Debunking Flat Earth

[Lost4words]

Why argue about gravity? Its here and thats all that matters! Flat earth is 'NOT' here, so argue about that!

 

[Bungle_Bear]

What are you even talking about??? Nobody is denying gravity.

We're saying NOBODY knows where it comes from or what it is.

Einstein's garbage time space theory is garbage theoretical nonsense that has nothing to do with science. It should belong in the non-fiction nonsense section.

Nice try. If you deny that there is a force pulling objects toward each other you are denying gravity. That is exactly what the poster is doing - denying the apparent force but lacking an alternative explanation for the effect.

 

[d taylor]

Travel to the Edge of Space on a Weather Balloon | The Weather Channel

 

[Jimmy D]

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Travel to the Edge of Space on a Weather Balloon | The Weather Channel

Obviously the Weather Channel didn't get the memo from the conspirators.

Why didn't you take a screen shot of this bit?

 

[DogmaHunter]

For arguments sake, if one did believe what it says about the earth being created on day 1 and the planets on day 4, why would such a person ever presume the earth is just another planet?

Because actual evidence trumps mere beliefs any day of the week.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

For arguments sake, if one did believe what it says about the earth being created on day 1 and the planets on day 4, why would such a person ever presume the earth is just another planet?

Where does it say the planets were created on day 4? I'd say you're choosing to infer something that isn't there.

 

[Herman Hedning]

Obviously the Weather Channel didn't get the memo from the conspirators.

Why didn't you take a screen shot of this bit?

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But that is just a lens effect... or atmospheric refraction... or CGI...

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

It's not just FES that denies gravity. In this thread, read from post 82 onwards. It's weird.

'Sunlight Starry Night' is simply displaying a fundamental ignorance of physical principles, and appears unabashed by it.

 

[d taylor]

Anyone knows when a camera is attached to a rising balloon the fluctuation in the balloon when it is rising can cause distortion in the camera.
But when the balloon has stopped rising and is resting right before the burst, for a good 15 seconds on the video is seen a flat stationary earth.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Anyone knows when a camera is attached to a rising balloon the fluctuation in the balloon when it is rising can cause distortion in the camera.

Can? So it's entirely possible that there's no distortion? Hmmm, that's tricky, eh?

 

[A_Thinker]

Anyone knows when a camera is attached to a rising balloon the fluctuation in the balloon when it is rising can cause distortion in the camera.

But when the balloon has stopped rising and is resting right before the burst, for a good 15 seconds on the video is seen a flat stationary earth.

A balloon ???

Steady ??

Not really ...

So ... what is really the case is that there is maybe 15 seconds in the recorded video where the horizon shows flat, before it distorts to concave ... or convex.

My conclusions from watching such videos ... is that balloon mounted video ... is not a good way to establish flatness ... or curve.

 

[A_Thinker]

Anyone knows when a camera is attached to a rising balloon the fluctuation in the balloon when it is rising can cause distortion in the camera.

Can? So it's entirely possible that there's no distortion? Hmmm, that's tricky, eh?

Oh, there is distortion ... from the camera videography itself.

Balloon photography/videography, simply, is not a good way to establish the accuracy of what you are seeing.

 

[durangodawood]

Ah, OK. So, looking at your flat Earth posts on Christian Forums, you've posted a fair number on the subject, and refused to debate several times on account of past ridicule, which is fair enough; but to refuse to post your links to detailed analysis by qualified contributors because of past ridicule is odd, because any ridicule would be aimed at those analyses, not you.

However, although you've said things like, "I've discussed the science in great detail. ... There are past threads to peruse should one feel so inclined." and you've claimed that you've provided links to papers by qualified mathematicians, physicists, or engineers that provide a full mathematical treatment of flat Earth theory, "on numerous occasions on past threads", the site search facility doesn't turn up a single post you've made that discusses the science 'in great detail', or that contains relevant links to anything more than so-called 'primer' videos.

Given that you claimed to be "not convinced of a flat earth" in April 2017, and were still "shape agnostic" in July of last year, and that the links you claim to have posted would clearly be convincing, one would have expected to find those posts sometime after April 2017... but no - and not before that date either.

My evidence suggests that you haven't "discussed the science in great detail" in these forums, nor have you posted links to papers by qualified mathematicians, physicists, or engineers that provide a full mathematical treatment of flat Earth theory "on numerous occasions on past threads". However, it's still possible that I somehow missed all those "numerous occasions", or that the search facility did not reveal them.

You're welcome to show that you have done what you claim, and prove me wrong while doing so.

I cant decide whether your post is admirable for the effort on display or ridiculous for continuing to engage in this absurd game theyre playing.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Why argue about gravity? Its here and thats all that matters! Flat earth is 'NOT' here, so argue about that!

It's true that it's kinda silly to be arguing about something so settled as the shape of the earth, but the flat earthers have to have some sort of model that explains the evidence we see around us, like what we know about gravity. When pressed, we mostly get rants about brainwashing, or an invitation to watch a 90 minute video, rather than any clear responses. Hopefully, if pressed on all these issues, they'll see that they have no real answers or theory at all.

 

[Lost4words]

FE believers are a select group of people i think. I think they are pulled in to believe any conspiracy theory that raises its head. They dismiss science.

Science that has brought us so so many life saving inventions, technological breakthroughs etc etc.

God gave us Science. He gave us the ability to learn about HIS creation. Yet, people would rather go it alone and follow paths that ultimately lead to dead ends and untruths.

 

[A_Thinker]

It appears that Flat Earth promoter Eric Dubay is a Holocaust Denier.

Why the Holocaust Denial?

I wonder if Flat Earth enthusiasts understand that Dubay is the source for most of their arguments for Flat Earth and against the Globe Earth ?

Some of these are ...

"The horizon appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around ... "
"The horizon always rises to one's eye-level."
"Water always finds its level."
"Surveyors, engineers, and architects do not take curve into account."
"Planes would need to constantly dip their noses on a Globe Earth."

Dubay also references Airy's Failure, the Michelson_Morley and Sagnac experiments, and his incredulity regarding the ability of gravity to hold the oceans to a globe, while simultaneously allowing for bird and butterfly flight.

Just about every Flat Earth argument can find it's origin in Eric Dubay's "200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball"

The PDF can be downloaded at the link below ...

http://www.freepdf.info/index.php?post/Eric-Dubay-200-proofs-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I cant decide whether your post is admirable for the effort on display or ridiculous for continuing to engage in this absurd game theyre playing.

Lol! both? BS is expected, but arrogant BS is just rude - so I had a bit of search practice; after all, he might once have posted a useful link... but as far as I can see, it's complete BS.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

FE believers are a select group of people i think. I think they are pulled in to believe any conspiracy theory that raises its head. They dismiss science.

Science is difficult, and makes disconcerting claims; if you don't have a decent science grounding, it can feel exclusive and elitist. Rejecting it in favour of provocative pseudoscience and reversing the burden of proof takes back control of the narrative.

 

[morse86]

 

[d taylor]

Another ISS comparison to the U-@ spy plane.

U-2 Plane San Fransisco

ISS photo of New York