Different Public Schools for Different Faiths ?

[Larniavc]

Believe in science and not God, bad effects of it in schools since circa 1965. Kick God to the curb, and have more drugs, school shootings, stabbings, the list goes on. Disobey God the Father, like in the book of Job, and He lets Satan, to punish his children, but hopefully restore them.

Repeating your claims is not evidence. Are you going to provide any evidence?

 

[Larniavc]

Are you saying Hollywood doesn't affect social issues?

Not at all. People do. I'm saying they shouldn't.

 

[BCP1928]

Believe in science and not God, bad effects of it in schools since circa 1965. Kick God to the curb, and have more drugs, school shootings, stabbings, the list goes on. Disobey God the Father, like in the book of Job, and He lets Satan, to punish his children, but hopefully restore them.

Not a coherent claim, as this is a very religious country and most people involved in public schooling believe in science and God.

 

[DaisyDay]

Believe in science and not God, bad effects of it in schools since circa 1965. Kick God to the curb, and have more drugs, school shootings, stabbings, the list goes on. Disobey God the Father, like in the book of Job, and He lets Satan, to punish his children, but hopefully restore them.

Job never disobeyed God the Father, he was tormented by Satan just to see if he would remain faithful because, as Satan pointed out, it is easy to be faithful to a god that constantly showers gifts upon him. Job did stay faithful to God and got a shiny new family to replace the killed ones, which I guess is okay for him if his wife and children are replaceable but kinda sucks for the first family.

 

[PloverWing]

Just want to clarify an item in @BCP1928 's post above:

"PloverWing said:
Oh, lots. How about a school run by militant atheists who think the public schools don't do enough to shield their kids from religious influences? "

PloverWing did not say that. Probably there was a formatting error in the post. Still, I suppose there are some militant atheists in town too...

 

[PloverWing]

My original post - "Have separate schools for Christian, possibly for various denominations within, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, not believers of traditional marriage lifestyle, Atheists, etc. and not restricted to skin color, ethnicity, race, or nationality."

This helps avoid discrimination, but could be not totally; however, Oklahoma will be a testing ground in time and years to come on various aspects you mention.

I did see your disclaimer, "not restricted to skin color, ethnicity, race, or nationality", but things get complicated when people have various forms of segregation or exclusion as part of their religious beliefs. (Remember all the segregation arguments from the Bible that we heard when we were kids?) Even today, some religious groups exclude women or gay people in various ways, as part of their religious beliefs. I suppose something careful could be worked out -- you can have a publicly-funded religious school as long as it adheres to all the civil rights laws, something like that.

Can you describe what Oklahoma is trying to do? I'm not up on my Oklahoma news.

 

[sprknjc]

I did see your disclaimer, "not restricted to skin color, ethnicity, race, or nationality", but things get complicated when people have various forms of segregation or exclusion as part of their religious beliefs. (Remember all the segregation arguments from the Bible that we heard when we were kids?) Even today, some religious groups exclude women or gay people in various ways, as part of their religious beliefs. I suppose something careful could be worked out -- you can have a publicly-funded religious school as long as it adheres to all the civil rights laws, something like that.

Can you describe what Oklahoma is trying to do? I'm not up on my Oklahoma news.

In Oklahoma, a new test of religion in public schools

A new lawsuit is challenging what would be the nation’s first publicly-funded religious charter school.

www.pbs.org

 

[Margaret3110]

Geez, don't get me started on charter schools! Man, who ever came up with that idea is a master grifter, funneling public funds to a private school.

-- A2SG, there oughtta be a law....

I disagree. My son, who is autistic with learning disabilities, is at a charter school and it's been amazing for him. We could never afford a private school and public was traumatic.

However, the OP's idea of segregating kids by their religious beliefs is strange ...

 

[sprknjc]

Other examples in the Old Testament about God's punishment and restoration with the people of Israel and Judah when His Children disobeyed. Noah, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jonah and the whale are some.

At the same time, devout Christians will have trouble and feel punished, John 16:33 and that for a reason.

 

[Arcangl86]

Can you describe what Oklahoma is trying to do? I'm not up on my Oklahoma news.

The Oklahoma department of education just approved the creation of a Catholic charter school. I don't think it's been challenged yet but it's only a matter of time.

 

[sprknjc]

Not a coherent claim, as this is a very religious country and most people involved in public schooling believe in science and God.

Science to an extent. Many Christians have problems with evolution, given the fact God created the heavens and the earth in Genesis.

 

[sprknjc]

Job never disobeyed God the Father, he was tormented by Satan just to see if he would remain faithful because, as Satan pointed out, it is easy to be faithful to a god that constantly showers gifts upon him. Job did stay faithful to God and got a shiny new family to replace the killed ones, which I guess is okay for him if his wife and children are replaceable but kinda sucks for the first family.

Job may have been very good, but all have sinned, only Jesus is perfect.

 

[sprknjc]

Repeating your claims is not evidence. Are you going to provide any evidence?

It depends on how much you believe in the Christian faith. Examples, 9-11-2001, 1-6-2021 insurrection, fires, floods, tornadoes, earthquakes, school shootings, etc. God is totally in control. We hope for His Blessings, but there is a reason for these events, which coincidentally follows much disobedience by the people. Back in Old Testament times yet another example with Moses, plagues on stubborn Pharaoh not letting God's people leave to return back to Israel, frogs, locusts, stillborn babies, etc. History repeats itself.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

As far as I'm concerned, public schools are a 19th century paradigm that outlived its usefulness in the early 21st century. It's primary functions are to provide employment to overeducated college grads and supply free daycare to parents that have sold themselves into indentured slavery.

There original function was to educate our nation, thereby making it highly competitive in the world's economy. But that function is no longer necessary. The internet has negated its purpose. Homeschooling is now way too easy with sites like Khan Academy | Free Online Courses, Lessons & Practice. Not to mention all the other training and education tools available on the internet.

And some will argue, "what about the children of bad parents?" Well, what about them. Isn't that a problem today? The parents are ultimately responsible. Leave it to them. My opinion is that public schools should be eliminated.

Yes, I know it will never happen, but I think that is the best solution.

 

[DaisyDay]

Job may have been very good, but all have sinned, only Jesus is perfect.

Have you even read it? How about the Clift Notes?

In your opinion, how did Job "disobey" God? What did Job do to deserve boils and a dead family? Please be specific.

 

[sprknjc]

Very good article, history of and current battle of religion in the public schools

Religion in the Public Schools

More than 55 years after the Supreme Court issued its landmark ruling striking down school-sponsored prayer, Americans continue to fight over the place of

www.pewresearch.org

One can draw their own conclusions. Many Christians will draw one, others will draw various others.

 

[Tuur]

Positive influences in their formative and impressionable young years. Secular humanism is not.

Which has nothing to do with the OP, which argues segregation by faith. Did we learn nothing the last time we had segregated schools, that separate but equal sometimes isn't? That all it did was to perpetuate an existing division in society? Are we now to repeat the same mistake, this time along the lines of faith instead of the color of one's skin?

 

[sprknjc]

Have you even read it? How about the Clift Notes?

In your opinion, how did Job "disobey" God? What did Job do to deserve boils and a dead family? Please be specific.

The Bible does not detail every event of every person's life. All have sinned since Adam and Eve. John 16:33 can be relevant to Job.

 

[sprknjc]

Which has nothing to do with the OP, which argues segregation by faith. Did we learn nothing the last time we had segregated schools, that separate but equal sometimes isn't? That all it did was to perpetuate an existing division in society? Are we now to repeat the same mistake, this time along the lines of faith instead of the color of one's skin?

2 Corinthians 6:14 about being yoked with unbelievers.

 

[Margaret3110]

2 Corinthians 6:14 about being yoked with unbelievers.

"Yoked" refers to marriage, no? Not to just associating with people of different beliefs.