Dinosaurs on the Ark?

[Job 33:6]

Easy. (if you can find a scientist to whom it has been revealed).
But first, why would the flood have to be what caused such a sequence ?
i.e. not all the sequences were caused by the flood.
All of them present were obviously covered by the flood,
but no requirement there for them to be caused by the flood.

Just out of curiosity, you said "easy", is that to say you have an explanation?

 

[RGW00]

No dinosaurs could have been on that ark. If there were they would be here today. However, the Bible does say every kind of animal and it doesn't discount dinosaurs. It could have been after the flood and hunters killed them all and they became extinct down the line.

 

[AV1611VET]

No dinosaurs could have been on that ark. If there were they would be here today. However, the Bible does say every kind of animal and it doesn't discount dinosaurs. It could have been after the flood and hunters killed them all and they became extinct down the line.

They went extinct.

 

[HighCherub]

The dinosaurs would have kept man from ever becoming a civilization to begin with.

You can swing a torch in a wolf's face and maybe scare it away.
But
Try doing it to a T Rex

 

[AV1611VET]

The dinosaurs would have kept man from ever becoming a civilization to begin with.

Not so.

The Rexes ended up in [what is now] North America, whereas the Noahs were in [what is now] Mesopotamia ... thousands of miles apart.

Expecting to see human footprints alongside man-eating dinosaur footprints would be extremely rare ... if not downright nonexistent.

 

[CoolDude68]

Some say the great beasts were created and destroyed by God before man. Nevertheless, they existed at some point. Logic has me to believe they never coexisted with man.

 

[AV1611VET]

Some say the great beasts were created and destroyed by God before man. Nevertheless, they existed at some point. Logic has me to believe they never coexisted with man.

Why does Job mention them then? and what were the satyrs?

 

[CoolDude68]

Oh, I don't know. I was just giving an example of how some view it that's all. I don't know a lot yet but I don't see how they coexisted.

 

[Lily of Valleys]

Not sure if you have one and could share but, I am hoping to get a Greek Bible sometime soon (and by soon I mean like later today). I am curious if a Greek reading of scripture might lead us to the same conclusions as say an ESV or a KJV.

For your information, most of the Old Testaments were originally written in ancient Hebrew, not Greek. Here is a literal word for word mechanical translation of the Hebrew text of Genesis 6:17:

וַאֲנִׁי הִׁנְּנִׁי מֵבִׁיא אֶת הַמַבוּל מַיִׁם עַל הָּאָרֶץ לְּשַחֵת כָּל בָּשָּׂר 6:17
אֲשֶר בוֹ רוּחַ חַיִׁים מִׁתַחַת הַשָּמָּיִׁם כֹל אֲשֶר בָּאָרֶץ יִׁגְּוָּע

and~ I Look~ me make~ Come~ ing(ms)
At the~ Flood Water~ s2 Upon the~
Land to~ >~ much~ Damage All Flesh
Which in~ him Wind Life~ s from~
Under the~ Sky~ s2 All Which in~
the~ Land he~ will~ Expire

and here am I, I am making the
flood of water come upon the land
to do much damage to all of the
flesh which has in him the wind of
life from under the sky, all of the
ones which are in the land will
expire,

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NASB translation:
Behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish.

Other translations:
Genesis 6:17 - Bible Gateway

 

[Lily of Valleys]

1.What would satan achieve by misleading someone about Gods creation?

It depends on what you mean by "God's creation". If you mean to mislead people into thinking there was a global flood while there actually wasn't any, I don't think Satan could actually achieve anything. Why? When you look at how Satan first deceived Eve into eating the forbidden fruit, what did Satan want to achieve? He wanted to deceive Eve into disobeying God therefore led to mankind being alienated from God. What was Satan's tactic? Casting doubt in Eve's mind about God's word:

“Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” (Genesis 3:1)
“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. (Genesis 3:4)

So the question now becomes, would Satan be able to achieve anything by making you have faith in science (human wisdom) over faith in God's word?

Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’” (Matthew 4:4)

2. And would believing in an old earth cast doubt or lead people to disbelieve, or bring them to God? For me, I believe it has led me to God. But that's just me I suppose.

I guess answer is similar to above. Believing in either an old earth or young earth wouldn't make you gain or lose salvation, nor would it make you disobey God, unless you choose to do so.

 

[Lily of Valleys]

I would like to say though, lily of the Valleys post.

I think a question of if an idea leads someone to or away from God, ought to take priority over what that view might be. And while in my personal opinion, I might now think a particular view brings myself toward God, if it did bring someone else toward God, then that's more Glory for Him, and I wouldn't oppose that scenario, regardless of how it occurred.

I guess the question is, whether that view would cause you to distrust the rest of the Bible to be God's word. If it does, it would be something Satan would like to see, to cut us away from the word of God, which is the sword of the Spirit, the only weapon in the full armor of God against the devil's schemes that is for attack instead of defense. And that was what Jesus used against Satan when He was being tempted by the Devil three times in the wilderness.

Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. (Ephesians 6:17)

 

[-57]

Some say the great beasts were created and destroyed by God before man. Nevertheless, they existed at some point. Logic has me to believe they never coexisted with man.

Hey CoolDude,
The dinosaurs were drowned and buried during the world wide flood of Noah...they became fossils.

Some of the dinosaurs representing their kinds were brought on board the ark...they later got off the ark.

 

[Rubiks]

Wouldn't young-earth-creationists believe Noah took dinosaurs onto the ark? isn't a dinosaur a "kind" of animal. Did God ever say not to bring dinosaurs onto the ark?

 

[-57]

Oh, I don't know. I was just giving an example of how some view it that's all. I don't know a lot yet but I don't see how they coexisted.

You might want to visit this site...Ancient dino depections....excellent site.

 

[Eryk]

Wouldn't young-earth-creationists believe Noah took dinosaurs onto the ark? isn't a dinosaur a "kind" of animal.

Yes, the Bible says two of every kind and seven of the "clean" animals. The dinosaur kinds were on the ark.

 

[-57]

Wouldn't young-earth-creationists believe Noah took dinosaurs onto the ark? isn't a dinosaur a "kind" of animal. Did God ever say not to bring dinosaurs onto the ark?

That would be true. Here's what the bible has to say....
Gen 6: 19 And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every sort into the ark to keep them alive with you. They shall be male and female. 20 Of the birds according to their kinds, and of the animals according to their kinds, of every creeping thing of the ground, according to its kind, two of every sort shall come in to you to keep them alive.

Dinosaurs would fit that description.

 

[Job 33:6]

For your information, most of the Old Testaments were originally written in ancient Hebrew, not Greek. Here is a literal word for word mechanical translation of the Hebrew text of Genesis 6:17:

וַאֲנִׁי הִׁנְּנִׁי מֵבִׁיא אֶת הַמַבוּל מַיִׁם עַל הָּאָרֶץ לְּשַחֵת כָּל בָּשָּׂר 6:17
אֲשֶר בוֹ רוּחַ חַיִׁים מִׁתַחַת הַשָּמָּיִׁם כֹל אֲשֶר בָּאָרֶץ יִׁגְּוָּע

and~ I Look~ me make~ Come~ ing(ms)
At the~ Flood Water~ s2 Upon the~
Land to~ >~ much~ Damage All Flesh
Which in~ him Wind Life~ s from~
Under the~ Sky~ s2 All Which in~
the~ Land he~ will~ Expire

and here am I, I am making the
flood of water come upon the land
to do much damage to all of the
flesh which has in him the wind of
life from under the sky, all of the
ones which are in the land will
expire,

MT of the Torah - Home Page

The whole book of Genesis can be downloaded here:
Special Free Offer

NASB translation:
Behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish.

Other translations:
Genesis 6:17 - Bible Gateway

thanks for sharing, this is good stuff!

I have a question. And I know many people have asked this question before, but this is my first time reading the hebrew. The ark is said to be 300 cubits in length, which i translated to about 500 feet, about 50 feet tall and 50 feet wide.

Now i just looked out my window and took a quick look at google earth to confirm. 500 feet really isnt that long. If I took my immediate family and we stood holding hands, we could potentially span 500 feet. Im not making this up, it sincerely just isnt that long of a distance. And 50 feet isnt that high either.

Here is the MS Harmony. A cruise ship with a capacity of 6800 people. It is over twice as long as the ark. If it were half the length, we might think that it holds around 3500 people. And it is taller than 50 feet. It has at least 15 levels. At 7 feet per level (which is a conservative estimate) its perhaps twice as tall as the ark. Its about the same width.

MS Harmony of the Seas - Wikipedia

So why, and this is sincere, why would noahs ark, which is big for say a fishing boat, it really isnt that big, why would people believe that 2 of every animal from all over the world, could fit onto a boat half the size of a cruise ship? Two elephants and the food to feed them alone would take up a significant portion of the ship. Throw in some giraffes, gorillas, lions, tigers, bears, rhinos, bison, horses, alligators, and already i would likely be out of space.

The story just has to be allegorical or it has to exist in some way other than a literal global flood. And there are megafauna as well, hunted by people, animals far larger than elephants.
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Anyway, so, how did the animals fit? Some say, well God did something to make them fit, we dont really know how.

How did the animals then disperse back home? Like how did marsupials collect in australia? And im not making this up, one guy (the only guy who responded here on Christian Forums) said God teleported them.

Well where is the geologic evidence (see my NY example), response: well its juts not there, but the flood did happen.
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How many questions are we left without answers before we sit and say, you know what, maybe there is something incorrect about this interpretation of a literal flood.

Then when you turn to an old earth view, and consider the story of noahs ark alternatively, perhaps allegorical, all of these questions are answered.

And an update, one guy thinks dinosaurs were on the ark, you could not fit a brachiosaurus on an ark. And since we have several different species of brachiosaurs, even if you somehow could fit 1, (excluding a mate), you couldnt fit them all.

Unless you start moving toward weird ideas about only baby animals being on the ark. But these baby animals arent going to walk the earth to get to the ark.

In hebrew it says thbia, you or thou, God told Noah to collect these animals, and take thou unto thee all food that is eaten.

So, somehow you have armies of baby animals with food of their individual diets tied to their backs, walking thousands of miles to fit onto a boat that they cant fit on.

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So the story turns into God teleporting them onto the ship, teleporting them off the ship, the flood comes and goes and as seen in my NY example, no evidence is left.


This is just crazy...this isnt scripture, this is mankind misunderstanding scripture.

 

[-57]

thanks for sharing, this is good stuff!

I have a question. And I know many people have asked this question before, but this is my first time reading the hebrew. The ark is said to be 300 cubits in length, which i translated to about 500 feet, about 50 feet tall and 50 feet wide.

Now i just looked out my window and took a quick look at google earth to confirm. 500 feet really isnt that long. If I took my immediate family and we stood holding hands, we could potentially span 500 feet. Im not making this up, it sincerely just isnt that long of a distance. And 50 feet isnt that high either.

Here is the MS Harmony. A cruise ship with a capacity of 6800 people. It is over twice as long as the ark. If it were half the length, we might think that it holds around 3500 people. And it is taller than 50 feet. It has at least 15 levels. At 7 feet per level (which is a conservative estimate) its perhaps twice as tall as the ark. Its about the same width.

MS Harmony of the Seas - Wikipedia

So why, and this is sincere, why would noahs ark, which is big for say a fishing boat, it really isnt that big, why would people believe that 2 of every animal from all over the world, could fit onto a boat half the size of a cruise ship? Two elephants and the food to feed them alone would take up a significant portion of the ship. Throw in some giraffes, gorillas, lions, tigers, bears, rhinos, bison, horses, alligators, and already i would likely be out of space.

The story just has to be allegorical or it has to exist in some way other than a literal global flood. And there are megafauna as well, hunted by people, animals far larger than elephants.
----------------------------------------------------------
Anyway, so, how did the animals fit? Some say, well God did something to make them fit, we dont really know how.

How did the animals then disperse back home? Like how did marsupials collect in australia? And im not making this up, one guy (the only guy who responded here on Christian Forums) said God teleported them.

Well where is the geologic evidence (see my NY example), response: well its juts not there, but the flood did happen.
---------------------------------------------------------------
How many questions are we left without answers before we sit and say, you know what, maybe there is something incorrect about this interpretation of a literal flood.

Then when you turn to an old earth view, and consider the story of noahs ark alternatively, perhaps allegorical, all of these questions are answered.

The question is....how could they all not fit on the ark?


The following is a list from Noahs Ark A feasibilty Study

Number of animals genus (Male & Female) present from each order-class on the ark.


Passeriformes 2,236

Squamata 1,938

Rodentia 1,746

Artiodactyla 1,144

Carnivora 696

Therapsida 508

Marsupialia 468

Perrissodactyla 436

Chiroptera 412

Primates 412

Insectivora 404

Saurischia 390

Gruiformes 280

Ornithischia 278

Apodiformes 276

Notoungulata 252

Edentata 250

Charadriiformes 208

Condylartha 198

Galliformes 176

Falconiformes 170

Psittaciformes 164

Captorhinida 152

Thecodontia 144

Piciformes 128

(add remaining 61 land-vertebrate orders

15,754 Estimated total animals on ark.

Reference Noahs Ark a Feasibility Study page 11

John Woodmorappe

 

[Job 33:6]

The question is....how could they all not fit on the ark?
15,754 Estimated total animals on ark.

Reference Noahs Ark a Feasibility Study page 11

John Woodmorappe

you couldnt fit 1 brachiosaurus on this boat, let alone 15000 animals and their food.

 

[Eryk]

The question is....how could they all not fit on the ark?


The following is a list from Noahs Ark A feasibilty Study

Number of animals genus (Male & Female) present from each order-class on the ark.


Passeriformes 2,236

Squamata 1,938

Rodentia 1,746

Artiodactyla 1,144

Carnivora 696

Therapsida 508

Marsupialia 468

Perrissodactyla 436

Chiroptera 412

Primates 412

Insectivora 404

Saurischia 390

Gruiformes 280

Ornithischia 278

Apodiformes 276

Notoungulata 252

Edentata 250

Charadriiformes 208

Condylartha 198

Galliformes 176

Falconiformes 170

Psittaciformes 164

Captorhinida 152

Thecodontia 144

Piciformes 128

(add remaining 61 land-vertebrate orders

15,754 Estimated total animals on ark.

Reference Noahs Ark a Feasibility Study page 11

John Woodmorappe

Thanks, you beat me to it. It's also worth mentioning that the ark had three decks. The animals took up about half the interior with room to move.