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Did Jesus go to Hades?

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Just read that epistle I suggest, and if you like, talk with me another day. Have a nice evening!
I have read the epistle many times including more than once in this thread and I have shown how your interpretation is false.
No, zero, none scriptures say that Jesus descended into hell for any purpose. As I have said more than once if Jesus preached to all the dead of Noah's time what was His purpose? There were no dead people saved. The only people were were saved in Noah's time was Noah and his family, 8 people.
If Jesus' purpose was to save people at the time of Noah then His mission was a failure.
 
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Yes, Christ descended to the place of the dead, in victory. This is known as the Harrowing of Hell. Christ is victorious over sin, death, hell, and the devil.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I have read the epistle many times including more than once in this thread and I have shown how your interpretation is false.
No, zero, none scriptures say that Jesus descended into hell for any purpose. As I have said more than once if Jesus preached to all the dead of Noah's time what was His purpose? There were no dead people saved. The only people were were saved in Noah's time was Noah and his family, 8 people.
If Jesus' purpose was to save people at the time of Noah then His mission was a failure.
If you look closely, you'll find out I don't even have an interpretation on the 1rst Peter verses, but am taking them just as they say without changes.

1 Peter 4:6 That is why the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged as men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

The words simply say the gospel was preached to the dead. I believe the words. Of course we should all believe. Have a blessed Sunday!
 
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If you look closely, you'll find out I don't even have an interpretation on the 1rst Peter verses, but am taking them just as they say without changes.
1 Peter 4:6 That is why the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged as men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
The words simply say the gospel was preached to the dead. I believe the words. Of course we should all believe. Have a blessed Sunday!
This is the heterodox scam known as "proof texting" take 1-2 verses out-of-context and base some belief on that verse irrespective of any other verse(s).
Do you know the difference between a past tense and a present tense?
This verse does not say that the gospel was preached to anyone when they were dead.
Preached [past tense] to those who are now dead [present tense].
Now lets see what the rest of the Bible says.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Isaiah 26:14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.
Psalms 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Psalms 88:10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah.
Psalms 88:11 Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction?
Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Isaiah 38:18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.
John 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
 
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It does seem to me pretty clear though that if God gave those from before the Flood a chance at repentance and salvation through the gospel, then not showing favoritism, one could expect that some equal chance at repentance and salvation through faith in Christ could be expected then for any of the dead that had never heard the gospel, as they would presumably have an equal chance, there being no favoritism. (God would have no trouble bringing together souls from any time, as time is not an obstacle for the almighty.)

On the more complex and less fully known situation in regard to Hades and the possibility of 'purgatory' for instance, the Catholic doctrine, I've gotten the impression that even for Catholics that not very much is known about it past a couple of limited things, but perhaps someone could fill in more?
Here's what I know about that.

Anyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. (the reason for the bodily resurrection) Scriptures below.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Further reading: (Isaiah 45:23, Romans 14:11, Philippians 2:10, Revelation 15:4)
 
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So where did Christ descend to? Where is this place biblically?
The heart of the earth. Known as the realm of the dead. (29 references in the NIV translation)

Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Note: Christ was laid in an above ground tomb. Where is the heart of the earth?

1 Peter 3:18-20
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,

Ephesians 4:8-10
This is why it says:
“When he ascended on high,
he took many captives
and gave gifts to his people.”
9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also
descended to the lower, earthly regions?
10 He who descended is the very one who ascended
higher than all the heavens,
in order to fill the whole universe.)

1 Peter 4:6
For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
 
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1 Peter 3:19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison NKJV

There is a controversy over the above passage. Peter seems to be saying that Jesus went to hell and preached.

Eph 4:9 (Now this, "He ascended" — what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? NKJV

Paul seems to be in agreement.

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise." NKJV

Jesus told the thief who died with Him that they would both be in paradise the day they died.

Luke 16:19 "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. NKJV

In Jesus' parable of Lazarus the beggar and the rich man, Lazarus was in comfort in Abraham's bosom. When Abraham (Gen 15:15) died he went to his fathers. When Moses (Dt 31:16) and David (2Sam 7:12) died it was said that they rested with their fathers. All of these were righteous Israelis. Lazarus was a son of Abraham and went to rest with his fathers.

Yep, Jesus going to hades at His resurrection and preaching to the spirits in prison was actually Old Testament prophecy for His 1st coming:

Isa 42:6-7
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

KJV



1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
KJV

1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

KJV

Many forget that 1 Peter 4:5-6 Scripture that goes with that event of Christ's preaching The Gospel to the "spirits in prison". Just like we have literal prisons here on earth for the wicked, same idea as a "prison house" exists in the Heavenly dimension.


Samuel was resurrected by a medium (1Sam 28:13-14).When Samuel was resurrected he ascended from the earth and asked why he had been brought up. Righteous Israelis go to their fathers, and Abraham is a father of Samuel, he must be where the other righteous Israelis are. In the OT all the righteous died and went to someplace located the earth to be with their fathers.

It is assumed that the witch of Endor conjured up the spirit of Samuel the prophet, but evil spirits are able to deceive. So I don't believe that truly was Samuel she conjured up, but instead her familiar spirit she had putting on the appearance of Samuel.
 
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Yep, Jesus going to hades at His resurrection and preaching to the spirits in prison was actually Old Testament prophecy for His 1st coming:
Isa 42:6-7
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

KJV
1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
KJV
1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

KJV
Many forget that 1 Peter 4:5-6 Scripture that goes with that event of Christ's preaching The Gospel to the "spirits in prison". Just like we have literal prisons here on earth for the wicked, same idea as a "prison house" exists in the Heavenly dimension.
It is assumed that the witch of Endor conjured up the spirit of Samuel the prophet, but evil spirits are able to deceive. So I don't believe that truly was Samuel she conjured up, but instead her familiar spirit she had putting on the appearance of Samuel.
The Grave/Hell is never called prison and prison is never called the grave/hell in the Bible.
Luke 4:18-19
(18) The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
(19) To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Here Jesus announces His earthly ministry. The word translated "captives" literally means "prisoners of war" those are the captives Jesus preached freedom to. The primary meaning of the word translated "deliverance" is "freedom."
1 Peter 3:18-20
(18) For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
(19) By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
(20) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
In the grave/hell there were only dead people no poor, brokenhearted, captives or blind for Jesus to preach to.
.....If Jesus did, in fact, preach in the grave/hell then He was a failure since the only people who were saved was Noah and his family and they were alive not dead.
 
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The Grave/Hell is never called prison and prison is never called the grave/hell in the Bible.
Luke 4:18-19
(18) The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
(19) To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Here Jesus announces His earthly ministry. The word translated "captives" literally means "prisoners of war" those are the captives Jesus preached freedom to. The primary meaning of the word translated "deliverance" is "freedom."
1 Peter 3:18-20
(18) For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
(19) By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
(20) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
In the grave/hell there were only dead people no poor, brokenhearted, captives or blind for Jesus to preach to.
.....If Jesus did, in fact, preach in the grave/hell then He was a failure since the only people who were saved was Noah and his family and they were alive not dead.


Rev 20:7
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

KJV

Same Greek word used for earthly prisons per New Testament Scripture. So there is... such a thing as a heavenly prison house.
 
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Rev 20:7
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

KJV
Same Greek word used for earthly prisons per New Testament Scripture. So there is... such a thing as a heavenly prison house.
Nice try.
There was no universal prison where dead souls are imprisoned and Jesus did not go to the place of the dead, departed and preach to anyone

Revelation 20:1-3
1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain.
2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
 
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Nice try.
There was no universal prison where dead souls are imprisoned and Jesus did not go to the place of the dead, departed and preach to anyone

Revelation 20:1-3
1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain.
2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

That's where Satan's prison house is, in the abyss, hell.

Peter was not lying about the "spirits in prison". Knowing that Scripture is definitely about an event in the heavenly is easy. It's ignorance to try and show different.
 
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1 Peter 3:19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison NKJV

There is a controversy over the above passage. Peter seems to be saying that Jesus went to hell and preached.

Eph 4:9 (Now this, "He ascended" — what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? NKJV

Paul seems to be in agreement.

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise." NKJV

Jesus told the thief who died with Him that they would both be in paradise the day they died.

Luke 16:19 "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. NKJV

In Jesus' parable of Lazarus the beggar and the rich man, Lazarus was in comfort in Abraham's bosom. When Abraham (Gen 15:15) died he went to his fathers. When Moses (Dt 31:16) and David (2Sam 7:12) died it was said that they rested with their fathers. All of these were righteous Israelis. Lazarus was a son of Abraham and went to rest with his fathers.

Samuel was resurrected by a medium (1Sam 28:13-14).When Samuel was resurrected he ascended from the earth and asked why he had been brought up. Righteous Israelis go to their fathers, and Abraham is a father of Samuel, he must be where the other righteous Israelis are. In the OT all the righteous died and went to someplace located the earth to be with their fathers.

The thief on the cross went with Jesus to paradise. By John 20: 17 Jesus did not ascend to heaven until 3 days after the crucifixion. We know that those in Abraham's bosom could talk as well as see those held in Hades. While Jesus was in paradise, in the depths of the earth, He preached to all in Hades.
He had to have. How else did He get the keys to Hades and bust it wide open?
 
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The late Keith Green originally made the song famous, written by Jamie Owens Collins
The Victor Keith Green
The Victor

Swallowed into earth's dark womb
And death has triumphed, that's what they say
But tried to hold Him in the tomb
The Son of Life rose on the third day

[Pre-Chorus 1]
Just look
The gates of hell, they're falling
Crumbling from the inside out
He's bursting through the walls with laughter, ha!
Listen to the angels shout, listen

[Chorus]
It is finished
He has done it
Life conquered death
Jesus Christ
Has won it

[Verse 2]
His plan of battle, you know it
He fooled them all
They led Him off to prison to die
But as He entered Hades Hall
He broke those hellish chains with a cry


[Pre-Chorus 2]
Just listen to those demons screaming
See Him bruise the serpent's head
The prisoners of Hell He's redeeming, oh!
All the power of death is dead

[Chorus]
It is finished
He has done it
Life conquered death
Jesus Christ
Has won it

[Interlude]

[Pre-Chorus 1]
Just look
The gates of hell, they're falling
Crumbling from the inside out
He's bursting through the walls with laughter, ha!
Listen to the angels shout, listen

[Chorus]
It is finished
He has done it
Life conquered death
Jesus Christ
Has won it
It is finished
He has done it
Life conquered death
Jesus Christ
Has won it
 
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This is the heterodox scam known as "proof texting" take 1-2 verses out-of-context and base some belief on that verse irrespective of any other verse(s).
Do you know the difference between a past tense and a present tense?
This verse does not say that the gospel was preached to anyone when they were dead.
Preached [past tense] to those who are now dead [present tense].
No lets see what the read of the rest of the Bible says.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Isaiah 26:14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.
Psalms 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Psalms 88:10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah.
Psalms 88:11 Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction?
Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Isaiah 38:18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.
John 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

2 things to watch out for: thinking Truth B cancels Truth A, and holding doctrines as a substitute for the scripture.

When you have Truth A, it doesn't follow that Truth B is canceled. If Truth B is in scripture, it's simply Truth. So, then you have both Truth A and Truth B. If you believe in God's word, ultimately.

Unless we read fully through entire books though with true listening, we would not be able to hear even the clear direct messages, of course.

Consider: there are many doctrines, and they are like attempts to interpret or summarize, and many doctrines, even a very large number, disagree with other doctrines from other churches.

So...who decides which doctrine is correct? Of course, only the Word of God alone is absolute Truth.

So, when you have a real truth -- such that Christ makes us alive in a true way -- that is good, but it's not the entirety of scripture(!). We should not stop reading scripture after we have several key things, but should continue to read in a listening way, over the years, continuing.
 
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2 things to watch out for: thinking Truth B cancels Truth A, and holding doctrines as a substitute for the scripture.
When you have Truth A, it doesn't follow that Truth B is canceled. If Truth B is in scripture, it's simply Truth. So, then you have both Truth A and Truth B. If you believe in God's word, ultimately.
Unless we read fully through entire books though with true listening, we would not be able to hear even the clear direct messages, of course.
Consider: there are many doctrines, and they are like attempts to interpret or summarize, and many doctrines, even a very large number, disagree with other doctrines from other churches.
So...who decides which doctrine is correct? Of course, only the Word of God alone is absolute Truth.
So, when you have a real truth -- such that Christ makes us alive in a true way -- that is good, but it's not the entirety of scripture(!). We should not stop reading scripture after we have several key things, but should continue to read in a listening way, over the years, continuing.
Vague generalities. Illogical assumptions. Nothing specific to learn from.
 
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The lake of fire passages, in context.
Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
And 1000 years later, the beast and the false prophet, who is a person, are still in the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and [they] shall be tormented [plural verb] day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
The lake of fire [LOF] is called “the second death” twice in Rev. vss. 20:14 and 21:8. While this is true, Rev. never says that anyone is thrown into the LOF then they die.
The terms “the lake of fire” and “the second death” are interchangeable.
The lake of fire” is “the second death” and “the second death” is “the lake of fire,” thus we can see that it is not synonymous with death or destruction.
…..We also see that being thrown into the LOF is not synonymous with death from Rev 19:20, where the beast and the false prophet, who is a person, are thrown into the LOF and 1000 years later in 20:10 the devil, is thrown into the LOF. Three living beings, are thrown into the LOF but they do not die, they are tormented day and night for ever and ever. There is not one verse in Revelation which says anyone/anything is thrown into the LOF then they/it dies.
…..Rev 20:14 says death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. Death is the point in time end of life; it has no physical presence and cannot be literally thrown anywhere.
If “hell” refers to the grave, graves are empty holes. Empty cannot be thrown anywhere.
Since neither death nor hell could/did die a first death they can’t die a second death. But there is a scriptural answer which does not involve jumping through hoops mixing literal and figurative in one sentence, there is a death and hell which can be thrown into the LOF.

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
My name for these two beings are the angel of death and the demon of hell. They are thrown into the LOF and their power to kill ended.
….More verses which show that the LOF is not synonymous with death or destruction.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
. Rev 21:4 says “there shall be no more death” in vs. 5 Jesus said “Behold I make all things new.” “No more death” but 3 verses later Rev 21:8 says 8 groups “shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” If there is “no more death” after vs. 4 then those thrown into the lake of fire in vs. 8 do not die although it is called the “second death.”.
 
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1 Peter 3:19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison NKJV

There is a controversy over the above passage. Peter seems to be saying that Jesus went to hell and preached.

Eph 4:9 (Now this, "He ascended" — what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? NKJV

Paul seems to be in agreement.

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise." NKJV

Jesus told the thief who died with Him that they would both be in paradise the day they died.

Luke 16:19 "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. NKJV

In Jesus' parable of Lazarus the beggar and the rich man, Lazarus was in comfort in Abraham's bosom. When Abraham (Gen 15:15) died he went to his fathers. When Moses (Dt 31:16) and David (2Sam 7:12) died it was said that they rested with their fathers. All of these were righteous Israelis. Lazarus was a son of Abraham and went to rest with his fathers.

Samuel was resurrected by a medium (1Sam 28:13-14).When Samuel was resurrected he ascended from the earth and asked why he had been brought up. Righteous Israelis go to their fathers, and Abraham is a father of Samuel, he must be where the other righteous Israelis are. In the OT all the righteous died and went to someplace located the earth to be with their fathers.

The thief on the cross went with Jesus to paradise. By John 20: 17 Jesus did not ascend to heaven until 3 days after the crucifixion. We know that those in Abraham's bosom could talk as well as see those held in Hades. While Jesus was in paradise, in the depths of the earth, He preached to all in Hades.

The Catholic perspective is that Jesus went to hell.

...As stated in the Apostles' Creed.
 
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The Catholic perspective is that Jesus went to hell.
...As stated in the Apostles' Creed.
Moses did not carry the "apostles creed" down from mount Sinai.
Why would Jesus preach to dead souls in the grave/hell when there is no salvation in the grave/hell, see my post #24 above.
 
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The Catholic perspective is that Jesus went to hell.

...As stated in the Apostles' Creed.
The Catholic perspective is also to pray to Mary who nowhere in the Bible does it say she was anything more than a vessel by which He was carried. She could not bless Christ on the cross or save Him. She was helpless to do anything just as she is now. Statues of her are idols. Catholics also have the most backwards man leading their church, a man who is twisting the word of God and changing the traditions of the church. Your pope is a false prophet.
 
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