Did Capitol Police On Jan 6th Open Barricades, Allowing Attendees To Enter The Capitol Building, The Capitol Police Chief Believed So?

[Truth7t7]

Sigh.. Let's put that to the text.

The time on the screenshot of the terrorists kicking the door open is :37. At :39, 2 seconds later, in that video we see a terrorist wearing an American flag cowboy hat climbing through the busted out window.
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Going to some footage recorded outside, we see that same terrorist climbing through the window at 1:01.
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The camera then pans to the right and we see Chansley 5 seconds later at 1:06 in very close proximity to the door being broken open and anxiously awaiting his turn to invade our sacred Capitol. He was fully aware that the windows were being smashed out and that the doors were being broken open from the inside.
View attachment 333926He wasn't waved in. He wasn't welcomed. He wasn't escorted.

My statement was he didn't witness the police moving backwards in the hallway, or the door being kicked from the inside, he dint witness a police presence or resistance to entry,, just as the 1,000 behind him,, you can make all the assertions you want, that's my observation and opinion

Chansley was escorted in the building by 2 armed police, and at one time was in the presence of 8-9 armed police without arrest or incident moving freely

 

[Truth7t7]

Too bad that you’re not a Federal District judge trying these folk, they’d’ve gotten off!

I see things the same way Federal Judge McFadden saw it

I see it the same way Ted Cruz, Tom Cotton, and millions of Americans see it, with the same questions to the DOJ on Ray Epps and FBI assets and presence on Jan 6th "Without A Direct Answer"

 

[USincognito]

I Disagree....

We know. You do that a lot, but you never actually address the facts presented to you*. You just keep reasserting debunked talking points from early 2021 or from Tucker's debunked "expose".

Every single one of them who entered the building was guilty of interfering with an official proceeding. This is from Chansley's indictment.

>> On or about January 6, 2021, within the District of Columbia, JACOB ANTHONY CHANSEL Y, also known as "Jacob Angeli," attempted to, and did corruptly obstruct, influence, and impede an official proceeding, that is, a proceeding before Congress, by committing an act of civil disorder, and threatening Congressional officials, and unlawfully remaining in a restricted building without lawful authority, and engaging in disorderly and disruptive conduct.
(Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1512(c)(2)) <<

He was guilty of disrupting the certification of ballots by illegally entering the U.S. Capitol when it was closed not only for the certification, but due to Covid-19. He specifically was disruptive and disorderly when he was shouting obscenities in the Senate Gallery and then when he went down to the Senate Flood and desecrated the speakers dais with his filthy fur getup.

*I predict that ironically you'll reply by disagreeing with this.

 

[USincognito]

Chansley didn't vandalize or destroy property, guilt by association is a false platform for prosecution

So what? He's guilty of trespassing on property where he was not allowed to be, for refusing requests from officers that he leave and for disrupting an official proceeding. He PLED GUILTY to all of that.

Judge: Overruled As Hearsay

This shtick is neither cute nor clever and seeing as your knowledge of American jurisprudence is limited to watching Tucker Carlson on YouTube or Rumble, it's also making you look silly.

On the other hand, Ray Epps is seen making the statement, we are going to enter the Capitol, he was seen on the high scaffold inciting the crowd to enter the barricaded area, he was seen directing the crowd to the capitol building stating "That's Where Our Problem Is"

So weren't dozens of other rabble-rousers. You only know about Epps because the Conservisphere has tried to make him a scapegoat.

It's amazing how Epps was on the FBI's top 20 list for 6 months, and removed,

You've been corrected on this several times already. Epps was not on a "top 20 list". He was on a list of persons of interest and he contacted the FBI after learning he was on said list. After they interviewed him, he was no longer a person of interest and was removed.

 

[Pommer]

So what? He's guilty of trespassing on property where he was not allowed to be, for refusing requests from officers that he leave and for disrupting an official proceeding. He PLED GUILTY to all of that.

Injustice is injustice no matter whom is the “beneficiary” of government’s actions.
If the Chansley case rises to the level of unjust is just a matter of bold, vigorous, opinion.
On the whole I’m enjoying the thread

This shtick is neither cute nor clever and seeing as your knowledge of American jurisprudence is limited to watching Tucker Carlson on YouTube or Rumble, it's also making you look silly.

So weren't dozens of other rabble-rousers. You only know about Epps because the Conservisphere has tried to make him a scapegoat.

Not all people in the photos/videos are being prosecuted and this somehow means that “innocent people” are being convicted (Plea or Trial).
This is one of those arguments, that can “seem to make sense” on the surface, which is all some need go, apparently.

You've been corrected on this several times already. Epps was not on a "top 20 list". He was on a list of persons of interest and he contacted the FBI after learning he was on said list. After they interviewed him, he was no longer a person of interest and was removed.

FBI: He’s not hiding anything!
GOP: What is the FBI hiding!?

It’s really elegant in it’s way.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Chansley didn't vandalize or destroy property, guilt by association is a false platform for prosecution

Judge: Overruled As Hearsay

Chansley was with those who did and was breaking the law by walking in.

And the Judge did not overrule as hearsay - he was sentenced to 41 months in jail.

On the other hand, Ray Epps is seen making the statement, we are going to enter the Capitol, he was seen on the high scaffold inciting the crowd to enter the barricaded area, he was seen directing the crowd to the capitol building stating "That's Where Our Problem Is"

It's amazing how Epps was on the FBI's top 20 list for 6 months, and removed, and presently Epps is a free man without charge, arrest, or prosecution, 2.5+ years and waiting

Chansley was on a high scafford cheering it on too.

This is before they entered the Capitol:

Where is a picture of Epps on a scaffold?
I think he should be in jail too, but in the meantime, support your claims.

 

[FreeinChrist]

My statement was he didn't witness the police moving backwards in the hallway, or the door being kicked from the inside, he dint witness a police presence or resistance to entry,, just as the 1,000 behind him,, you can make all the assertions you want, that's my observation and opinion

Chansley was escorted in the building by 2 armed police, and at one time was in the presence of 8-9 armed police without arrest or incident moving freely

He would have to be a total space cadet not to hear and see the glass breaking and the fellows kicking open the door.
Chansley was not "escorted" like a guest. The cops wanted him to leave and were trying to get him to leave.

Really, your support of illegal activities here is really problematic.

 

[Pommer]

Pommer Chansley was in the middle of 9 armed capitol police,, if there was was a "Crime" he would have been arrested, and you aren't going to convince me otherwise

The federal Judge ruled that capitol police officers were allowing attendees into the rotunda door, those that passed over broken glass from the unlawful vandals, he dismissed 4 counts of trespass, get off the the false MSM narrative, that everybody in the capitol building was breaking the law

Hey let's pretend as if the Judicial officer didn't rule in a decision, do you respect the rule of law?

The loud and angry crowd that stormed the Capitol on January 6 2021 would have taken the abduction of a mascot, (apparently), with aplomb?
Yeah, they would have ceased being angry if that would have happened!
Sure.

 

[Truth7t7]

We know. You do that a lot, but you never actually address the facts presented to you*. You just keep reasserting debunked talking points from early 2021 or from Tucker's debunked "expose".

Every single one of them who entered the building was guilty of interfering with an official proceeding. This is from Chansley's indictment.

>> On or about January 6, 2021, within the District of Columbia, JACOB ANTHONY CHANSEL Y, also known as "Jacob Angeli," attempted to, and did corruptly obstruct, influence, and impede an official proceeding, that is, a proceeding before Congress, by committing an act of civil disorder, and threatening Congressional officials, and unlawfully remaining in a restricted building without lawful authority, and engaging in disorderly and disruptive conduct.
(Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1512(c)(2)) <<

He was guilty of disrupting the certification of ballots by illegally entering the U.S. Capitol when it was closed not only for the certification, but due to Covid-19. He specifically was disruptive and disorderly when he was shouting obscenities in the Senate Gallery and then when he went down to the Senate Flood and desecrated the speakers dais with his filthy fur getup.

*I predict that ironically you'll reply by disagreeing with this.

Once again people were waived into the capitol building by officers, the judged ruled the capitol officers "Allowed Entrance" into the capitol, 4 counts of trespass were acquitted, my opinion isn't going to change with the presented facts

Answer why the FBI is prosecuting supposed trespassers, while Ray Epps is guilty in my opinion as per observation of "Seditious Conspiracy" as he stated on Jan 5 were are going into the capitol, he stated pointing at the capitol thats where our problem is, and he incited the crowd to enter the barricaded area to enter the capitol, all done from the high scaffold moving to carry out his plan

Please respond to the claims on "Ray Epps" and his FBI neglected charges, and prosecution?

Ray Epps was the main driving force inciting attendees to storm the capitol, and my eyes and millions of others witnessed the same

 

[Truth7t7]

Chansley was not "escorted" like a guest. The cops wanted him to leave and were trying to get him to leave.

Of course he was escorted on a capitol tour just as Tucker Carlson described, he was amongst 8-9 armed capitol police, without any visible resistance, restraint, or arrest, your narrative fails in light of the visible facts presented in the Carlson clip

You can claim video time stamps or whatever, I'm not persuaded that Chansley was a wanted trespasser that the capitol police were trying to walk out the door

 

[Truth7t7]

Where is a picture of Epps on a scaffold?
I think he should be in jail too, but in the meantime, support your claims.

Something we agree upon, and a mystery why he hasn't been charged, arrested, and prosecuted by the FBI, the DOJ won't even answer congressional questions on Ray Epps when asked?

 

[FreeinChrist]

Something we agree upon, and a mystery why he hasn't been charged, arrested, and prosecuted by the FBI?

You said he was on the scaffolding. Where is the image of that? Most of the images from that day come from the rioters themselves.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Of course he was escorted on a capitol tour just as Tucker Carlson described, he was amongst 8-9 armed capitol police, without any visible resistance, restraint, or arrest, your narrative fails in light of the visible facts presented in the Carlson clip

You can claim video time stamps or whatever, I'm not persuaded that Chansley was a wanted trespasser that the capitol police were trying to walk out the door

Your argument is with the law and the judge who sentenced Chansley.

He was with a group that vandalized and broke into the Capitol where they were not suppose to be. That was all illegal.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Once again people were waived into the capitol building by officers, the judged ruled the capitol officers "Allowed Entrance" into the capitol, 4 counts of trespass were acquitted, my opinion isn't going to change with the presented facts

And once again, the people in the videos posted here were not "allowed entrance" but instead overwhelmed the Capitol police who had to retreat.

 

[SimplyMe]

Chansley didn't vandalize or destroy property, guilt by association is a false platform for prosecution

Judge: Overruled As Hearsay

On the other hand, Ray Epps is seen making the statement, we are going to enter the Capitol, he was seen on the high scaffold inciting the crowd to enter the barricaded area, he was seen directing the crowd to the capitol building stating "That's Where Our Problem Is"

It's amazing how Epps was on the FBI's top 20 list for 6 months, and removed, and presently Epps is a free man without charge, arrest, or prosecution, 2.5+ years and waiting

By this logic, if I see burglars breaking into your house, I am completely free to enter your house, watch the TV a bit, etc, so long as I don't "vandalize or destroy property." Something tells me that you wouldn't believe this claim, if I used this argument, after I had walked around in your house for an hour or two (maybe even with you asking me to leave and following me around, as if you were escorting me) -- somehow I think you'd want me charged with trespassing. This seems to be special pleading that somehow Chansley was "innocent."

 

[A2SG]

Chansley didn't vandalize or destroy property, guilt by association is a false platform for prosecution

Judge: Overruled As Hearsay

Hey, everyone! Party at Truth's house!

If it looks like he's asking you to leave, that's his way of waving you in. Come on in and make yourself at home!

"Be there, it'll be wild!"

-- A2SG, let's take a group photo....big smiles, everyone!

 

[Truth7t7]

You said he was on the scaffolding. Where is the image of that?

At 12:25-1:30 in the attached clip, Ray Epps as the "scaffold commander", is seen inciting the crowd to take the capitol

Quote Ray Epps "Screaming":

"Ok Were In, Were In, We Are Going To Fill Up The Capitol", "Come Now We Need Help"!

The Clip, Best Ray Epps Compilation

 

[Truth7t7]

By this logic, if I see burglars breaking into your house, I am completely free to enter your house, watch the TV a bit, etc, so long as I don't "vandalize or destroy property."

You conveniently forgot the welcoming part at the capitol building, in a false narrative surrounding a burglar "Wrong" Real Big Smiles!

The capitol police removed barricades and waved attendees into the capitol without resistance in violation of policy, just as the Capitol police chief stated

Federal Judge McFadden stated that capitol police "Allowed Entrance" into the capitol, as seen in post #159 below

 

[Truth7t7]

And once again, the people in the videos posted here were not "allowed entrance" but instead overwhelmed the Capitol police who had to retreat.

I don't follow your narrative, I follow the capitol police chiefs statement, and Judge McFadden's statements and rulings

As you have been shown multiple times, Federal Judge McFadden stated "Allowed Entrance" into the rotunda door

McFadden: two police officers standing near the Rotunda doors and allowing people to enter as Martin approached.

NPR​

Judge issues the first outright acquittal of a defendant charged over the Jan. 6 riot​

April 7, 2022

The judge, however, said video shows two police officers standing near the Rotunda doors and allowing people to enter as Martin approached. One of the officers appeared to lean back before Martin placed a hand on the officer's shoulder as a possible sign of gratitude, the judge said.

McFadden described Martin's testimony as "largely credible." The judge said it was not unreasonable for him to believe that officers allowed him to enter the Capitol, even though alarms were blaring and broken glass was strewn about the floor.

 

[FreeinChrist]

At 12:25-1:30 in the attached clip, Ray Epps as the scaffold commander, is seen inciting the crowd to take the capitolhttps://www.christianforums.com/tickets/please-delete-close-my-account.9079/

Quote Ray Epps "Screaming":
"Ok Were In, Were In, We Are Going To Fill Up The Capitol", "Come Now We Need Help"!

The Clip, Best Ray Epps Compilation

Great.

Did Epps go into the Capitol?