Deuterocanonical books.

[Blessedj01]

So, if the deuterocanonical books are consistent with Christian faith and are also regarded as canonical by the ancient churches why all the fuss about them in protestant circles?

Because they aren't.

 

[Targaryen]

Because they aren't.

You haven't seriously added to the topic yet, care to do so?

 

[Mama Kidogo]

Because they aren't.

What they "aren't" is something retained by the Baptist. They had no issue with the other 66 they borrowed but as it was given to them by other protestants who removed them they don't know what they're missing.

 

[Targaryen]

What they "aren't" is something retained by the Baptist. They had no issue with the other 66 they borrowed but as it was given to them by other protestants who removed them they don't know what they're missing.

 

[WisdomTree]

A lot of these so-called "Protestants" forget that the historic movement involving the Reformers did not completely remove the anagignoskomena/deutercanon, but rather demoted their status. Luther, made them secondary essentially fulfilling the term "deuterocanonical" literally, where as Zwingli and Calvin demoted it even further, though they recongized its usefulness. Regardless, the Bible always had the so-called "Apocrypha" well until the late seventeenth century where after the English Civil War, it was considered a bad thing because Catholics.

Also, if you say that only the 66 books are valid and everything else heathen, then you are siding with the decision (minus the New Testament) of the anti-Christian Jewish Council of Jimena (allegedly a proper council) which removed these books from their scriptural canon because Christians were using it. Though the Reformers demoted these books based on other rationales, most modern "Protestant" Christians no nothing of history and think that just because the bible they have only have 66 Books, they think that God himself handed the Apostles the books straight into their hands, and as such Catholics added more stuff (Orthodox, what are they?).

 

[Blessedj01]

You haven't seriously added to the topic yet, care to do so?

There's nothing more to add. You're all dangerously dicing with the false belief that there's some conspiracy at play. All this leads to the false assumption that non canonical books were suppressed because of politics.

We're Protestants, literally. Not "Protestants".

 

[Blessedj01]

What they "aren't" is something retained by the Baptist. They had no issue with the other 66 they borrowed but as it was given to them by other protestants who removed them they don't know what they're missing.

No offense but if you believe in the Virgin Mary being your intercessor then that tells me everything I need to know about why you think more books should be added to the Bible (or not removed).

 

[prodromos]

Because they aren't.

At last! An opportunity to use my great powers of alliteration and describe you as a Kompletely Klueless Kiwi. Kewl

 

[prodromos]

No offense but if you believe in the Virgin Mary being your intercessor then that tells me everything I need to know about why you think more books should be added to the Bible (or not removed).

Do please tell us in which of the Deuterocanonical books you read that Mary is our intercessor?

 

[WisdomTree]

At last! An opportunity to use my great powers of alliteration and describe you as a Kompletely Klueless Kiwi. Kewl

KKK! Half-Life 3 confirmed.

 

[squint]

Do please tell us in which of the Deuterocanon ical books you read that Mary is our intercessor?

I don't recall that subject arising from any of the texts in question.

Hmmm? Maybe blessedj01 is talking out of his hat?

 

[WisdomTree]

I don't recall that subject arising from any of the texts in question.

Hmmm? Maybe blessedj01 is talking out of his hat?

He's a duck, he's not wearing any hats!

 

[Blessedj01]

At last! An opportunity to use my great powers of alliteration and describe you as a Kompletely Klueless Kiwi. Kewl

Lol

 

[Blessedj01]

Do please tell us in which of the Deuterocanonical books you read that Mary is our intercessor?

My point is that I wouldn't be quick to take lessons in theological or canonical accuracy from anyone who venerates Mary,

 

[Blessedj01]

I don't recall that subject arising from any of the texts in question. Hmmm? Maybe blessedj01 is talking out of his hat?

I admit it's probably not completely relevant, but speaks volumes to me about the thought process of someone who rejects the Protestant view of canon. i know we all hold different beliefs but I think it's fair to say we're at opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

[squint]

I admit it's probably not completely relevant, but speaks volumes to me about the thought process of someone who rejects the Protestant view of canon. i know we all hold different beliefs but I think it's fair to say we're at opposite ends of the spectrum.

In case you missed it most Protestants (which I loosely align myself with as well) adhere to many common denominators with the 'Mary venerators.' Just seeing differently on that particular item is no cause to slur the documents in question which theoretically were prior to Mary in any case.

There's baby. There's bathwater.

 

[Targaryen]

There's nothing more to add. You're all dangerously dicing with the false belief that there's some conspiracy at play. All this leads to the false assumption that non canonical books were suppressed because of politics.

We're Protestants, literally. Not "Protestants".

No, some are protestants in the fact they disagree with all of Rome's polices. then there are "protestants" that rely less on fact and biblical and historical analysis then jumps of logic and cherry picking of Scripture.

It's kind of clear which camp you fall into.

 

[WisdomTree]

Now now now, let's not get into ad hominem nonsense.

 

[squint]

My point is that I wouldn't be quick to take lessons in theological or canonical accuracy from anyone who venerates Mary,

If you haven't read the book of Wisdom I would highly recommend it. It's quite Holy Spirit inspired. Judith is a great historical piece as well. Just excellent leadership by a woman moved by her faith in God. An amazing story of outfoxing a superior adversary.

You should, you know, open your mind just a peep. It won't hurt.

 

[Targaryen]

Now now now, let's not get into ad hominem nonsense.

You may call it ad hominem, I see it as calling a spade a spade.