Deuterocanonical books.

[Blessedj01]

Got no biblical answer eh?

"Carry on your discussion, guys."

 

[Knee V]

Here is what we know, the writers of the o.t. taught works, NOT GRACE. Jesus taught the disciples GRACE, not works. Paul tried to mash them together in some sort of compromise postition that makes absolutely no sense at all. Here is what we don't know, why the people who selected the books of the bible missed the fact that these 3 groups of writers did not share the same theology.

Not quite...

 

[WisdomTree]

Tobit is canonical while Enoch is not

Unless you're an Ethiopian.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Unless you're an Ethiopian.

Shhhh

If we don't say it then they will not notice

 

[Mama Kidogo]

I respect any person of faith but...

One time when Jesus was speaking, a woman in the crowd proclaimed, "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed" (Luke 11:27). There was never a better opportunity for Jesus to declare that Mary was indeed worthy of praise and adoration. What was Jesus' response? "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it" (Luke 11:28). To Jesus, obedience to God's Word was more important than being the woman who gave birth to the Savior.

Read more: What does the Bible say about the virgin Mary?

there is something about that word I bolded. generally it means :ignore, delete or count as irrelevant all I said before the word "but".

 

[Targaryen]

there is something about that word I bolded. generally it means :ignore, delete or count as irrelevant all I said before the word "but".

A typical qualifier for saying everything contrary to a previous statement.

 

[squint]

Here is what we know, the writers of the o.t. taught works, NOT GRACE. Jesus taught the disciples GRACE, not works. Paul tried to mash them together in some sort of compromise postition that makes absolutely no sense at all. Here is what we don't know, why the people who selected the books of the bible missed the fact that these 3 groups of writers did not share the same theology.

Grace, Mercy, Justification by Faith and the principles of the New Covenant all derive from the O.T. law and prophets. No legitimate de-linking is possible.

Nor did Paul present as you suppose above. It is just poor understanding from your end, easily upgradable.

 

[single eye]

de-linking is not only possible, it is essential to learning the truth that sets us free.

 

[Blessedj01]

A typical qualifier for saying everything contrary to a previous statement.

It means but, there's more.

 

[Blessedj01]

de-linking is not only possible, it is essential to learning the truth that sets us free.

I might as well come back to this part of the debate. What you're implying is a waste of time: Jesus is the truth that sets us free, nothing and nobody else matters. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. If we do not come to Him, we can't go to the Father. That's Christianity 101.

 

[Targaryen]

It means but, there's more.

Not in how you used it....I do know how to evaluate a typed statement.

 

[Mama Kidogo]

It means but, there's more.

Thank you for the clarification. I take you at your word.

 

[Blessedj01]

Not in how you used it....I do know how to evaluate a typed statement.

Why would I want you to ignore what I said? Why wouldn't I respect Mary? Like anyone who was faithful, she's an example of a person who did great things by following the will of God for her life. I always respect and admire that

"But," means I want to say something else. Take what you will from the link that I posted, or don't take it at all.

Now I thought we were going back to the debate...

 

[Hieros Gamos]

de-linking is not only possible, it is essential to learning the truth that sets us free.

17 Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil.

For another thing, let us beware of despising the law of the Ten Commandments. Let us not suppose for a moment that it is set aside by the Gospel, or that Christians have nothing to do with it. The coming of Christ did not alter the position of the Ten Commandments one hair’s breadth. If anything, it exalted and raised their authority. (Romans 3:31) The law of the Ten Commandments is God’s eternal measure of right and wrong. By it is the knowledge of sin; by it the Spirit shows men their need of Christ, and drives them to him. To it Christ refers his people as their rule and guide for holy living. In its right place it is just as important as “the glorious Gospel.” It cannot save us: we cannot be justified by it; but never, never let us despise it. It is a symptom of an ignorant ministry, and an unhealthy state of religion, when the law is lightly esteemed. The true Christian delights in the law of God. (Romans 7:22)

In the last place, let us beware of supposing that the Gospel has lowered the standard of personal holiness, and that the Christian is not intended to be as strict and particular about his daily life as the Jew. This is an immense mistake, but one that is unhappily very common. So far from this being the case, the sanctification of the New Testament saint ought to exceed that of him who has nothing but the Old Testament for his guide. The more light we have, the more we ought to love God: the more clearly we see our own complete and full forgiveness in Christ, the more heartily ought we to work for his glory. We know what it cost to redeem us far better than the Old Testament saints did. We have read what happened in Gethsemane and on Calvary, and they only saw it dimly and indistinctly as a thing yet to come. May we never forget our obligations! The Christian who is content with a low standard of personal holiness has got much to learn.

Notes on the New Testament, Explanatory and Practical by Albert Barnes, ed. Robert Frew, D.D. with Numerous Additional Notes and a Series of Engravings, Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, Michigan, vols. 1 (Matthew and Mark)-2 (Luke-John): 1949, vols. 3+: 1950

 

[squint]

de-linking is not only possible, it is essential to learning the truth that sets us free.

I'd believe the Martian Chronicles by R. Bradbury before I believed the AoJ.

 

[MoreCoffee]

17 Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil.

For another thing, let us beware of despising the law of the Ten Commandments. Let us not suppose for a moment that it is set aside by the Gospel, or that Christians have nothing to do with it. The coming of Christ did not alter the position of the Ten Commandments one hair’s breadth. If anything, it exalted and raised their authority. (Romans 3:31) The law of the Ten Commandments is God’s eternal measure of right and wrong. By it is the knowledge of sin; by it the Spirit shows men their need of Christ, and drives them to him. To it Christ refers his people as their rule and guide for holy living. In its right place it is just as important as “the glorious Gospel.” It cannot save us: we cannot be justified by it; but never, never let us despise it. It is a symptom of an ignorant ministry, and an unhealthy state of religion, when the law is lightly esteemed. The true Christian delights in the law of God. (Romans 7:22)

In the last place, let us beware of supposing that the Gospel has lowered the standard of personal holiness, and that the Christian is not intended to be as strict and particular about his daily life as the Jew. This is an immense mistake, but one that is unhappily very common. So far from this being the case, the sanctification of the New Testament saint ought to exceed that of him who has nothing but the Old Testament for his guide. The more light we have, the more we ought to love God: the more clearly we see our own complete and full forgiveness in Christ, the more heartily ought we to work for his glory. We know what it cost to redeem us far better than the Old Testament saints did. We have read what happened in Gethsemane and on Calvary, and they only saw it dimly and indistinctly as a thing yet to come. May we never forget our obligations! The Christian who is content with a low standard of personal holiness has got much to learn.

Notes on the New Testament, Explanatory and Practical by Albert Barnes, ed. Robert Frew, D.D. with Numerous Additional Notes and a Series of Engravings, Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, Michigan, vols. 1 (Matthew and Mark)-2 (Luke-John): 1949, vols. 3+: 1950

I like Albert Barnes most of the time, he seems to have been fairly level headed.

 

[SummaScriptura]

Tobit is canonical while Enoch is not

You mis-spoke I believe...

Let me help you, you said

Tobit is canonical while Enoch is not

You meant to say

Tobit is canonical while Enoch is not... In my faith tradition

There. Better?

 

[SummaScriptura]

To don't think that was the criteria. The whole Bible is weird.

That is actually a profound statement. It is predicated on the fact the author of the Bible is the One who is wholly other.

 

[MoreCoffee]

You mis-spoke I believe...

Let me help you, you said You meant to say There. Better?

Nope. Tobit is canonical.

 

[SummaScriptura]

True.

Agreed.

Also, when the writer of Hebrews speaks of 'angels unawares' I can't help but think he's alluding to Tobit, at least in part...