Did all the laws end at the cross- Part 2

[Leaf473]

Have you ever read a book and later in the book it reveals more details of the same subject? I am a believer there are no contradictions in scripture, just misunderstandings. The details in Lev 11 cannot be misunderstood, it's so clear and expands on Gensis 9, but if you choose to write in "unclean foods' to Genesis 9 and disregard Lev 11 that is your free choice. I think the warning in Isaiah 66:17 would make me pause, but that's me.

I agree that there aren't contradictions in Scripture.

Genesis 9 doesn't talk about clean or unclean, just every moving thing that lives.

It's obviously a change from just plants. God even tells us it's a change. So going from all animals to clean animals at Sinai is the same kind of change imo.

 

[Leaf473]

Have you ever read a book and later in the book it reveals more details of the same subject? I am a believer there are no contradictions in scripture, just misunderstandings. The details in Lev 11 cannot be misunderstood, it's so clear and expands on Gensis 9, but if you choose to write in "unclean foods' to Genesis 9 and disregard Lev 11 that is your free choice. I think the warning in Isaiah 66:17 would make me pause, but that's me.

Isaiah 66 comes after Leviticus 11 and doesn't represent any change during that time imo.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Isaiah 66 comes after Leviticus 11 and doesn't represent any change during that time imo.

Agreed, so that tells you what Genesis 9 means and there's no contradictions in scripture as you just agreed, just misunderstandings.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I agree that there aren't contradictions in Scripture.

Genesis 9 doesn't talk about clean or unclean, just every moving thing that lives.

It's obviously a change from just plants. God even tells us it's a change. So going from all animals to clean animals at Sinai is the same kind of change imo.

So, we can worship other gods now because God allowed man to eat clean meats when all the food was destroyed by the floods?

Not sure how you get to the laws on Mt Siani being done away with because God clearly outlines the changes on food, but nothing about the Ten Commandments ending.

The saints I believe are God’s saved one. So this tells me the commandment of God have not ended.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

[Leaf473]

Agreed, so that tells you what Genesis 9 means and there's no contradictions in scripture as you just agreed, just misunderstandings.

Isaiah 66 doesn't contradict Leviticus 11. And Leviticus 11 doesn't contradict Genesis 9, but it does represent a change.

A change is not a contradiction.

 

[Ligurian]

Here's a larger quote from Deuteronomy 23
[...]7 You shall not abhor an Edomite, for he is your brother. You shall not abhor an Egyptian, because you lived as a foreigner in his land. 8 The children of the third generation who are born to them may enter into the Lord's assembly.

In the Septuagint, that word Assembly is the same word used for Church in the New Testament.

So I think this relates to what we're talking about.

The text doesn't say anything about accidents. It could explain why Daniel doesn't return to Jerusalem to celebrate the festivals as the law commands.

The same reasoning used for Exodus 20 would also apply to Deuteronomy 23. So to me it makes sense to keep both or keep neither.

Some things are restated in the Gospel which the Father gave to His Son... and some are not.

Matthew 12:7-8 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.[8] For the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath day.

Matthew 24:20-21 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day:[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

[Leaf473]

So, we can worship other gods now because God allowed man to eat clean meats when all the food was destroyed by the floods?

Not sure how you get to the laws on Mt Siani being done away with because God clearly outlines the changes on food, but nothing about the Ten Commandments ending.

The saints I believe are God’s saved one. So this tells me the commandment of God have not ended.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

No, but we can eat animals. And that's a change from what Adam and Eve are told.

And if things can change, then I think that's the way to resolve the both or neither issue of Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 23.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Isaiah 66 doesn't contradict Leviticus 11. And Leviticus 11 doesn't contradict Genesis 9, but it does represent a change.

A change is not a contradiction.

No change. The only change was before Genesis 9 not after. Leviticus 11 expands on Genesis 9 which Leviticus 66:17 confirms. It all reconciles.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No, but we can eat animals. And that's a change from what Adam and Eve are told.

And if things can change, then I think that's the way to resolve the both or neither issue of Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 23.

So because of this change that is spelled out on food, in your opinion means we can come up with our own conclusions on other things not spelled out. for example the law on not worshipping other gods, we can just ignore?

We have free will, but I prefer the scriptures. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Leaf473]

Agreed, so that tells you what Genesis 9 means and there's no contradictions in scripture as you just agreed, just misunderstandings.

But I think you may have actually provided the way for us to agree, there.

If you can look at Every moving thing, and understand that to mean Every clean moving thing, and that's basically the approach I take to the entire law.

Peace be with you, my sister!

 

[Leaf473]

No change. The only change was before Genesis 9 not after. Leviticus 11 expands on Genesis 9 which Leviticus 66:17 confirms. It all reconciles.

Well, if you agree that there was a change from before Genesis 9 to after, that was the main point of why I brought it up.

Things can change.

 

[Leaf473]

So because of this change that is spelled out on food, in your opinion means we can come up with our own conclusions on other things not spelled out. for example the law on not worshipping other gods, we can just ignore?

We have free will, but I prefer the scriptures. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Oh, I think pretty much everything is spelled out, as far as how we are supposed to live.

But the first step is agreeing that things can change imo.

 

[Ligurian]

So, we can worship other gods now because God allowed man to eat clean meats when all the food was destroyed by the floods?

Not sure how you get to the laws on Mt Siani being done away with because God clearly outlines the changes on food, but nothing about the Ten Commandments ending.

The saints I believe are God’s saved one. So this tells me the commandment of God have not ended.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Which Commandments of God?
John 12:44-50 matches Deuteronomy 18:18-19...

John 17:6-8 I have manifested Thy name unto the men which Thou gavest Me out of the world: Thine they were and Thou gavest them Me and they have kept Thy word.[7] Now they have known that all things whatsoever Thou hast given Me are of Thee.[8] For I have given unto them the words which Thou gavest Me, and they have received them and have known surely that I came out from Thee, and they have believed that Thou didst send Me.

Matthew's record of the Sermon on the Mount shows that some commandments are for hard hearts, Matthew 19:8. But because the Father doesn't want whitewashed tombs (Matthew 23), He sent His Son to clean the inside of the cup; and He gave the 12 Lost Sheep of the House of Israel the words which will clean (John 15:3) those who believe on Him through their word, John 17:20... these are the other sheep of John 10:16.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Oh, I think pretty much everything is spelled out, as far as how we are supposed to live.

But the first step is agreeing that things can change imo.

Only what is shown through scripture. Isaiah 66:17 is what is prophesied when we don’t follow Lev 11 which expands on Genesis 9.

 

[Leaf473]

Only what is shown through scripture. Isaiah 66:17 is what is prophesied when we don’t follow Lev 11 which expands on Genesis 9.

Sure, and we can see that Isaiah 66 isn't the last expansion on food.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sure, and we can see that Isaiah 66 isn't the last expansion on food.

And foods God called deemed an abomination is never deemed anything else or made clean. In heaven, the Tree of Life will be restored like it was in Eden before sin entered.

 

[Leaf473]

And foods God called deemed an abomination is never deemed anything else or made clean. In heaven, the Tree of Life will be restored like it was in Eden before sin entered.

Well, 1 Corinthians 8 is an expansion on food:
But food will not commend us to God. For neither, if we don’t eat, are we the worse; nor, if we eat, are we the better.

This overall passage is about meat sacrificed to idols. An idol is an abomination, I think it says somewhere.

It goes on to say that if someone sees you eating in an idol’s temple... Wait, what? It turns out it's okay to eat in an idol's temple.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Well, 1 Corinthians 8 is an expansion on food:
But food will not commend us to God. For neither, if we don’t eat, are we the worse; nor, if we eat, are we the better.

Isaiah 66:17 says something different.

 

[Leaf473]

Isaiah 66:17 says something different.

Well, it's like more details as the book goes on:

Have you ever read a book and later in the book it reveals more details of the same subject? I am a believer there are no contradictions in scripture, just misunderstandings. The details in Lev 11 cannot be misunderstood, it's so clear and expands on Gensis 9, but if you choose to write in "unclean foods' to Genesis 9 and disregard Lev 11 that is your free choice. I think the warning in Isaiah 66:17 would make me pause, but that's me.

So now we have more details. It looked like an idol was an abomination, but now we have more details. An idol isn't anything.

It looked like abstaining from certain foods would make us better in God's eyes. But it turns out it doesn't.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Well, it's like more details as the book goes on:

So now we have more details. It looked like an idol was an abomination, but now we have more details. An idol isn't anything.

It looked like abstaining from certain foods would make us better in God's eyes. But it turns out it doesn't.

You're welcome to your opinion, but I prefer the detailed scriptures God left us in regards to foods and healthy eating. Leviticus 11, Isaiah 66:17