Did the Jews kill Christ?

[salt-n-light]

It was Gods plan not the Jews plan so it does change the fact.

You miss the facts my good friend.

He was the last sacrifices for sin.
A plan set forth from God as it is his own scarifies not the Jews scarifies.

If it was at the hands of the Jews then it would have been the Jews scarifies and it was not.

With out the devil who entered into Judas then he would have never went forth to deliver Jesus into the Jews hands.

And because he did not die at the hands of any man, he died on the cross, this also makes it Gods scarifies as Jesus cried out for God not the Jews.

So you're saying that Jesus committed suicide then? Odd.

If a soldier, for example, sacrifice his life in war, that doesnt negate the cause of his death, whether it was by the hands of the enemy, or a bomb, etc. You would still say, the soldier was killed in battle, it wouldn't take away the fact that he sacrificed himself to serve.

Same here, yes Jesus sacrifice his life, he lay it down. But it doesnt negate how He died, He did died by the hands of Jews (more directly the Romans, but it was the vote of the Jews to have Him killed)

 

[Blade]

Yeap they rejected Him and had a choice.. one to set free one to kill. Shall we guess which one died on a cross? Yet on that cross He said.. forgive them Father they dont know what they are doing. Yet what they did.. had a price in this world. He came to them 1st.. His own.. look what they did. He forgave them.. His plan before this all started..

 

[Danielwright2311]

So you're saying that Jesus committed suicide then? Odd.

If a soldier, for example, sacrifice his life in war, that doesnt negate the cause of his death, whether it was by the hands of the enemy, or a bomb, etc. You would still say, the soldier was killed in battle, it wouldn't take away the fact that he sacrificed himself to serve.

Same here, yes Jesus sacrifice his life, he lay it down. But it doesnt negate how He died, He did died by the hands of Jews (more directly the Romans, but it was the vote of the Jews to have Him killed)

No I'm saying he was a sacrifices, there is a big difference to committing suicide then to a sacrifice to sin.

A soldier does not die for all the worlds sin, so your point is useless, no insult intended.

 

[salt-n-light]

No I'm saying he was a sacrifices, there is a big difference to committing suicide then to a sacrifice to sin.

A soldier does not die for all the worlds sin, so your point is useless, no insult intended.

I don't even think you get my point. It flew over your head.

Point is, His death was simultaneously Him sacrificing himself as well as Him being killed by Jews. But we can just agree to disagree.

 

[Danielwright2311]

I don't even think you get my point. It flew over your head.

Point is, His death was simultaneously Him sacrificing himself as well as Him being killed by Jews. But we can just agree to disagree.

I get the point 100 percent, but we must not dwell on his death as some one killing him, we must dwell on the fact that his death was a gift of sacrifice.

 

[Serving Zion]

I get the point 100 percent, but we must not dwell on his death as some one killing him, we must dwell on the fact that his death was a gift of sacrifice.

They are both valuable toward the objective of faith though (eg: John 15:22, Matthew 12:29 vs Romans 8:32).

 

[salt-n-light]

I get the point 100 percent, but we must not dwell on his death as some one killing him, we must dwell on the fact that his death was a gift of sacrifice.

But that is part of the story, that he was crucified, that it was his own, the Jews, that were that blind spiritually so that the Gentiles (us) could be grafted in (Romans 11).

 

[curious mike]

Whenever someone bring the case that the Jews killed Christ is because he wants to find an excuse to discriminate Jews.

If this is referring to me you are DEAD WRONG sir! I am not in any way shape or form anti-semitic. My intent for this post was to hear different views on the topic, that's all.

 

[Not David]

If this is referring to me you are DEAD WRONG sir! I am not in any way shape or form anti-semitic. My intent for this post was to hear different views on the topic, that's all.

Not at all. However, that's a reason it's difficult for some to say the Jews killed Christ because of the story of Christians using that excuse to commit atrocities.

 

[curious mike]

Oh I see your point now, thanks for clarifying. That reminds me of a football movie where one player practicing anti-semitism had said "they killed Jesus".

 

[parousia70]

Modern Jews are the descendants of these tribes and take their name from Judah or Judea.

That's the Claim. Where's the evidence?

I should add that modern day Jews include the surviving remnants of the lost tribes as well as those who have converted to Judaism.

Modern Jews have no relationship to the pre desolation Hebrew people. Not Genetically, Not Politically and not Religiously.

 

[curious mike]

This puts a spin on this thread which has always sparked my curiosity so might as well as we've exhausted the original topic i think.

I can't see how Jews are a race for if so, which race, Arabs?

Also, just last week I had spoken to a guy who was born in israel who had said he is Jewish but not religious. If Judaism is a religion and he is not religious then how can he claim to be Jewish, does that mean if you are born in Israel that makes you Jewish?

 

[parousia70]

All of these passages refer to the religious leadership (i.e. the Pharisees, Saducees, scribes, chief priests, etc.) of the Jews, ... not the Jewish people themselves ...

And these?

Matthew 27:25
Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

Luke 19:43-45
43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”

Luke 23:28
But Jesus, turning to them, said, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children.

 

[parousia70]

This puts a spin on this thread which has always sparked my curiosity so might as well as we've exhausted the original topic i think.

I can't see how Jews are a race for if so, which race, Arabs?

There is no Jewish Race today.

Jewish Race?

• parousia70
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Also, just last week I had spoken to a guy who was born in israel who had said he is Jewish but not religious. If Judaism is a religion and he is not religious then how can he claim to be Jewish, does that mean if you are born in Israel that makes you Jewish?

There are Arab, Muslim Israeli Citizens, even with positions in the Israel Government, as well as Arab Christian Israeli Citizens, so no you are not Jewish if you are born in Israel.

Modern Judaism is a POST CHRISTIAN, MAN MADE RELIGION practiced by a wide swath of multi ethnic peoples across the globe and has absolutely no relationship to the Judaism of the Bible which was a God Given religion Delivered by Moses to the ancient Hebrew people. No so called "Jew" alive today follows THAT religion, nor is related to anyone who did.

 

[JackRT]

Matthew 27:25
Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

Perhaps all the people who were there. How many people could comfortably fit in the main hall of Fortress Antonia? Not even a tiny fraction of the ten million or so Jews alive at the time. That phrase His blood be on us, and on our children has directly or indirectly led to an immense amount of human suffering mostly inflicted by Christians.

 

[parousia70]

That phrase His blood be on us, and on our children has directly or indirectly led to an immense amount of human suffering mostly inflicted by Christians.

You can thank futurism for that.

 

[curious mike]

Modern Judaism is a POST CHRISTIAN, MAN MADE RELIGION practiced by a wide swath of multi ethnic peoples across the globe and has absolutely no relationship to the Judaism of the Bible which was a God Given religion Delivered by Moses to the ancient Hebrew people.

That is what I am thinking [the part in bold]. So was the ancient Hebrew people Arab in Ethnicity?

 

[JackRT]

You can thank futurism for that.

Can you explain the term "futurism" for us?

 

[parousia70]

Can you explain the term "futurism" for us?

Here's Christian Forums own Definition:

Futurism: Futurism is the eschatological viewpoint that interprets portions of the Book of Revelation, the Book of Daniel, and other prophecies, as future events in a literal, physical, apocalyptic, and global context.

• Pre-tribulation: The pre-tribulation position advocates that the rapture will occur before the beginning of the seven-year tribulation period, while the second coming will occur at the end of the seven-year tribulation period. Pre-tribulationists often describe the rapture as Jesus coming for the church and the second coming as Jesus coming with the church.
• Mid-tribulation: The mid-tribulation position espouses that the rapture will occur at some point in the middle of the tribulation period, or during Daniel's 70th week. The tribulation is typically divided into two periods of 3.5 years each. Mid-tribulationists hold that the saints will go through the first period (Beginning of Travail, which is not "the tribulation"), but will be raptured into Heaven before the severe outpouring of God's wrath in the second half of the tribulation.
• Post-tribulation: The post-tribulation position places the rapture at the end of the tribulation period. Post-tribulation writers define the tribulation period in a generic sense as the entire present age, or in a specific sense of a period of time preceding the second coming of Christ. The emphasis in this view is that the church will undergo the tribulation even though the church will be spared the wrath of God.
• Pre-wrath Tribulation: The pre-wrath tribulation position states that Christians will be raptured sometime during the tribulation that occurs in the second half of the 70th week of Daniel, and before the day of the Lord's wrath. The pre-wrath position emphasizes the biblical distinction between tribulation (which Christians have been promised) and the wrath of God (which Christians have been promised deliverance/salvation from).

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I did not get the idea from your posts that you were anti-Semitic, but do you realize you will get a lot of views (so many already posted) from the "world" that are very wrong, with wrong motives (meant only to deceive you, by people who are totally deceived themselves) ?

Getting a "true" Biblical view (on any topic, actually) is rare on earth.. pray a lot, and test something BEFORE believing it .... prove it is truth FIRST, before dwelling on it.

If this is referring to me you are DEAD WRONG sir! I am not in any way shape or form anti-semitic. My intent for this post was to hear different views on the topic, that's all.