Did John know...

[Douggg]

But the Greek word translated "man" in Rev. 13:18 is not aner, but rather the word anthropos, which means "a human being, male or female." Strong’s Concordant.

But it is a human being. And since he is a king. He will be a man.

Furthermore, it is not the number of "a" anything. It is just the number of human or of mankind!

You just referred to Strong's defintion which said "a" human being.

Even the Revised Standard Version translators saw this and therefore, states, "It’s number is six hundred sixty-six." The number of the wild beast is not the number of "a" man, but rather the number of "man" or "mankind."

With this in mind let’s read II Thes. 2:3:

"Let no man [‘let not any person,’ RSV, ‘Let no ONE…’] deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a FALLING AWAY first, and that man of sin [Gk: the lawless one] be revealed, the son of perdition [Gk: the one destined for destruction]. Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God [a god], or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God"

Know ye not that ye are the temple of GOD, .... 1 Corinthians 3:16

Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; ... Acts 7:48
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The beast as mankind doesn't fit anywhere in Revelation. "Mankind" and the false prophet were cast alive into the lake of fire - that's makes sense to you?



Doug

There is no Salvation apart from the shed blood of Jesus.

 

[sinning machine]

The beast as mankind doesn't fit anywhere in Revelation. "Mankind" and the false prophet were cast alive into the lake of fire - that's makes sense to you.

Yes

 

[Douggg]

Yes? I am speechless....

 

[Interplanner]

What doesn't make sense to me is that in terms of the traumas of the 1st century, the material would have to do with the distant future when it is twice introduced as being at hand or soon. My lifelong experience with futurism is that it has eminent domain to gobble up the meaning of "sense" as it sees fit.

Strongs will not indicate def vs indef article. You have to know grammar.

 

[interpreter]

Bible2, and how do you know that 666 is the numerical value of the letters of his name?. Perhaps it is something like him or his name being the 666th of something. Perhaps his name is the 666th of Adonikam's descendants. I am not saying that is the case. I am just pointing out other possibilities that gematria.

Doug

There is no salvation apart from the shed blood of Jesus.

Hitler's Third Reich is the third head #6 of the 666 trilogy.

 

[Bible2]

Interplanner said in post 24:

What doesn't make sense to me is that in terms of the traumas of the 1st century, the material would have to do with the distant future when it is twice introduced as being at hand or soon.

In Revelation 1:1,3, "shortly" and "at hand" can be understood in the same manner as "Surely I come quickly" in Revelation 22:20, which refers to Jesus' never-fulfilled 2nd coming. I.e., shortly/at hand/quickly in these verses can be understood from the viewpoint of God, not men (2 Peter 3:8-9).

Also, from the viewpoint of men, part of what Revelation chapters 2-3 foretold could have begun unfolding "shortly" (Revelation 1:1,3) after John saw his Revelation vision. For the letters to the 7 literal, first century AD local church congregations (Revelation chapters 2-3) in 7 cities in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:11b) could have foretold a first century AD persecution (Revelation 2:10, Revelation 3:10) under the Roman Emperor Domitian which happened shortly after John saw his vision around 95 AD, near the end of Domitian's reign (Irenaeus, Against Heresies 5:30:3c). But even all the (to us) still-future events of the tribulation and subsequent 2nd coming of Revelation chapters 6 to 19 will unfold "shortly" (Revelation 1:1,3) or "quickly" (Revelation 22:20) after John saw his vision. For from the viewpoint of God, even the passing of some 2,000 years is like the passing of only two days (2 Peter 3:8). Christians should look at the future fulfillment of Revelation chapters 6 to 19 from the viewpoint of God, not men, for whom the passing of some 2,000 years seems like a long delay for its fulfillment (2 Peter 3:9).

Other books in the Bible contain prophecies of events that wouldn't occur for 3,000 to 4,000 years. For example, Ezekiel prophesied of the Gog/Magog event (Ezekiel chapters 38-39, Revelation 20:8-9) some 3,600 years before its (still future) occurrence. For Ezekiel gave that prophecy some 600 years before Jesus' first coming, but it won't be fulfilled until some 1,000 years after Jesus' (still future) 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:10). Also, God prophesied Jesus' spiritual defeat of Satan at the Crucifixion (Genesis 3:15, Hebrews 2:14) some 4,000 years before its occurrence. And Isaiah prophesied God creating a new heaven and earth (Isaiah 66:22, Revelation 21:1-8) some 3,700 years before its (still future) occurrence. For Isaiah gave that prophecy some 700 years before Jesus' first coming, but it won't be fulfilled until some 1,000 years after Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 21:8).

 

[Bible2]

sinning machine said in post 19:

This BEAST is not one man, as all carnal minded men are beasts

While plural "beasts" can indeed refer figuratively to plural men (Titus 1:12), Revelation uses a masculine-pronoun "him" to refer to its beast (Revelation 13:8) when it's referring to the individual "man" (Revelation 13:18) aspect of its beast, commonly called the Antichrist, the individual "man of sin" (2 Thessalonians 2:3) who will sit in a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). He will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and himself (Revelation 13:4,8, Revelation 12:9). He will rule the earth for 3.5 literal years (Revelation 13:5-10, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7), and will have a miracle-working False Prophet (Revelation 19:20, Revelation 16:13), who by amazing, Luciferian miracles (cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:9), such as calling fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:13), will deceive the people of the world into worshipping a speaking (possibly an android) image of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:15), and receiving a mark of the Antichrist's name or gematrial name-number (666) on their right hand or forehead (Revelation 13:16-18). The Antichrist and his False Prophet will ultimately be cast into the lake of fire at Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:20), whereas at that time Satan will be bound in the bottomless pit for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-3). None of these things has happened yet.

The idea of a future, individual-man Antichrist was correctly recognized in the scriptures by the church from early on. Irenaeus (born c. 140 AD) used the term: "speaking of Antichrist, [Paul] says, 'who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped'" (Against Heresies 3:6:5; 2 Thessalonians 2:4); "...by means of the events which shall occur in the time of Antichrist is it shown that he, being an apostate and a robber, is anxious to be adored as God" (Against Heresies 5:25:1; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36, Revelation 13:8); "...when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at Jerusalem" (Against Heresies 5:30:4b; Revelation 13:5; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7); "...the number of the name of the beast ... the name of Antichrist" (Against Heresies 5:30:1; Revelation 13:17c-18).

The gematrial numerical values of the letters in the Antichrist's name will add up to six hundred and sixty-six (Revelation 13:17c-18).

sinning machine said in post 19:

But the Greek word translated "man" in Rev. 13:18 is not aner, but rather the word anthropos, which means "a human being, male or female."

In Revelation 13:18, the original Greek can and does mean that six hundred and sixty-six is "the number of a man", meaning the gematrial number of the name (Revelation 13:17c-18, Revelation 15:2) of the individual human being who is the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast). Six hundred and sixty-six isn't the gematrial number of the names of all human beings.

sinning machine said in post 19:

With this in mind let’s read II Thes. 2:3:
"Let no man [‘let not any person,’ RSV, ‘Let no ONE…’] deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a FALLING AWAY first, and that man of sin [Gk: the lawless one] be revealed, the son of perdition [Gk: the one destined for destruction]. Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God [a god], or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God"

The Antichrist will fulfill 2 Thessalonians 2:4 after he by force takes control of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem, stops the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices (which the ultra-Orthodox Jews will have been offering in front of it), and has the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the temple (Daniel 11:31,36, Matthew 24:15).

The Antichrist could then make quite a show of his sitting himself in the temple and declaring himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36,31). And he could make a television and internet broadcast of it which will be seen live by the world (so that the "ye" in Matthew 24:15 could include people all around the world). He could first be shown entering the temple's most holy place in magnificent golden robes. He could then step up to the Ark of the Covenant (which could have been discovered, and placed in the temple by the Jews), and lift the Mercy Seat off of the Ark, showing the Ark to be empty. He could then look into the camera and say: "Where is YHWH? He is not here! He is a distant fraud! His power on this earth is as hollow as this empty Ark!" (The Antichrist will utterly revile YHWH: Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36.)

Then the Antichrist could raise the Mercy Seat high above his head only to suddenly smash it down violently to the ground, breaking it into pieces. The piped-in sound of crowds roaring with approval could then be heard in the background. Then the Antichrist could place his hands on the Ark and stare into the camera: "WE can do better than this". He could then knock over the Ark and stamp it with his foot, bashing in its side. Two of the Antichrist's followers in robes could then quickly come in and clear away the rubble of the Mercy Seat and the Ark, while 4 more men in robes carry into the temple's most holy place a magnificent golden throne and place it right where the Ark had been before. All the men could then bow down and motion with their arms for the Antichrist to sit on the throne. He could then grandly take his seat upon it.

Glorious symphonic music could then swell as the sound of crowds roaring with approval increases. Then the Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 19:20) (who could be an apostate pope) could enter the temple's most holy place and approach the Antichrist carrying a majestic golden crown encrusted with large diamonds and all kinds of precious stones. The Antichrist could take the crown from the pope's hands, and as the Antichrist is placing the crown on his own head, a camera could zoom in on his face as he says: "I AM THAT I AM. I AM YOUR GOD. Worship me, all ye nations of the earth!"

(cf. Revelation 13:8, Daniel 11:36; 2 Thessalonians 2:4)

sinning machine said in post 19:

Know ye not that ye are the temple of GOD, .... 1 Corinthians 3:16

While the church as a whole is a figurative temple building (Ephesians 2:21), it isn't the only temple of God. For it coexists with the literal temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), and with the temple of Jesus' individual human body (John 2:21), and with the temple of every Christian's individual human body (1 Corinthians 6:19). And if the church-as-a-whole temple can currently coexist with all these other temples of God, it will be able to coexist with the future, 3rd-earthly-literal temple building which Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 show will exist in Jerusalem during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. This 3rd temple building will be accepted by God as a valid temple, just as the 2nd temple building was accepted by God as a valid temple, even at the time of Jesus' first coming (Matthew 23:21) and even at the time of the early church (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17).

For the ultra-Orthodox Jews will build the 3rd temple, and they will offer animal sacrifices in front of it, under the auspices of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, which remains holy before God (Romans 7:12). That's why God still keeps an ark of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in his temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), and why it was possible for the apostle Paul one time to involve himself with the 2nd temple's Old Covenant Mosaic law practices without him committing sin (Acts 21:20-26; 1 Corinthians 9:20). This isn't to say that the Jesus-denying motives of the ultra-Orthodox Jews will be holy before God, but that the Old-Covenant-Mosaic-law 3rd temple in itself and its animal sacrifices in themselves will be holy before God because the Old Covenant Mosaic law in itself remains holy before God (Romans 7:12), even though its letter is no longer meant to be practiced by people (Romans 7:6) because the New Covenant has been inaugurated by Jesus and his once-for-all-time sacrifice on the Cross for our sins (Hebrews 10:1-23, Matthew 26:28).

sinning machine said in post 19:

Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; ... Acts 7:48

Acts 7:48-50 and Acts 17:24 refer back to the principle of Isaiah 66:1-2a, which was true even at the time of Solomon's temple (2 Chronicles 2:6). It means that the Creator God YHWH is too big to dwell only in temples made with hands. For it's not contradicting the fact that God did dwell in Solomon's temple (1 Kings 8:11) and then in the 2nd temple (Matthew 23:21). And so nothing requires that he won't also dwell in the 3rd temple which will be built during the future tribulation (Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36; 2 Thessalonians 2:4), and then in the 4th temple, which will be built during the future millennium (Zechariah 14:20-21, Zechariah 6:12-13).

 

[ViaCrucis]

Did John know the name of the beast in Revelation 13?

I think John knew, but was not allowed to give the name, because the beast's name was in what the seven thunders said... which he was told to write not.

Revelation 10
4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

John expects his readers to know. It's there in the text of chapter 13 of the Apocalypse.

If the first century readers didn't understand what was meant, then the whole bit about "let him who has wisdom..." is an exercise in wasting ink.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Douggg]

John expects his readers to know. It's there in the text of chapter 13 of the Apocalypse.

If the first century readers didn't understand what was meant, then the whole bit about "let him who has wisdom..." is an exercise in wasting ink.

-CryptoLutheran

Well, it wasn't Nero because he was not cast alive into the lake of fire.


Doug

There is no Salvation apart from the shed blood of Jesus.

 

[Bible2]

ViaCrucis said in post 28:

John expects his readers to know. It's there in the text of chapter 13 of the Apocalypse.

If the first century readers didn't understand what was meant, then the whole bit about "let him who has wisdom..." is an exercise in wasting ink.

The "wisdom" given in Revelation 13:18 is that six hundred and sixty-six is the number of the Antichrist's name (Revelation 13:17c-18). And the "understanding" in Revelation 13:18 that's required to properly "count", to add up, the number of his name, is having an understanding of gematria, which scripture itself employs with the 3 Greek letters at the end of Revelation 13:18 (in the original Greek Textus Receptus), and which scriptural gematria, sadly, many Christians today are either unaware of, or, even if they know about it, they refuse to employ it, mistakenly thinking that it's occult numerology/divination.

There are some verses in the Bible where in order to for us to understand them properly today, we need to recover the common, extra-Biblical knowledge that people back in Bible times already had without the Bible having to give it to them.

For example, when Revelation 6:6 says "A measure of wheat for a penny", the original Greek says a "choinix" of wheat for a "denarion". But the Bible doesn't explain how big a measure a choinix is or how much money a denarion is. For back when Revelation 6:6 was written, those who knew Greek already knew how big a measure a choinix was and how much money a denarion was. But today we need to go to extra-Biblical sources to recover the knowledge that a denarion was a full day's wages, and a choinix was probably about a quart. So Revelation 6:6 is saying that food will be so expensive that someone will have to work an entire day just to be able to buy a quart of wheat. But without going to extra-Biblical sources to properly understand Revelation 6:6, we today could read the KJV of that verse and go away with completely the wrong idea: that food will be so cheap that we will be able buy a measure of wheat for just a penny.

Just as the translators of the words of the Greek scriptures into English had to learn from extra-Biblical sources what those Greek words meant before they could translate them into English, so translators of Revelation 13:18 in the original Greek Textus Receptus had to learn from extra-Biblical sources that the last 3 Greek letters in that verse stand for 3 different numbers, according to the rules of gematria, and that those numbers have to be added together, again according to the rules of gematria, before the translators could properly translate those 3 different Greek letters into the number six hundred and sixty-six.

 

[Zadok7000]

Did John know the name of the beast in Revelation 13?

Which one? There are 2...

 

[Douggg]

Which one? There are 2...

The first beast.

Actually the first beast is the Antichrist-beast. The end times Antichrist person possessed by the beast spirit (unclean spirit ascending out of the bottomless pit). It is not over-whelming clear in my mind whether the number of the beast is that of the end times Antichrist person or the ancient being who was and is not, and is in the bottomless pit, even back in John's day.

Doug

 

[Zadok7000]

The first beast.

Actually the first beast is the Antichrist-beast. The end times Antichrist person possessed by the beast spirit (unclean spirit ascending out of the bottomless pit). It is not over-whelming clear in my mind whether the number of the beast is that of the end times Antichrist person or the ancient being who was and is not, and is in the bottomless pit, even back in John's day.

Doug

Just read it with a clear mind. The first beast is obviously a government, as it has 10 individuals (horns) ruling over 7 areas of land (heads). The 2nd beast heals it and gives it power. Satan is the 2nd beast in person, nobody is possessed by anything. The "end times antichrist person" and the "ancient being" is that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan. He rules over the 1 world government for his short time of wrath against us.

 

[Douggg]

Just read it with a clear mind. The first beast is obviously a government, as it has 10 individuals (horns) ruling over 7 areas of land (heads). The 2nd beast heals it and gives it power. Satan is the 2nd beast in person, nobody is possessed by anything. The "end times antichrist person" and the "ancient being" is that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan. He rules over the 1 world government for his short time of wrath against us.

Z, if I thought that my mind definitely would be extra foggy . The land mass is represented by the different animals, the Lion, the Bear, the Leopard.

The 7 heads are seven sequential kings of the fourth empire, the Roman Empire, of the Julio-Claudian Family. The seventh king will be the end times Antichrist, who will be mortally wounded and come back to life.

The ten horns are ten end times leaders of Europe in it's final form, who support the Antichrist.

Satan does not possess the beast, nor is the actual beast. The beast gets cast alive into the lake of fire when Jesus returns. Satan however gets bound and cast into the bottomless pit. Satan does empower the beast.


Doug

 

[Interplanner]

Complete list of “Dougg’s” beliefs that I can’t accept

1, no one knew a thing about the death and resurrection as the saving acts of God until after the Res. So I guess “He will save his people from their sins” was never said, and “Just as Moses lifted up the serpent…so will the Son of Man be lifted up” never explained to Nicodemus.

2, Instead of just a few pieces of Daniel handled as the NT does, there is an obsession to get Daniel all sorted, and it is futurist. Meaning, the 490 years does not end in the mid 1st century in an ordinary numerical sense. And yet, the one place that has its own built-in interp (ch 8) says the vision has to do with the tail end of Greece’s domain in the intertestament period.

3, Instead of accepting what Paul’s ‘sample’ synagogue sermon in Acts 13 says about David’s kingdom and how that resolves what was left hanging in ch 1, there is an insistence that the kingdom is yet to come and is going to be as expected in an ordinary sense. It would be really hard to think of any other reason for the Isaiah quote being there in Acts 13 other than to show all that was changed: it is a present kingdom, it is not a kingdom as we know it, and it meant to say that what was founded by Christ takes over what was expected for David.

4, while he is sure no one knew that the death and resurrection were the saving acts of God before the Res, #3 above is itself hidden from him! It is very odd but I have no other way of putting it. These things are best left to the passages themselves, not our categories of what is hidden or not. He may have a point about the Twelve and the death and resurrection (because they were mostly Galileans looking for a dramatic intervention for Israel), but too many declarations in both parts of the Bible become nonsense.

5, Many times Daniel says that a vision is sealed until the end. OK, but we don’t have to assume anything. We don’t have to assume his “end” is our end. And we don’t even have to assume there is but one meaning of sealed. So, in 9, when Messiah seals up prophecy, it actually means to confirm, validate and fulfill it. That is why it is with 6 other upbeat, substantial declarations that Messiah will accomplish. The context tells us whether Daniel means seal until an end or fulill. In 9’s paragraph on the destruction of Jerusalem, the “end” is that end. The “end” can mean that elsewhere as well, as many of Daniel’s visions have to do with the destiny of Israel—and the destruction of Jerusalem a second time is a major piece in that picture. So it is mistaken to assume the material is dripping with futurism.

 

[Bible2]

Interplanner said in post 35:

Instead of accepting what Paul’s ‘sample’ synagogue sermon in Acts 13 says about David’s kingdom and how that resolves what was left hanging in ch 1, there is an insistence that the kingdom is yet to come and is going to be as expected in an ordinary sense. It would be really hard to think of any other reason for the Isaiah quote being there in Acts 13 other than to show all that was changed: it is a present kingdom, it is not a kingdom as we know it, and it meant to say that what was founded by Christ takes over what was expected for David.

Note that none of Paul's teachings in Acts 13 contradicts the idea of Jesus reigning in a still-future, physical, Davidic kingdom of God on the earth, with both Jewish and Gentile believers.

Presently, the kingdom of God is in heaven (2 Timothy 4:18, Hebrews 12:22-24), and is on the earth spiritually within Christians (Romans 14:17, Luke 17:21). In the future, the kingdom will come fully upon the earth as it is in heaven (Matthew 6:10). It will be physically (Luke 22:30, Matthew 19:28) on the earth (Revelation 5:10), first during the future millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 66:3-4, Psalms 72:8-11, Zechariah 14:3-21) and then on the new earth (Revelation 21:1-8).

Jesus' kingdom is Israel (John 1:49, John 12:13-15, John 19:19, Luke 22:30). That's why at his 2nd coming, he will sit on the earthly throne of David (Luke 1:32-33, Isaiah 9:7) and restore the kingdom to Israel (Acts 1:6-7, Acts 3:20-21). Jesus is, in his humanity, the son of David (Matthew 1:1, Matthew 21:15-16, Romans 1:3), of the house of David (Luke 1:69). So at Jesus' 2nd coming, he will restore the tabernacle, the house, of David (Isaiah 16:5, Amos 9:11), to its royal glory (2 Samuel 5:12), which it had lost (2 Kings 17:21a). And Jesus will fulfill the prophecy and prayer of 2 Samuel 7:16-29. And he will bring salvation to all the unbelieving elect Jews of the house of David. For they (along with all other unbelieving elect Jews) will come into faith in him when they see him at his 2nd coming (Zechariah 12:10-14, Zechariah 13:1,6, Romans 11:26-31). And so they will all become part of the church at that time, for there are now no believers outside of the church (Ephesians 4:4-6).

After Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:3, Zechariah 14:3-5) will occur the millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Zechariah 14:8-21), during which, Gentile nations will come to seek the returned Jesus ruling the whole earth (Zechariah 8:22, Zechariah 14:9, Psalms 72:8-11) on the restored throne of David (Isaiah 9:7) in the earthly Jerusalem (Isaiah 2:1-4, Zechariah 14:8-11,16-19). And the bodily resurrected church will reign on the earth with the returned Jesus during the millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29). For the church is Israel (Romans 11:1,17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29, Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10).

Interplanner said in post 35:

Many times Daniel says that a vision is sealed until the end. OK, but we don’t have to assume anything. We don’t have to assume his “end” is our end.

The "time, times, and an half" in Daniel 12:7 is referred to in Revelation 12:14. And Revelation is an unsealed book (Revelation 22:10). So the meaning of the "time, times, and an half" in Daniel 12:7 was unsealed by the time Revelation was written in the first century AD. Therefore, "the end" in Daniel 12:4,9 must be "the end" in the same sense as in Hebrews 9:26 (see also 1 Corinthians 10:11b), which shows that (in one sense) "the end" of the world had already begun at the time of Jesus' first coming and his crucifixion for our sins.

So Daniel 12:4b can be referring to many Christians, at anytime after Jesus' first coming and the writing of Revelation, going to and fro, going back and forth, between the still-unfulfilled parts of Revelation and Daniel, and these Christians increasing their knowledge of what's going to happen in our future by seeing how much these two books complement each other (cf. Isaiah 28:9-10; 1 Corinthians 2:13).

Also, Daniel 12:6,8 doesn't contradict the fact that the time of the end in Daniel 12:4,9 can begin before the "time, times, and an half" in Daniel 12:7 and all the other "wonders" and "things" referred to in Daniel 12:6,8 have ended. For the "time, times, and an half" in Daniel 12:7 refers to only the specific time period of 3.5 literal years which would later be shown from 4 different angles in Revelation chapters 11 to 14 (Revelation 11:2b-3, Revelation 12:6,14, Revelation 13:5,7, Revelation 14:9-13), the detailed events of which have never been fulfilled. And Daniel 12:6 refers to the specific "wonders" that Daniel had just been told about in Daniel 11:2 to 12:3, which also include detailed events which have never been fulfilled (Daniel 11:31 to 12:3), including the church's resurrection into immortality (Daniel 12:2-3) at the time of the Antichrist's defeat (Daniel 11:45 to 12:3, Revelation 19:20 to 20:6), whereas Daniel 12:4,9 refers to a more general "time of the end" which began in the first century AD (Hebrews 9:26; 1 Corinthians 10:11b).

One part of Daniel that could have remained sealed until recently is the understanding of Daniel 12:11-12.

Daniel 12:11-12 and Revelation 16:15 could mean that 1,335 literal days after the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) is set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31), Jesus' 2nd coming will occur, and blessed are those believers who wait and remain obedient until that day. If the literal 1,260 days of the Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-8, Revelation 12:6) will begin when the abomination of desolation is set up, and if the 7 vials of God's wrath will begin on the day after the 1,260 days of the Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 11:15,19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1), and if the first 6 vials will be poured out over 30 days, then the 6th vial could be poured out on the 1,290th day after the abomination of desolation is set up (Daniel 12:11).

It's on this 1,290th day that the blessing of Daniel 12:12 and Revelation 16:15 could be given, after the 6th vial has been poured out (Revelation 16:12), encouraging those in the church who will still be alive on the earth at that time to keep holding on just 45 more days until Jesus' 2nd coming on the 1,335th day. The 45 days could be taken up by the gathering together of the world's armies to Armageddon (Revelation 16:14,16) (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel) and then their moving south to pillage Jerusalem, right before Jesus' 2nd coming and their total defeat (Zechariah 14:2-21, Revelation 19:19-21).

 

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