA, an atheist science organization, is spending taxpayers' millions to find evidence of past life or life on Mars and probably would be looking at Europa next. I suppose you slept through the recent Mars rover news and videos from your answer. It also leads to discussions of being able to colonize these places. In the past, the moon has been discarded. I suppose you slept through the recent Mars rover news and videos.



Great, Then we agree on that God created such a wonderful and perfect place like Earth and its solar system so that we can enjoy it and watch the glory of God until the sixth seal is opened, i.e. extinction event. Even Elon Musk stated that if we either become multiplanetary or die of an extinction event on Earth. I don't think we will.



I think in the past, we have generally thought of aliens as sentient life forms. Our science fiction is full of it. So when we thought of aliens in science, we thought of these more advanced life forms like us. Look at SETI which was formed from the government at first, then publicly funded, and now shut down in 2020. It's more evidence for NO ALIENS .

Drake Equation theory founder, Frank Drake, created a method for estimating the number of extraterrestrial civilizations in the galaxy using math. This was before what we know today, so I'm covering ground assuming that these aliens can be found.

As for your extremely unlikely to detect other life forms due to the number of stars and galaxies statement, isn't it just more circular reasoning? It was the reason I was given at the start when scientists started to look for aliens. They had to exist because of the number of stars and galaxies. Now, you're saying it's the reason for not finding aliens .

I think it's just a way to avoid the science that we do have.

I was going to refute your post, until I realised its internal contradictions and faulty logic do that quite adequately. The specifics I leave for the student.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

As I stated in my previous answer, it would be more evidence for abiogenesis and that Jesus didn't die for aliens.

But why would that be a problem for Christians? Many Christians accept abiogenesis and the possibility of alien life.

Whether potential intelligent alien life might be 'saved' or not seems a moot point.

That's hard for me to believe because NASA, an atheist science organization, is spending taxpayers' millions to find evidence of past life or life on Mars and probably would be looking at Europa next.

NASA isn't atheist or Christian, it's secular - there are people of many faiths, including Christians, working for it (including astronauts).

I suppose you slept through the recent Mars rover news and videos from your answer.

No. Your powers of supposition fail you.

It also leads to discussions of being able to colonize these places. In the past, the moon has been discarded.

Speculations of colonising the moon, and/or planets have been around for hundreds of years, with differing opinions on the feasibility.

I suppose you slept through the recent Mars rover news and videos.

No. See above.

Great, Then we agree on that God created such a wonderful and perfect place like Earth and its solar system so that we can enjoy it and watch the glory of God until the sixth seal is opened, i.e. extinction event.

Nope; that's a major non-sequitur - your powers of logic fail you.

Even Elon Musk stated that if we either become multiplanetary or die of an extinction event on Earth.

Even Elon Musk doesn't think there's a reasonable prospect of colonising 'another planet like ours' - that's why he's focused on Mars.

I think in the past, we have generally thought of aliens as sentient life forms. Our science fiction is full of it. So when we thought of aliens in science, we thought of these more advanced life forms like us. Look at SETI which was formed from the government at first, then publicly funded, and now shut down in 2020.

That's not correct. Intelligent aliens, or 'little green men', may have been the leading folk-science idea, but scientists and even enthusiast amateurs always knew that if any alien life existed, intelligent life was likely to be a tiny subset of it. SETI (originally Frank Drake's project) was looking for signals from intelligent life partly because that was Drake's abiding interest, and partly because it was the only feasible means of detecting life elsewhere at the time.

SETI is still going strong - there are probably more SETI projects now than ever. I'm not optimistic about their chances of success, but it's cheap compared to other exploratory efforts, so - meh.

It's more evidence for NO ALIENS.

It's just evidence that we haven't found any in our back yard making the kind of signals we're looking for.

As for your extremely unlikely to detect other life forms due to the number of stars and galaxies statement, isn't it just more circular reasoning? It was the reason I was given at the start when scientists started to look for aliens. They had to exist because of the number of stars and galaxies. Now, you're saying it's the reason for not finding aliens .I think it's just a way to avoid the science that we do have.

No; the argument is that, statistically, that even if there are as many instances of intelligent life in our galaxy as the highest number the recent Drake Equation calculation suggests, the average distance between stars is so large that the chances of two technologically advanced civilizations sharing the same level of development and broadcast signalling technologies being close enough to detect each other's signals is very small.

211 civilizations in ~100 billion stars means one for every ~474 million stars - which are, on average, ~5 light years apart.

 

[jamesbond007]

But why would that be a problem for Christians? Many Christians accept abiogenesis and the possibility of alien life.

Whether potential intelligent alien life might be 'saved' or not seems a moot point.

Not really.

 

[sjastro]

Since the concept of "intelligent" alien life has been raised; the potential number of technologically advanced civilizations depends on which discipline gives the answer.
The astronomy answer via the Drake equation would suggest the number can be fairly high.
From an evolutionary biology perspective given it took over 4 billion years for "intelligent" life to evolve on Earth in a Universe which is around 14 billion years old, the Universe may not be old enough to contain many advanced civilizations.

 

[jamesbond007]

NASA isn't atheist or Christian, it's secular - there are people of many faiths, including Christians, working for it (including astronauts).

Nah, it's an atheist organization. That's what most, if not all secular organizations have become. What was the point of going to Mars again?

Right Conditions for Life

NASA's Opportunity Rover Mission on Mars Comes to End – NASA’s Mars Exploration Program

I guess you did sleep through.

What do we have in store for 2020?

Mars 2020 Perseverance Rover

The above is another hint. Maybe you won't sleep through this time.

Your powers of supposition fail you.

Haha. You should've been telling me about the Rover missions.

Even Elon Musk doesn't think there's a reasonable prospect of colonising 'another planet like ours' - that's why he's focused on Mars.

That's not what my statement from him said. Do you have a statement from him about not colonizing?

Or NASA stating not colonizing Mars, Europa, an asterioid, or another heavenly body?

If not, then you are making giant assertions.

That's not correct. Intelligent aliens, or 'little green men', may have been the leading folk-science idea, but scientists and even enthusiast amateurs always knew that if any alien life existed, intelligent life was likely to be a tiny subset of it. SETI (originally Frank Drake's project) was looking for signals from intelligent life partly because that was Drake's abiding interest, and partly because it was the only feasible means of detecting life elsewhere at the time.

SETI is still going strong - there are probably more SETI projects now than ever. I'm not optimistic about their chances of success, but it's cheap compared to other exploratory efforts, so - meh.

Don't think so. I've seen and enjoyed too many aliens movies. Have you any evidence for your statements from SETI, NASA, Hollywood, or other social media? Please provide it or you are making assertions again.

My bad. I celebrated too early. I hope to see SETI sell their telescopes in 2021. What a waste, but I suppose they have to keep up the illusion for NASA.

It's just evidence that we haven't found any in our back yard making the kind of signals we're looking for.

Denial is a river in Egypt .

No; the argument is that, statistically, that even if there are as many instances of intelligent life in our galaxy as the highest number the recent Drake Equation calculation suggests, the average distance between stars is so large that the chances of two technologically advanced civilizations sharing the same level of development and broadcast signalling technologies being close enough to detect each other's signals is very small.

211 civilizations in ~100 billion stars means one for every ~474 million stars - which are, on average, ~5 light years apart.

Got any evidence for your contradicting statements? It seems you agree with me that we shouldn't fund NASA so much money. IOW, it's not a priority.

 

[Ophiolite]

Nah, it's an atheist organization.

Given that you are this misguided, or this committed to trolling, the rest of your post can be safely ignored. What a waste of photons!

 

[durangodawood]

Any intelligent life that lands here supposedly from Outer space will be a demonic deception....

What I'd like to know is.... how you know this. If it written in the Bible, I'd like to know where.

I understand that Christians should test all potential spirits. I dont see where its written that all apparent aliens will fail this test.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Not really.

Not really a moot point? Why?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

What was the point of going to Mars again?

See Mars exploration program.

That's not what my statement from him said. Do you have a statement from him about not colonizing?

He's not stupid - he knows there's not another planet 'like ours' for at least 4 light years - probably much further. That's why he's focusing on Mars.

Or NASA stating not colonizing Mars, Europa, an asterioid, or another heavenly body?

Who said that?

Have you any evidence for your statements from SETI, NASA, Hollywood, or other social media? Please provide it or you are making assertions again.

See SETI 2020.

It seems you agree with me that we shouldn't fund NASA so much money. IOW, it's not a priority.

Meh - it seems I don't agree with you on NASA's funding.