Different Public Schools for Different Faiths ?

[SMTA]

Though the First Amendment says the government cannot establish A religion as was in England, here's an idea to reduce cultural friction between people of various faiths and those of anti faith in the public schools, which can happen in larger school districts with dozens of schools. Have separate schools for Christian, possibly for various denominations within, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, not believers of traditional marriage lifestyle, Atheists, etc. and not restricted to skin color, ethnicity, race, or nationality. Parents choose for their children which is cheaper than private school and less time constraining for parents than home schooling. Some interaction between different belief schools in the school districts with sports games and academic competitions. Also so if the Christian kids want to pray or study the Bible in their own Christian publc school, they could do so without offending others, likewise if Muslim, Jewish, or choose to participate in an alternative lifestyle.

Larger school districts have the real estate of many buildings to do this. I do see added school bus transportation costs with this, but reducing cultural friction and lawsuits is priceless. Maybe this idea is being done today in sections of other countries besides the United States, but I don't know. Some districts do have special schools for bad behavior students, gifted academically, or the disabled, so why not of various beliefs?

Thoughts, pro or con?

Cost prohibitive. Never happen.

 

[A2SG]

Many families, unless upper class or wealthy, cannot afford private school tuition of thousands of dollars, with the other basic necessities of life, mortgage/rent, utilities, food, clothing, etc., plus paying taxes which typically up to around 50% goes for public schools. Parents working two jobs to make ends meet not have time for home schooling either. Oklahoma in the article referenced here earlier in this thread also with the governor's idea of vouchers for private school, at least for the less well off.

Public funds should go to public schools. Period.

Government funds things for alternative marriage lifestyles, supporting that belief. Doesn't make sense when cannot do the same for other faith beliefs.

How does government fund "alternative marriage lifestyles," exactly?

But, that aside, see the first amendment if you don't know why the government doesn't, and shouldn't, endorse any religion.

-- A2SG, not exactly a new law there...

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Though the First Amendment says the government cannot establish A religion as was in England, here's an idea to reduce cultural friction between people of various faiths and those of anti faith in the public schools, which can happen in larger school districts with dozens of schools. Have separate schools for Christian, possibly for various denominations within, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, not believers of traditional marriage lifestyle, Atheists, etc. and not restricted to skin color, ethnicity, race, or nationality. Parents choose for their children which is cheaper than private school and less time constraining for parents than home schooling. Some interaction between different belief schools in the school districts with sports games and academic competitions. Also so if the Christian kids want to pray or study the Bible in their own Christian publc school, they could do so without offending others, likewise if Muslim, Jewish, or choose to participate in an alternative lifestyle.

Larger school districts have the real estate of many buildings to do this. I do see added school bus transportation costs with this, but reducing cultural friction and lawsuits is priceless. Maybe this idea is being done today in sections of other countries besides the United States, but I don't know. Some districts do have special schools for bad behavior students, gifted academically, or the disabled, so why not of various beliefs?

Thoughts, pro or con?

No. This is why private schools exist. Government should not fund religious indoctrination.

 

[Paulos23]

Though the First Amendment says the government cannot establish A religion as was in England, here's an idea to reduce cultural friction between people of various faiths and those of anti faith in the public schools, which can happen in larger school districts with dozens of schools. Have separate schools for Christian, possibly for various denominations within, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, not believers of traditional marriage lifestyle, Atheists, etc. and not restricted to skin color, ethnicity, race, or nationality. Parents choose for their children which is cheaper than private school and less time constraining for parents than home schooling. Some interaction between different belief schools in the school districts with sports games and academic competitions. Also so if the Christian kids want to pray or study the Bible in their own Christian publc school, they could do so without offending others, likewise if Muslim, Jewish, or choose to participate in an alternative lifestyle.

Larger school districts have the real estate of many buildings to do this. I do see added school bus transportation costs with this, but reducing cultural friction and lawsuits is priceless. Maybe this idea is being done today in sections of other countries besides the United States, but I don't know. Some districts do have special schools for bad behavior students, gifted academically, or the disabled, so why not of various beliefs?

Thoughts, pro or con?

What can be said that hasn't been said before. To expensive, logistical nightmare, government can't pay for religious schools, and society is multicultural, why segregate kids an make them I'll prepared for society at large?

Sounds like you want to shelter kids in your religion so they don't leave it, but what happens when they get to college or the multicultural workplace? Sounds like a disservice to them.

 

[sprknjc]

Cost prohibitive. Never happen.

Will see what happens in Oklahoma.

 

[sprknjc]

I don't think you should draw conclusions about social dynamics from your repetitive watching of a movies.

There are many movies out there, Christian and not, who get you to thinking about what is happening in society, be it an inspiring sports movie, etc. Often you have to read between the lines to get that meaning, but some people only get the superficial aspects of movies.

 

[Larniavc]

Often you have to read between the lines to get that meaning

This just means reading into the movie what you want it to say. This is just a form of inverted selective abstraction.

 

[DaisyDay]

Though the First Amendment says the government cannot establish A religion as was in England, here's an idea to reduce cultural friction between people of various faiths and those of anti faith in the public schools, which can happen in larger school districts with dozens of schools. Have separate schools for Christian, possibly for various denominations within, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, not believers of traditional marriage lifestyle, Atheists, etc. and not restricted to skin color, ethnicity, race, or nationality. Parents choose for their children which is cheaper than private school and less time constraining for parents than home schooling. Some interaction between different belief schools in the school districts with sports games and academic competitions. Also so if the Christian kids want to pray or study the Bible in their own Christian publc school, they could do so without offending others, likewise if Muslim, Jewish, or choose to participate in an alternative lifestyle.

Larger school districts have the real estate of many buildings to do this. I do see added school bus transportation costs with this, but reducing cultural friction and lawsuits is priceless. Maybe this idea is being done today in sections of other countries besides the United States, but I don't know. Some districts do have special schools for bad behavior students, gifted academically, or the disabled, so why not of various beliefs?

Thoughts, pro or con?

Children currently can pray in school, in class, providing they are not disruptive about it.

Secular humanism, which does not laud or denigrate religions, seems the right choice for public schools.

 

[sprknjc]

This is not a good idea. It creates a them and us situation. If the aim is societal harmony you need to teach people to integrate with different people. This is exactly what happens at university. People mix with people they would not normally do so with.

Most reasonable parents who care about their children want to keep them from quite bad influences, not so much the lesser ones, including those major ones doing drugs and other serious Satanic influences. One teacher in Loudoun County here in Northern Virginia resigned in front of the left leaning school board during a public speaking session saying she was sick of their politics, and encouraged other teachers and parents and their children to leave the public schools, and home school or private school their kids - Loudoun County teacher sobs as she quits in protest at CRT classes . Sad to say, many parent cannot afford the alternatives in time or additional household large expense, though easier these days to find other employment as a teacher. Also something school boards, superintendents, and local government leaders need to think about is the funding per public school pupil they have, or not have, from state and federal sources - How Is K-12 Education Funded? . Obviously, if you have a greater public school student population, the local government gets more dollars.

 

[Larniavc]

and other serious Satanic influences

Only Christians care about 'Satanic' influences. In my country (UK) if anyone started talking about Satanic influences they would be laughed at and ridiculed for their beliefs.

Loudoun County teacher sobs as she quits in protest at CRT classes

If she hates equality so much I'm glad she quit. She does not belong in an educational environment.

 

[sprknjc]

This just means reading into the movie what you want it to say. This is just a form of inverted selective abstraction.

There are intelligent conclusions from movies.

 

[sprknjc]

Evidence please.

Believe in science and not God, bad effects of it in schools since circa 1965. Kick God to the curb, and have more drugs, school shootings, stabbings, the list goes on. Disobey God the Father, like in the book of Job, and He lets Satan, to punish his children, but hopefully restore them.

 

[sprknjc]

Who's being forced to participate in Pride Day or to pray in school? Where is that happening precisely?

Students are being forced NOT to pray in school and NOT read their Bibles, and NOT share their faith in their clothing or valedictorians at public school graduations. Per Supreme Court decision, students can pray outside of instruction time, but depending on the viewpoints of the principal or teacher of the school, this may be squashed. Pride Day at schools with a heavy population of such type students, students who hold traditional values may argue with the promoters, including school staff, but then face punishment for divergent views. Its happening across the nation. Too many instances to provide all of the search engine article links.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Students are being forced NOT to pray in school and NOT read their Bibles, and NOT share their faith in their clothing or valedictorians at public school graduations. Per Supreme Court decision, students can pray outside of instruction time, but depending on the viewpoints of the principal or teacher of the school, this may be squashed. Pride Day at schools with a heavy population of such type students, students who hold traditional values may argue with the promoters, including school staff, but then face punishment for divergent views. Its happening across the nation. Too many instances to provide all of the search engine article links.

I doubt that school staff is punishing students on a mass scale. I don't think they're forcing anyone to participate in tasting the rainbow ...

If you think they are forcing students to comply, then give us the count and the name of the public schools where this "punishment" is taking place. (Yes, you'll have to do the research to get me to see the light, or else I'll just ignore your statements as pure rhetoric... )

 

[PloverWing]

As others have observed, the proposal would lead to a splintering of the school system. For example, I think of my own religiously and ethnically diverse town of 23,000 people. The single high school that serves our students barely keeps itself going, financially. If we broke it up into a bunch of separate schools for Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Sikhs, Christians who exclude gay people, Christians who accept gay people, nonreligious students -- have I left out anyone? -- I don't think we could fund all those schools.

But two additional legal considerations come to mind:

1) The proposed system may violate the "Separate but equal is not equal" principle of Brown v Board of Education. Will the school for the 10 Hindu students receive the same level of funding as the school for the 100 nonreligious students? Will the students have access to the same kinds of science labs, music programs, and so on?

2) Depending on the exact religions involved, some of the schools may conflict with federal and state civil rights laws. The school for Christian white students who think white and black students shouldn't mix (think Bob Jones) and the school for Christian students who think girls should not participate in sports (I know a school in Vermont like that) may violate federal law if they get government funding. A state-funded school for Christians that excludes gay students and teachers would violate New Jersey state law.

So we're probably stuck with learning how to get along with each other in our diverse community.

 

[Desk trauma]

It seems like a good idea the governor of Oklahoma open to having public schools of various faiths - "Stitt said that he would love to see Catholic, Jewish and Muslim charter schools as well." It is new uncharted territory there and believe worth giving it a test in at least one state for a few or several years and see what happens, which will or disprove what each of us think.

Can’t wait for the satanic temple to apply.

 

[Laodicean60]

I don't think you should draw conclusions about social dynamics from your repetitive watching of a movies.

Are you saying Hollywood doesn't affect social issues?

 

[sprknjc]

As others have observed, the proposal would lead to a splintering of the school system. For example, I think of my own religiously and ethnically diverse town of 23,000 people. The single high school that serves our students barely keeps itself going, financially. If we broke it up into a bunch of separate schools for Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Sikhs, Christians who exclude gay people, Christians who accept gay people, nonreligious students -- have I left out anyone? -- I don't think we could fund all those schools.

But two additional legal considerations come to mind:

1) The proposed system may violate the "Separate but equal is not equal" principle of Brown v Board of Education. Will the school for the 10 Hindu students receive the same level of funding as the school for the 100 nonreligious students? Will the students have access to the same kinds of science labs, music programs, and so on?

2) Depending on the exact religions involved, some of the schools may conflict with federal and state civil rights laws. The school for Christian white students who think white and black students shouldn't mix (think Bob Jones) and the school for Christian students who think girls should not participate in sports (I know a school in Vermont like that) may violate federal law if they get government funding. A state-funded school for Christians that excludes gay students and teachers would violate New Jersey state law.

So we're probably stuck with learning how to get along with each other in our diverse community.

My original post - "Have separate schools for Christian, possibly for various denominations within, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, not believers of traditional marriage lifestyle, Atheists, etc. and not restricted to skin color, ethnicity, race, or nationality."

This helps avoid discrimination, but could be not totally; however, Oklahoma will be a testing ground in time and years to come on various aspects you mention.

 

[BCP1928]

As others have observed, the proposal would lead to a splintering of the school system. For example, I think of my own religiously and ethnically diverse town of 23,000 people. The single high school that serves our students barely keeps itself going, financially. If we broke it up into a bunch of separate schools for Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Sikhs, Christians who exclude gay people, Christians who accept gay people, nonreligious students -- have I left out anyone?

Oh, lots. How about a school run by militant atheists who think the public schools don't do enough to shield their kids from religious influences?

 

[Larniavc]

There are intelligent conclusions from movies.

My point is that you are seeing in the movie what you want to see and the self congratulating yourself for seeing it.