Time passes in Revelation 6-19

[Douggg]

Revelation chapters 6-19 content is about events that will take place in the 7 year 70th week. Let us begin...

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In Revelation 11:3 time passes - the two witnesses testimony time is 1260 days. Exactly half of a 2520 day 7 years.

The first half of the 7 years.

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Then moving into the second half, in Revelation 11:7-13 time passes - the two witnesses are killed and the bodies lay dead for 3 1/2 days before coming back to life and ascending to heaven. That same hour an earthquake hits Jerusalem, and 7,000 die. Then the 7th angel sounds. So all together, I think we can say 4 days.

Then in Revelation 12:7-9 time passes - when the 7th angel sounds, that signals Michael and his angels to cast Satan and his angels down to earth from the second heaven. The amount of time for the war is not stated.

Then in Revelation 12:14 - time passes - the woman given refuge in the wilderness, as Satan's little time left to persecute her is a time, times, a half time.

In Revelation 11:2, time passes - Jerusalem is trodden down by the gentiles 42 months.

In Revelation 13:5 time passes - the beast king rules for 42 months.

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So what we have is...

First half

1260 days - the two witnesses

Second half

first, 4 days - for the two witnesses called up to heaven/the earthquake/the 7th angel sounding. Leaving 1256 days left in the 7 years.

then, unstated time - for the war in the second heaven between Michael/his angels against Satan/his angels

then, time/times/half time - that Satan will have left

other activity in the Second half...

42 months (1256 days) of the beast king's rule, unhampered by the departed two witnesses. Concurrent with the 42 months (1256 days) of the gentiles treading down Jerusalem.

 

[Douggg]

Hopefully, the opening post explains why we have three time expressions in Revelation.

1260 days

42 months (1256 days)

time/times/half time (a little less than 1256 days)

 

[Fisherking]

Revelation chapters 6-19 content is about events that will take place in the 7 year 70th week. Let us begin...

Actually Rev. 4-19, but I will play along anyway without too much push back yet.

In Revelation 11:3 time passes - the two witnesses testimony time is 1260 days. Exactly half of a 2520 day 7 years.

The first half of the 7 years.

This of course has to be in error, the Two-witnesses die at the 2nd Woe, so they can not be in the first half of the 70th week. They do show up before the Beast who shows up in the middle (1260) of the week, but only by 2 1/2 months or 75 days, at the 1335, which comes before the 1260 imho.

So, I have to stop here because everything else you assume is built on a faulty promise my friend. Address this issue first.

 

[Douggg]

This of course has to be in error, the Two-witnesses die at the 2nd Woe, so they can not be in the first half of the 70th week.

14The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

No that verse is not establishing the timing of the two witnesses as being part of the second woe.

Hopefully, I can communicate this clearly. Here goes...

Okay, you got to know who is talking to understand in verse 14. It is the mighty angel from Revelation 10, who stands on the earth and sea and proclaims that the mystery of God would be finished in the days of the sounding of the 7th angel. That is where Revelation 11 is going - to get to where the 7th angel sounds.

Verse 14 in Revelation 11, is the mighty angel interjecting information that the second woe - as associated with the sixth trumpet has already been identified - which is the killing of a third of mankind by the 200,000,000 size army. And now it would soon be known what the third woe will be - because the 7th angel is about to sound his trumpet.

So when you are reading Revelation 10, 11, 12 - what it is all about is the mystery of God, that He declared to the prophets, being finished. Hinged on when the 7th trumpet sounds - which will also introduce what the third woe is. Which is Satan cast down to earth having great wrath in Revelation 12:12.

12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Satan's short time left at that point is the time/times/half time. So the 1260 days of the two witnesses, which are before the 7th angel sounds in Revelation 11:15, makes up the first half of the seven years.

 

[Douggg]

I almost forgot. What is the mystery of God ?

It is God's plan of undoing all the damage to creation done by Satan and his angels. And redeeming mankind, and restoring the earth.

 

[Douggg]

They do show up before the Beast who shows up in the middle (1260) of the week, but only by 2 1/2 months or 75 days, at the 1335, which comes before the 1260 imho.

The person becomes the beast before day 1260.

How can we know ? Because the 1335 days are from when the abomination of desolation is setup until Jesus returns. The abomination of desolation will be the statue image made of the beast king, that the false prophet has placed on the temple mount.

2520-1335 = day 1185 that the abomination of desolation is setup. Which is 75 days before day 1260 (the end of the two witnesses' testimony time).

During that the 75 days, the two witnesses will be battling the beast, as them in Judea are fleeing to the mountains to escape the persecution that's coming. The two witnesses provide cover in the way of calling down plagues.

Then on day 1260, the beast overcomes the two witnesses and kills the two witnesses. The first half of the 7 years - over. The worst yet to come during the second half of the 7 years.

 

[eleos1954]

Revelation chapters 6-19 content is about events that will take place in the 7 year 70th week. Let us begin...

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In Revelation 11:3 time passes - the two witnesses testimony time is 1260 days. Exactly half of a 2520 day 7 years.

The first half of the 7 years.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Then moving into the second half, in Revelation 11:7-13 time passes - the two witnesses are killed and the bodies lay dead for 3 1/2 days before coming back to life and ascending to heaven. That same hour an earthquake hits Jerusalem, and 7,000 die. Then the 7th angel sounds. So all together, I think we can say 4 days.

Then in Revelation 12:7-9 time passes - when the 7th angel sounds, that signals Michael and his angels to cast Satan and his angels down to earth from the second heaven. The amount of time for the war is not stated.

Then in Revelation 12:14 - time passes - the woman given refuge in the wilderness, as Satan's little time left to persecute her is a time, times, a half time.

In Revelation 11:2, time passes - Jerusalem is trodden down by the gentiles 42 months.

In Revelation 13:5 time passes - the beast king rules for 42 months.

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So what we have is...

First half

1260 days - the two witnesses

Second half

first, 4 days - for the two witnesses called up to heaven/the earthquake/the 7th angel sounding. Leaving 1256 days left in the 7 years.

then, unstated time - for the war in the second heaven between Michael/his angels against Satan/his angels

then, time/times/half time - that Satan will have left

other activity in the Second half...

42 months (1256 days) of the beast king's rule, unhampered by the departed two witnesses. Concurrent with the 42 months (1256 days) of the gentiles treading down Jerusalem.

This Historicism interpretation makes more biblical sense .... (here the 70 weeks)

Cliff's Edge––The 70-Weeks Made Simple | Adventist Review

there isn't a 2nd war in heaven .... satan has no access to heaven ... the war is on going on earth and will be finished here ... by God himself.

Attached is the historicism interpretation that accounts for the entire prophecy ....

 

[Douggg]

there isn't a 2nd war in heaven .... satan has no access to heaven ... the war is on going on earth and will be finished here ... by God himself.

eleos, in Revelation 12::7-9,is not a 2nd war in heaven - but a war in the second heaven. The second heaven being what we called the cosmos, universe.

Also, thanks for posting the SDA timeline chart. And while I do not agree with it, just knowing what the SDA position is via the timeline chart - is important in understanding others.

(note to some of the posters here, who go on emotional tirades whenever they don't agree to something. See ? I said that to eleos without any condensing remarks to another poster here, eleos in this case, that I disagree with certain things but without the emotional lecturing.)

 

[eleos1954]

eleos, in Revelation 12::7-9,is not a 2nd war in heaven - but a war in the second heaven. The second heaven being what we called the cosmos, universe.

Also, thanks for posting the SDA timeline chart. And while I do not agree with it, just knowing what the SDA position is via the timeline chart - is important in understanding others.

(note to some of the posters here, who go on emotional tirades whenever they don't agree to something. See ? I said that to eleos without any condensing remarks to another poster here, eleos in this case, that I disagree with certain things but without the emotional lecturing.)

The war in heaven ended when satan and his minions were cast down to the earth.

Revelation 12

The War in Heaven

7Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels. 9And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

10And I heard a loud voice in heaven saying:

“Now have come the salvation and the power

and the kingdom of our God,

and the authority of His Christ.

For the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down—

he who accuses them day and night before our God.

11They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb

and by the word of their testimony.

And they did not love their lives

so as to shy away from death.

12Therefore rejoice, O heavens,

and you who dwell in them!

But woe to the earth and the sea;

with great fury the devil has come down to you,

knowing he has only a short time.”

There is not war going on in heaven ... the war is taking place here on planet earth.

 

[Douggg]

The war in heaven ended when satan and his minions were cast down to the earth.

Revelation 12

The War in Heaven

7Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels. 9And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

10And I heard a loud voice in heaven saying:

“Now have come the salvation and the power

and the kingdom of our God,

and the authority of His Christ.

For the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down—

he who accuses them day and night before our God.

11They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb

and by the word of their testimony.

And they did not love their lives

so as to shy away from death.

12Therefore rejoice, O heavens,

and you who dwell in them!

But woe to the earth and the sea;

with great fury the devil has come down to you,

knowing he has only a short time.”

There is not war going on in heaven ... the war is taking place here on planet earth.

I agree with you that neither Satan nor his angels have free access to heaven (the third heaven), except in the limited sense of being summoned to stand before God.

There is a war going on, on earth, as Christians battle against powers and principalities in high places. But that is not the time/times/half time when Satan will be cast down to earth as the third woe, having great wrath knowing that his time is short.

 

[tranquil]

Revelation chapters 6-19 content is about events that will take place in the 7 year 70th week. Let us begin...

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In Revelation 11:3 time passes - the two witnesses testimony time is 1260 days. Exactly half of a 2520 day 7 years.

The first half of the 7 years.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Then moving into the second half, in Revelation 11:7-13 time passes - the two witnesses are killed and the bodies lay dead for 3 1/2 days before coming back to life and ascending to heaven. That same hour an earthquake hits Jerusalem, and 7,000 die. Then the 7th angel sounds. So all together, I think we can say 4 days.

Then in Revelation 12:7-9 time passes - when the 7th angel sounds, that signals Michael and his angels to cast Satan and his angels down to earth from the second heaven. The amount of time for the war is not stated.

Then in Revelation 12:14 - time passes - the woman given refuge in the wilderness, as Satan's little time left to persecute her is a time, times, a half time.

In Revelation 11:2, time passes - Jerusalem is trodden down by the gentiles 42 months.

In Revelation 13:5 time passes - the beast king rules for 42 months.

----------------------------------------------------

So what we have is...

First half

1260 days - the two witnesses

Second half

first, 4 days - for the two witnesses called up to heaven/the earthquake/the 7th angel sounding. Leaving 1256 days left in the 7 years.

then, unstated time - for the war in the second heaven between Michael/his angels against Satan/his angels

then, time/times/half time - that Satan will have left

other activity in the Second half...

42 months (1256 days) of the beast king's rule, unhampered by the departed two witnesses. Concurrent with the 42 months (1256 days) of the gentiles treading down Jerusalem.

the 2 witnesses 1260 days are the same as the 1260 days of the woman in the wilderness.

Rev 12

5 She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.​

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If the child symbolizes Jesus, he doesn't start to rule when the woman goes into the wilderness. The kingdom of heaven begins at the 7th Trumpet - thus the woman's 1260 days doesn't start at the 7th trumpet and has to begin before that.

 

[Douggg]

Rev 12
5 She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days

If the child symbolizes Jesus, he doesn't start to rule when the woman goes into the wilderness. The kingdom of heaven begins at the 7th Trumpet - thus the woman's 1260 days doesn't start at the 7th trumpet and has to begin before that.

I agree that the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 and Revelation 11:3 is before the 7th angel sounds.

Work on your chart. Show the beginning of the 7 years the confirmation of the covenant and the ending when Jesus Returns. Fit everything into the 7 year 70th week.

 

[Marilyn C]

Actually Rev. 4-19, but I will play along anyway without too much push back yet.


This of course has to be in error, the Two-witnesses die at the 2nd Woe, so they can not be in the first half of the 70th week. They do show up before the Beast who shows up in the middle (1260) of the week, but only by 2 1/2 months or 75 days, at the 1335, which comes before the 1260 imho.

So, I have to stop here because everything else you assume is built on a faulty promise my friend. Address this issue first.

I agree that the 2 witnesses are in the 2nd part of the trib.

 

[Marilyn C]

 

[Marilyn C]

 

[Marilyn C]

 

[Marilyn C]

 

[Douggg]

 

[Douggg]

 

[tranquil]

I agree that the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 and Revelation 11:3 is before the 7th angel sounds.

Work on your chart. Show the beginning of the 7 years the confirmation of the covenant and the ending when Jesus Returns. Fit everything into the 7 year 70th week.


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Jesus does not come back at the end of "7 years". There is no '7 years' - the 'great tribulation' is shortened even by how you reckon it (Matthew 24:22). Thus, no 7 years!

The covenant is confirmed by the 'mighty angel' of Rev 10. This happens at the exact time of the 'sign of the son of man in heaven' of Matt 24:30.
This occurs immediately after the 30 days of great tribulation (the 1st 30 days of the 1290 days). It is the covenant that allows the woman to be protected by the 'earth'.
The sign of the son of man in heaven is the Rev 12:1-2 'great sign in heaven'.

26So if they tell you, ‘There He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.​

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29Immediately after the tribulation of those days:​

‘The sun will be darkened,​

and the moon will not give its light;​

the stars will fall from the sky,​

and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.b’​

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30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.​

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The 'angels' (just means 'messengers' in Greek) are the 2 witnesses gathering people until the 7th Trumpet.