Deuterocanonical books.

[Blessedj01]

In case you missed it most Protestants (which I loosely align myself with as well) adhere to many common denominators with the 'Mary venerators.' Just seeing differently on that particular item is no cause to slur the documents in question which theoretically were prior to Mary in any case. There's baby. There's bathwater.

You can believe what you want.

 

[Blessedj01]

No, some are protestants in the fact they disagree with all of Rome's polices. then there are "protestants" that rely less on fact and biblical and historical analysis then jumps of logic and cherry picking of Scripture. It's kind of clear which camp you fall into.

I'm a Protestant in the fine tradition of the baptists and the Pentecostals. I have a mixed background. Cherry picking scripture is what this thread is about, not what I do. I'm surprised that people think they have something new to bring to the table regarding books that aren't canon. Do you really think the question hadn't been posed before? Reminds me of cult leaders and their "new revelations ". The fact that this is affecting peoples walk more than the Gospels concerning Jesus should be a red light for everyone...

 

[Blessedj01]

If you haven't read the book of Wisdom I would highly recommend it. It's quite Holy Spirit inspired. Judith is a great historical piece as well. Just excellent leadership by a woman moved by her faith in God. An amazing story of outfoxing a superior adversary. You should, you know, open your mind just a peep. It won't hurt.

I'll have a proper read of it some time since you asked but I won't be changing my mind on it just yet.


I must add that beauty and emotion shouldn't move us beyond truth and wisdom.

 

[Blessedj01]

Well that would be your loss especially since Mama Kidogo used to be deeply immersed in the Baptist tradition (I spent some time there myself). I think you could learn much of benefit for your faith from her. I know that I have.

Maybe, i'm not saying she hasn't got wisdom beyond the things we may disagree on.

 

[Blessedj01]

What on earth is that supposed to mean?

That we do actually have a movement that had freed us from extra-Biblical nonsense. That we are serious about it, not some foolish rebels.

 

[MoreCoffee]

That we do actually have a movement that had freed us from extra-Biblical nonsense. That we are serious about it, not some foolish rebels.

If you're freed from extra biblical nonsense then why are you a Baptist? That whole credo baptism as a witness of your faith before the congregation (the public testimony thing) is extra biblical.

 

[Blessedj01]

Don't forget about Numbers: if you think your wife is whoring around, make her drink a potion and see if her crotch rots out. Hardly different from the "magic" we find in Tobit.

You need to understand scripture and not approach it as though it can be taken at immediate face value.

 

[Blessedj01]

Did Israel bring Gods word to the whole world ...no did the cathlics stay in the perfect will of God...no did protestants do any better...no have Pentecostals/charismatic/spirit filled break get it right...no does that have anything to do with text that have been in question before the church in many instances...no

There's a completely different attitude towards scripture in Catholicism, predominantly.

 

[Blessedj01]

If you're freed from extra biblical nonsense then why are you a Baptist? That whole credo baptism as a witness of your faith before the congregation (the public testimony thing) is extra biblical.

I disagree. Baptism is an important step for any Christian, although it's not necessary for salvation.

 

[Mama Kidogo]

My point is that I wouldn't be quick to take lessons in theological or canonical accuracy from anyone who venerates Mary,

That's fair. So why not read for yourself and make up your own mind. Take your lesson from your conscience after reading. I assure you Mary is not in those books floating around to grab you like a bulldog.

ven·er·ate
verb
regard with great respect; revere.

Shame on me for venerating the Mother of my Lord. I should probably be shot.

 

[Knee V]

You need to understand scripture and not approach it as though it can be taken at immediate face value.

My point was that if Tobit (or other books) are dismissed because of things that we think are "weird", then other people can point to other passages that they think are weird, and then we come up dismissing the whole thing.

 

[Gnarwhal]

My point was that if Tobit (or other books) are dismissed because of things that we think are "weird", then other people can point to other passages that they think are weird, and then we come up dismissing the whole thing.

Interesting point. What would you say is the difference between Tobit and Enoch, if any?

 

[Erose]

I disagree. Baptism is an important step for any Christian, although it's not necessary for salvation.

Interesting considering Scripture says that it is necessary for salvation. It looks like Baptist are into extra-Biblical beliefs.

 

[Knee V]

Interesting point. What would you say is the difference between Tobit and Enoch, if any?

Enoch is just too weird.

I would say the difference is in how widely each was received.

 

[Erose]

Interesting point. What would you say is the difference between Tobit and Enoch, if any?

Tobit is Scripture where Enoch isn't. Also Tobit isn't apocalyptic literature. It is a story of having trust in God, God's power to liberate us from evil, and the work of angels in our lives. Also it should be pointed out that it is from Tobit that Jesus quoted the Golden Rule.

 

[Blessedj01]

That's fair. So why not read for yourself and make up your own mind. Take your lesson from your conscience after reading. I assure you Mary is not in those books floating around to grab you like a bulldog. ven·er·ate verb regard with great respect; revere. Shame on me for venerating the Mother of my Lord. I should probably be shot.

I respect any person of faith but...

One time when Jesus was speaking, a woman in the crowd proclaimed, "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed" (Luke 11:27). There was never a better opportunity for Jesus to declare that Mary was indeed worthy of praise and adoration. What was Jesus' response? "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it" (Luke 11:28). To Jesus, obedience to God's Word was more important than being the woman who gave birth to the Savior.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/virgin-Mary.html#ixzz39lH2MtoW

 

[Blessedj01]

My point was that if Tobit (or other books) are dismissed because of things that we think are "weird", then other people can point to other passages that they think are weird, and then we come up dismissing the whole thing.

To don't think that was the criteria. The whole Bible is weird.

 

[Blessedj01]

Interesting considering Scripture says that it is necessary for salvation. It looks like Baptist are into extra-Biblical beliefs.

No, it doesn't.

 

[Knee V]

Tobit is Scripture where Enoch isn't. Also Tobit is apocalyptic literature. It is a story of having trust in God, God's power to liberate us from evil, and the work of angels in our lives. Also it should be pointed out that it is from Tobit that Jesus quoted the Golden Rule.

Additionally, Tobit is the story of a man who sends his son out to go find a bride and bring her back to his house. Christological much?

 

[Mama Kidogo]

Well that would be your loss especially since Mama Kidogo used to be deeply immersed in the Baptist tradition (I spent some time there myself). I think you could learn much of benefit for your faith from her. I know that I have.

Yep 40 years as a Baptist and married to the pastor. I still love the Baptists. The love they have for scripture is real . Give them the Liturgy, take away the dispensationalism and you have an Orthodox waiting for Chrismation.

I'm not about to speak about that compliment as I'm blushing and in shock. But I am deeply honored by it and completely undeserving.

What a wonderful world it would be if we actually quit assuming we knew what others believe. It's such a simple thing to ask.

Now excuse me for a moment. It's almost 10pm. Time to sacrifice that chicken I just bit the head off.