Dinosaurs on the Ark?

[-57]

There was never a Garden of Paradise on Earth. Unless you think Jesus was walking there with Adam.
Then I won't argue against you. Otherwise, The Garden was not Earth.

If it was, I can't find it.

Evolution-ism doesn't cover the Garden of Eden topic.

So, there was no garden whom God put Adam into...no angel to guard the entrance after they were removed from it?

 

[SkyWriting]

I have some random views on where/what happened to them concerning the ark:

1. I don't believe dinosaurs were brought onto the ark due to their size or maybe some other reason God had. They drowned in the flood. After all after the flood we stop hearing about "behemoths".

2. Maybe after the apple was bitten God destroyed dinosaurs because they would have killed us all off.

3. Alternatively since they were created on the 6th day, maybe after the apple was bitten they killed each other off or died quickly (poison) and hence none exist now.

4. One could expand on 3 by saying since many ancient people mention things like "dragons" (aka dinosaur), maybe they died off over time early on after the flood. Because if not obviously they would exist and "dragons" would not be only in ancient texts.

5. We must also remember many consider there to be dinosaurs that did survive. Such as alligator/crocodiles or even sharks. So if the flood killed off all the land based dinosaurs and most of the water ones, then it makes sense some of the water ones survived. And anyways you can't take aquatic animals onto an ark since they would obviously (to some degree) be safe in the water.

In the end we won't really know the answer until we are up in heaven. But it sure is fun to guess what happened with dinosaurs. And might I mention these answers we have currently (like mine) make FAR more sense than sciences answers which only know how to say things like "They existed 65 million years ago!" and then when asked how they died science gives you like 300 different answers and just guesses with no real evidence to anything.

Creation week was for the Garden of Paradise.
This is how there was light even before day 3.
That's why it was such an odd place with God
walking around in it and odd trees.

 

[-57]

I don't know when the Ark was built but wood does not last long,

the Bible says Noah coated the ark with pitch....would that have preserved the wood?

 

[-57]

Creation week was for the Garden of Paradise.
This is how there was light even before day 3.
That's why it was such an odd place with God
walking around in it and odd trees.

How does that mean there was light?

 

[-57]

The Garden was not Earth.

The garden was a place on earth where God placed Adam...then formed Eve.....whom both consequently fell...and were removed from the garden.

 

[Speedwell]

the Bible says Noah coated the ark with pitch....would that have preserved the wood?

Very likely, and wood can last a long time under the right conditions.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/12/121220080130.htm

But I like the suggestion that the ark would have been dismantled fairly quickly. That much dressed timber would have been too valuable to let sit.

 

[-57]

Very likely, and wood can last a long time under the right conditions.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/12/121220080130.htm

But I like the suggestion that the ark would have been dismantled fairly quickly. That much dressed timber would have been too valuable to let sit.

No body know if the ark is still there. Perhaps it's covered in ice. Perhaps it rotted away. Perhaps they used the wood for shelter.

Time will eventually tell.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

But I like the suggestion that the ark would have been dismantled fairly quickly. That much dressed timber would have been too valuable to let sit.

hahaha, good chuckles...... it would have taken a long, long, long time ..... and there's no indication at all of that being done,
and really no reason nor convenience id doing so....

 

[Speedwell]

No body know if the ark is still there. Perhaps it's covered in ice. Perhaps it rotted away. Perhaps they used the wood for shelter.

Time will eventually tell.

If I were you I would hope it was gone. Suppose the real and undoubted ark of Noah was discovered; Christians, and even Muslims and Jews around the world would rejoice in the discovery.
But if it was different in the smallest particular from the "literal" description in Genesis, it would still prove the story of Noah to be true, but it would prove your theology to be false. Take my advice: if you ever come across Noah's Ark, torch it. You can't take the risk of letting it be found.

 

[Speedwell]

hahaha, good chuckles...... it would have taken a long, long, long time ..... and there's no indication at all of that being done,
and really no reason nor convenience id doing so....

No indication? Why would you expect any?
But let me ask you this: have you ever produced squared-up structural timbers from logs by hand? I'll bet not. I have, and would never let something like 600,000 board feet of them just sit and rot.

 

[Eryk]

But I like the suggestion that the ark would have been dismantled fairly quickly. That much dressed timber would have been too valuable to let sit.

I agree. It was repurposed for construction and fires.

 

[SkyWriting]

Its a hypothetical question. What if the earth showed a calm history, without evidence of a global flood? What would it mean to you?

Even the biggest floods only effect topsoil.
And most all rock is sedimentary rock
born of water.

 

[SkyWriting]

hahaha, good chuckles...... it would have taken a long, long, long time ..... and there's no indication at all of that being done,
and really no reason nor convenience id doing so....

The convenience would be easy access to building timber already cut to sizes easily used for protection.
Coated with tar and very easy to burn for heat or rainproof shelter.

 

[SkyWriting]

So much for an evidence minded person then.

Maybe he should change his perspective?

Hell is full of those who waited all their lives for evidence.

Absolutely.

 

[Job 33:6]

*seems to show

Its just a hypothetical.

I wont bother asking again, but perhaps this is a question worth pondering.

 

[Job 33:6]

Even the biggest floods only effect topsoil.
And most all rock is sedimentary rock
born of water.

Many YECs believe the flood waters split the continents. Perhaps you should tell them this.

 

[AV1611VET]

Many YECs believe the flood waters split the continents.

They're wrong, aren't they?

 

[Lily of Valleys]

Nope, I'm not smarter than Paul. However, I do believe that Jesus and the apostles, when referencing the events of Genesis, knew they were referencing allegory and knew they their audiences would understand it as such.

It is obvious that apostle Paul knew that Adam literally existed, and that was how sin entered the world as he explained in Romans. Note how many times he repeated that sin came through one person - Adam:

Therefore, just as through one person sin entered the world, and through sin, death, and thus death came to all, inasmuch as all sinned for up to the time of the law, sin was in the world, though sin is not accounted when there is no law. But death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who did not sin after the pattern of the trespass of Adam, who is the type of the one who was to come.

Grace and Life Through Christ. But the gift is not like the transgression. For if by that one person’s transgression the many died, how much more did the grace of God and the gracious gift of the one person Jesus Christ overflow for the many. And the gift is not like the result of the one person’s sinning. For after one sin there was the judgment that brought condemnation; but the gift, after many transgressions, brought acquittal. For if, by the transgression of one person, death came to reign through that one, how much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of justification come to reign in life through the one person Jesus Christ. In conclusion, just as through one transgression condemnation came upon all, so through one righteous act acquittal and life came to all. For just as through the disobedience of one person the many were made sinners, so through the obedience of one the many will be made righteous. The law entered in so that transgression might increase but, where sin increased, grace overflowed all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through justification for eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

(Romans 5:12-21 NABRE)

 

[EpiscipalMe]

It is obvious that apostle Paul knew that Adam literally existed, and that was how sin entered the world as he explained in Romans. Note how many times he repeated that sin came through one person - Adam:

Therefore, just as through one person sin entered the world, and through sin, death, and thus death came to all, inasmuch as all sinned for up to the time of the law, sin was in the world, though sin is not accounted when there is no law. But death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who did not sin after the pattern of the trespass of Adam, who is the type of the one who was to come.

Grace and Life Through Christ. But the gift is not like the transgression. For if by that one person’s transgression the many died, how much more did the grace of God and the gracious gift of the one person Jesus Christ overflow for the many. And the gift is not like the result of the one person’s sinning. For after one sin there was the judgment that brought condemnation; but the gift, after many transgressions, brought acquittal. For if, by the transgression of one person, death came to reign through that one, how much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of justification come to reign in life through the one person Jesus Christ. In conclusion, just as through one transgression condemnation came upon all, so through one righteous act acquittal and life came to all. For just as through the disobedience of one person the many were made sinners, so through the obedience of one the many will be made righteous. The law entered in so that transgression might increase but, where sin increased, grace overflowed all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through justification for eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

(Romans 5:12-21 NABRE)

I see nothing in that quote that makes it "obvious that Paul knew that Adam literally existed." There are two alternatives:
1) Paul knew it was allegory, as did his audience. In referencing this allegorical story, he was able to teach valuable lessons to his audience.
2) Paul thought it was literal, as did his audience. However, with the God given gift of science, we are now free to see Genesis for what I believe it to be - allegory.

 

[Speedwell]

I see nothing in that quote that makes it "obvious that Paul knew that Adam literally existed." There are two alternatives:
1) Paul knew it was allegory, as did his audience. In referencing this allegorical story, he was able to teach valuable lessons to his audience.
2) Paul thought it was literal, as did his audience. However, with the God given gift of science, we are now free to see Genesis for what I believe it to be - allegory.

I would not be surprised to learn that Paul thought the story recounted actual historical events. Many people did then and still do. He was drawing aligorical meaning from the story anyway, so the matter is of little moment. However, it is impossible to suppose that he thought the text of the story to be the literal, inerrant, perspicuous and self-interpreting product of plenary verbal inspiration, as modern creationists do; those are all modern inventions. Moreover--and this is most important--neither Paul nor the early Fathers give any indication that belief in the "literal inerrancy" of Genesis was essential, as modern creationists insist. Figurative interpretations of Genesis are almost as old as the book itself and have been entertained by a number respectable theologians over the centuries. Hostile condemnation for it is also an invention of the modern creationists.