Debating the Trinity

[Radrook]

Firstly, in that passage from Corinthians Paul is not talking about the Trinity. Secondly, the natural man or someone without the Spirit isn't at issue. There is nothing in the Scriptures that says God is a being that consists of three persons. It's not in the Bible. So, saying that man doesn't understand the things of God is irrelevant since it's not God who said that God is a being that consists of three persons. It was men who said that. In particular it was men from the fifth century. People didn't hold this illogical idea until the fifth century. The apostle Paul said, there is one God, the Father.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.1 (1 Cor. 8:5-6 KJV)

One God, the Father. This is what Christians believed as late as the 300's AD. The Nicene Creed of 325 AD. Is almost a quote verbatim of what Paul said. Here is the first line of the Nicene Creed.

"I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."

The revised version of the Creed in 381 AD. says the same thing.

"We believe in one God, the Father, Ruler of all, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."

It's not until we get into the 400's that we find this idea of three co-equal, co-eternal, persons as one God.

What this shows is that all of the passages that you believe make your point can be understood in a different way. I would submit, the correct way. This idea that there is a being who consists of three persons is simply illogical and not what was understood as the Christian faith in the beginning.

Almost four hundred years is indeed a long time for a doctrine that is now viewed as very essential to Christian theology to have been absent as an absolute requirement for Christian worship. Also, the scripture does say that the Father is God without making mention of the Son nor the holy Spirit. However, how do you explain the many scriptures that the NT writers knew applied to God almighty but who then applied it to Jesus? How do you explain John 1: 1? There seems to be a controversy which the Bible itself generates by offering what appears to be contradictory testimony.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Firstly, in that passage from Corinthians Paul is not talking about the Trinity. Secondly, the natural man or someone without the Spirit isn't at issue. There is nothing in the Scriptures that says God is a being that consists of three persons. It's not in the Bible. So, saying that man doesn't understand the things of God is irrelevant since it's not God who said that God is a being that consists of three persons. It was men who said that. In particular it was men from the fifth century. People didn't hold this illogical idea until the fifth century. The apostle Paul said, there is one God, the Father.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.1 (1 Cor. 8:5-6 KJV)

One God, the Father. This is what Christians believed as late as the 300's AD. The Nicene Creed of 325 AD. Is almost a quote verbatim of what Paul said. Here is the first line of the Nicene Creed.

"I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."

The revised version of the Creed in 381 AD. says the same thing.

"We believe in one God, the Father, Ruler of all, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."

It's not until we get into the 400's that we find this idea of three co-equal, co-eternal, persons as one God.

What this shows is that all of the passages that you believe make your point can be understood in a different way. I would submit, the correct way. This idea that there is a being who consists of three persons is simply illogical and not what was understood as the Christian faith in the beginning.

the section in Corinthians is talking about the understanding that "these three are one ( 1 John 5:7). All scripture is only understood by the Spirit as i was saying and when i showed you the unanswerable section in Isaiha 48:12-18 or so, that is only seen by the spiritual man. For the natural man will see it as illogical or foolish to interpret it as it says. But to those who see spiritually and who have revelation of the Son and the father and the Holy Spirit, it is clear.

All things that can be known of God ( including the trip unity of the God head0 are only known by the spirit and so you are very very wrong in your understanding of 1 Cor 2. Paul is clear there and you nor any other natural man cannot understand the things of God but by the Spirit

also every true Christian only believes in ONE God , one being who consist of three person in One being. No one should say three Gods.

This trick is used by the Oneness groups to try and manipulate the hearers. But to all believers there is one being God who subsists in three persons. he word

The person of Christ " and the express image of His person, and pronouns like "he" or Him;' etc show personality. And when we see the father speaking personally and the Son and the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost speaks to men as well.

you are in grave danger spiritually if you deny the eternal Son of God and the true God . Jesus prayed to the father in John 17 and said that he had glory WITH him before the world was. This word "with" in Greek means beside or face to face. This is similar to John 1 where the Word was with God, or beside him face to face.

 

[Radrook]

the section in Corinthians is talking about the understanding that "these three are one ( 1 John 5:7). All scripture is only understood by the Spirit as i was saying and when i showed you the unanswerable section in Isaiha 48:12-18 or so, that is only seen by the spiritual man. For the natural man will see it as illogical or foolish to interpret it as it says. But to those who see spiritually and who have revelation of the Son and the father and the Holy Spirit, it is clear.

All things that can be known of God ( including the trip unity of the God head0 are only known by the spirit and so you are very very wrong in your understanding of 1 Cor 2. Paul is clear there and you nor any other natural man cannot understand the things of God but by the Spirit

also every true Christian only believes in ONE God , one being who consist of three person in One being. No one should say three Gods.

This trick is used by the Oneness groups to try and manipulate the hearers. But to all believers there is one being God who subsists in three persons. he word

The person of Christ " and the express image of His person, and pronouns like "he" or Him;' etc show personality. And when we see the father speaking personally and the Son and the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost speaks to men as well.

you are in grave danger spiritually if you deny the eternal Son of God and the true God . Jesus prayed to the father in John 17 and said that he had glory WITH him before the world was. This word "with" in Greek means beside or face to face. This is similar to John 1 where the Word was with God, or beside him face to face.

So all those Christians who did not hold a Trinitarian viewpoint were not really Christians prior to the Nicene Council? That is a rather drastic judgment-don't you think?

 

[LoveofTruth]

So all those Christians who did not hold a Trinitarian viewpoint were not really Christians prior to the Nicene Council? That is a rather drastic judgment-don't you think?

I hold what scripture teaches

"22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also" ( 1 John 2:22,23)

and God was in Chrst reconciling the world unto himself. God was manifest in the flesh

and

"
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son" ( 2 John 7-9)

and

John 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

I am not saying that all believers have to have a full doctrinal understanding of all things. But no believer will deny who Jesus is

 

[Radrook]

I hold what scripture teaches

"22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also" ( 1 John 2:22,23)

and God was in Chrst reconciling the world unto himself. God was manifest in the flesh

and

"
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son" ( 2 John 7-9)

and

John 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

I am not saying that all believers have to have a full doctrinal understanding of all things. But no believer will deny who Jesus is

That interpretation is a Trinitarian one. The vast majority of Christians prior to those Councils did not have a Trinitarian viewpoint. In fact, it took another Council in order to promote the Holy Spirit to the status of God. So I guess you would have condemned those who only viewed two as God instead of three condemned as not Christians as well. Right?

 

[LoveofTruth]

That interpretation is a Trinitarian one. the vast majority of Christians prior to those Councils did not have a Trinitarian viewpoint. In fact, it took another Council in order to promote the Holy Spirit to the status of God. So I guess you would have condemned those who only viewed two as God instead of three condemned as not Christians as well. Right?

I am not condening anyone, and there were always true believers the false catholic church brought the church into darkness

my interpretation is from Johns own words

and there are three that bear record in heaven 1 John 5:7 KJV

 

[LoveofTruth]

That interpretation is a Trinitarian one. the vast majority of Christians prior to those Councils did not have a Trinitarian viewpoint. In fact, it took another Council in order to promote the Holy Spirit to the status of God. So I guess you would have condemned those who only viewed two as God instead of three condemned as not Christians as well. Right?

I dont quote any from councils but John himself and jesus

 

[Radrook]

I dont quote any from councils but John himself and jesus

I see no trinity specified in those scriptures. Not denying the trinity. Just saying that the scriptures you specifically quote don't support it. They mention two persons. The Father and the Son. They do not mention the Holy Spirit. You see, Trinity means THREE. So even if they did say that the TWAIN are one, which they don't, that would still fall short by one.

 

[Radrook]

I am not condening anyone, and there were always true believers the false catholic church brought the church into darkness

my interpretation is from Johns own words

and there are three that bear record in heaven 1 John 5:7 KJV

No, but you are condemning people based on whether or not they were or were not Trinitarian. You cannot have it both ways. In any event, as I pointed out above, your interpretation is flawed.

 

[LoveofTruth]

I see no trinity specified in those scriptures. Not denying the trinity. Just saying that the scriptures you specifically quote don't support it. They mention two persons. The Father and the Son. They do not mention the Holy Spirit. You see, Trinity means THREE. So even if they did say that the TWAIN are one, which they don't, that would still fall short by one.

I believe I mentioned John also writing 1 John 5:7 KJV ( which should be in the scriptures and has historical evidence for that verse but thats a whole different thread discussion))

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." ( 1 John 5:7 KJV)

a verse strong tri untiy verse. these THREE are ONE

 

[Doveaman]

I see no trinity specified in those scriptures. Not denying the trinity. Just saying that the scriptures you specifically quote don't support it. They mention two persons. The Father and the Son. They do not mention the Holy Spirit. You see, Trinity means THREE. So even if they did say that the TWAIN are one, which they don't, that would still fall short by one.

John 14:16-23:
“I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever -- the Spirit of truth. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.”

1 John 4:12-13:
“God lives in us…We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.”

The Holy Spirit living in us is the Father and Son living in us.
Therefore, the Father and Son is the Holy Spirit living in us.

This means:

God is Father and Son existing as the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is God existing as Father and Son.
Therefore, God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Three distinct, inseparable “persons” existing as one God.

 

[LoveofTruth]

No, but you are condemning people based on whether or not they were or were not Trinitarian. You cannot have it both ways. In any event, as I pointed out above, your interpretation is flawed.

I don't need to use the word "trinity" or Tri Unity, the teaching is clearly in scripture all through the bible from the genesis to revelation.

and John exposes people who denied the Son and the father in them. That alone shows more than one person. John also speaks of the three are ONE. The father the Word and the Holy Ghost.

Jesus told his disciples to teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the father the Son and the Holy Ghost

 

[LoveofTruth]

John 14:16-23:
“I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever -- the Spirit of truth. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.”

1 John 4:12-13:
“God lives in us…We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.”

The Holy Spirit living in us is the Father and Son living in us.
Therefore, the Father and Son is the Holy Spirit living in us.

This means:

God is Father and Son existing as the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is God existing as Father and Son.
Therefore, God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Three distinct, inseparable “persons” existing as one God.

Hello Im not sure if you are agreeing with the tri unity of the Godhead as one being consisting in three persons. But we do not say that the Son is the father etc. but rather we have both the father and the Son and the Holy Ghost. In matthew 10 Jesus said that the Spirit of the father spoke in them. The father is Spirit, and we also read of the Spirit of the Son dwelling in our hearts by faith. The Son dwells in us also and is spirit. The Holy Ghost also fills men and is Spirit.

 

[Radrook]

I don't need to use the word "trinity" or Tri Unity, the teaching is clearly in scripture all through the bible from the genesis to revelation.

and John exposes people who denied the Son and the father in them. That alone shows more than one person. John also speaks of the three are ONE. The father the Word and the Holy Ghost.

Jesus told his disciples to teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the father the Son and the Holy Ghost

You are attributing to John a Trinitarian view he most likely didn't have. The Holy Spirit wasn't even recognized as God until one of the Councils promoted it to that status. You are claiming that John had already promoted the Holy Spirit to that category? Show me. Not with a spurious scripture in Mark which is considered dubious and excluded from many versions due to being strongly suspected as being a later addition. But with genuine scriptures describing the Holy Spirit as being God.

You see, you can't argue for a Trinity with only two persons involved as you are attempting to do. You need THREE. John saying that Jesus was God doesn't constitute a Trinity my friend because it falls short of three.
Also, if indeed it were as clear as you claim, then there would never have been any controversy at all over it-a controversy that persisted and was only vanquished by the edge of the sword, a very unchristian method of "conversion" involving coercion via violence or threat of violence. Like putting a gun at another person's head.

Actually, even today thee are millions of Genuine Christians who do not see things in a Trinitarian way.
Are they wrong? Who knows? Maybe yes. Maybe no. In any case, their acceptance of Jesus as Savior has value despite your objections to the contrary. Any clarification will have to wait for the resurrection or establishment of God's Kingdom on Earth as prophesied both in the OT and the NT. Once this is clarified then all Christians will be truly of one mind. As it stands, we fall short in certain areas. But we are forgiven based on the mercy provide by Christ's Ransom sacrifice. To say otherwise is to blaspheme by devaluing the forgiving power of the sacrifice which is a very serious sin which I am certain you d not want to commit.

 

[Radrook]

John 14:16-23:
“I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever -- the Spirit of truth. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.”

1 John 4:12-13:
“God lives in us…We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.”

The Holy Spirit living in us is the Father and Son living in us.
Therefore, the Father and Son is the Holy Spirit living in us.

This means:

God is Father and Son existing as the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is God existing as Father and Son.
Therefore, God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Three distinct, inseparable “persons” existing as one God.

Once more there is NOTHING in those scriptures which say that the spirit God empowers his servants with is God himself. that is an assumption that a reader makes based on presumption tat God is a trinity. If indeed it were as clear as you say it is, then a second Council would not have been needed in order to PROMIOTE the spirit to a God status.

Actually, some Christians view the holy spirit as a force that God uses. Me? I accept God whichever way he might be. To me the important thing is that he is our heavenly Father and creator. All other things are totally secondary.
So I am not arguing against the trinity nor for it. Just pointing out that the two viewpoints have their value.

Now if you were to say that God almighty is the Devil, then we would definitely have a problem.

 

[LoveofTruth]

You are attributing to John a Trinitarian view he most likely didn't have.

Yes they did have such a view it is clear in scripture. i don't base my understanding of the things of God on some later council of men but on scripture.

The Holy Spirit wasn't even recognized as God until one of the Councils promoted it to that status.

This is false as we see in many places but heres one in Acts, way before your so called council,

"3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God."(Acts 5:3,4)

showing clearly that the Holy Ghost is God and peter knew that why don't you?

You are claiming that John had already promoted the Holy Spirit to that category? Show me. Not with a spurious scripture in Mark which is considered dubious and excluded from many versions due to being strongly suspected as being a later addition. But with genuine scriptures describing the Holy Spirit as being God.

You attack the Holy scriptures and mark etc. This is your great error

Isaiah 48:12-17 is the strongest trinity verse in the bible

read it and repent before its too late

"12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.

15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.

16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go."

The Lord God speaks of the Lord God and His Spirit sending him. And we read words like i even I have sent him yeah I. three "i"s again. And who is speaking , there are three references in vs 17 and they are all the Lord

 

[Radrook]

Yes they did have such a view it is clear in scripture. i don't base my understanding of the things of God on some later council of men but on scripture.




This is false as we see in many places but heres one in Acts, way before your so called council,

"3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God."(Acts 5:3,4)

showing clearly that the Holy Ghost is God and peter knew that why don't you?



You attack the Holy scriptures and mark etc. This is your great error

Isaiah 48:12-17 is the strongest trinity verse in the bible

read it and repent before its too late

"12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.

15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.

16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go."

The Lord God speaks of the Lord God and His Spirit sending him. And we read words like i even I have sent him yeah I. three "i"s again. And who is speaking , there are three references in vs 17 and they are all the Lord

First, you have it all backwards. Pointing out an unauthorized addition to the Bible doesn't constitute attacking the Bible. Quite to the contrary. It constitutes a defense of the Bible from those who would disrespectfully add their own thoughts to it in order to promote their own agendas..

It reads in the King James Version, also known as the Authorized Version: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.” The words in italics are simply not a part of the generally accepted New Testament manuscripts. Regrettably, in this particular passage some other versions read essentially the same.

Most Bible commentaries that mention this addition tell us that it is a spurious comment added to the biblical text. Consider the words of The New Bible Commentary: Revised: “Notice that AV [the Authorized Version] includes additional material at this point. But the words are clearly a gloss [an added note] and are rightly excluded by RSV [the Revised Standard Version] even from its margins” (1970, p. 1269).

In the New Revised Standard Version, 1 John 5:7-8

correctly and more concisely reads, “There are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three agree.” John personifies the three elements here as providing testimony, just as Solomon personified wisdom in the book of Proverbs.

Many other more recent Bible versions likewise recognize the spurious added text and omit it, including the New International Version, American Standard Version and New American Standard Bible, English Standard Version, New English Bible and Revised English



https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-too...-reference-to-the-trinity-added-in-1-john-5-7

Also, you fail to explain the scripture where it is written that they had one God-the Father.

1 Corinthians 8:6 ►

yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

If indeed Jesus were also God and the Holy Spirit were also equally God then such a statement would blatantly contradict that idea which it clearly does..

Why instead of saying that in the beginning was God and the Word was in the beginning with God and the Word was God, why doesn't it say and the Word and the Holy Spirit were with God and they both were also God? Now THAT would definitely be a clear Trinitarian statement.

Why does Jesus call the Father his God not just prior but even after being resurrected to heaven?

Revelation 3:12 ►
New International Version
The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.

All these seem to convey a nontrinitarian viewpoint that should be given serious consideration and not just be merely shunted aside as nonsensical.

BTW
The scriptures you quoted are being forced into a Trinitarian mold. The Israelites who received them as God's chosen people drew no Trinitarian concept from those scriptures nor were they enlightened to see them that way. The interpretations seem forced. Not that I would object if they turn out to be true. Of course not. Only that they seem forced.

 

[Doveaman]

Hello Im not sure if you are agreeing with the tri unity of the Godhead as one being consisting in three persons. But we do not say that the Son is the father etc. but rather we have both the father and the Son and the Holy Ghost. In matthew 10 Jesus said that the Spirit of the father spoke in them. The father is Spirit, and we also read of the Spirit of the Son dwelling in our hearts by faith. The Son dwells in us also and is spirit. The Holy Ghost also fills men and is Spirit.

It is true that the Father is Spirit, and the Son is Spirit, and, of course, the Holy Spirit is also Spirit.
But God is not three Spirits.
God is one Spirit, and that one Spirit is the Holy Spirit.
God is one Holy Spirit.
Therefore, God is Father and Son existing as one Holy Spirit.

"There is one body and one Spirit -- just as you were called to one hope when you were called -- one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all" -- (Ephesians 4:4-5).

 

[Radrook]

It is true that the Father is Spirit, and the Son is Spirit, and, of course, the Holy Spirit is also Spirit.
But God is not three Spirits.
God is one Spirit, and that one Spirit is the Holy Spirit.
God is one Holy Spirit.
Therefore, God is Father and Son existing as one Holy Spirit.

"There is one body and one Spirit -- just as you were called to one hope when you were called -- one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all" -- (Ephesians 4:4-5).

That is a very profound concept. Are separating the Holy Spirit from God in some way. It seems as if you are now proposing not a Trinity but a Quadrinity.

1. God the Father
2. God the Son
3. God the Holy Spirit
4. God the Spirit

 

[Doveaman]

Once more there is NOTHING in those scriptures which say that the spirit God empowers his servants with is God himself.

The scriptures do say that God dwells in us through his Spirit:

“God lives in us…We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.” -- (1 John 4:12-13).

The Spirit in us is God in us, therefore the Spirit in us empowers us with the presence of God in us.

that is an assumption that a reader makes based on presumption tat God is a trinity. If indeed it were as clear as you say it is, then a second Council would not have been needed in order to PROMIOTE the spirit to a God status.

Well my view of the Trinity is somewhat unorthodox.

My view is that the Father is a singular person, and the Son is also a singular person, but the Holy Spirit is a dual person (Father and Son).
The Holy Spirit living in us is also Father and Son living in us.
God is, therefore, Father, Son and Holy Spirit living in us.

"I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever -- the Spirit of truth...If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him." -- (John 14:16-23).

The Father and Son comes to us through the Holy Spirit coming to us.

Actually, some Christians view the holy spirit as a force that God uses.

The Holy Spirit as being just a force is a bit hard to swallow since the Holy Spirit does have a personality -- the Holy Spirit speaks, makes decisions and gives instructions:

"While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, 'Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.'" -- (Acts 13:2).

Me? I accept God whichever way he might be. To me the important thing is that he is our heavenly Father and creator. All other things are totally secondary.

No problem there.

So I am not arguing against the trinity nor for it. Just pointing out that the two viewpoints have their value.

Well I just added a third viewpoint.