Debating Points On Catholic Theology

[Rhamiel]

Actually, I've studied and taught them for many years now. I'm currently teaching a Survey of the Old Testament class.

Regardless, that doesn't change the fact that what you're talking about is Replacement Theology, which is a heresy.

how is it a "replacement" if part of Israel has become Christian... the 12 Apostles, Paul, many people through the ages have converted from judaism to christianity
so Christianity contains in itself the faithful remniant of Israel and the gentiles who have been grafted on

 

[Rhamiel]

Common misunderstanding. It is that whole 'Limbo' thing...

Limbo is not scriptural and the RCC recently declared it is not true.

it was not declared, the Pope does not believe it to be true, it is not a popular idea but it is not agianst the faith, you can either believe it or not

 

[JacktheCatholic]

it was not declared, the Pope does not believe it to be true, it is not a popular idea but it is not agianst the faith, you can either believe it or not

You sure?

I recall reading that it is incompatible with RCC theology.

Not to be argumentative but I need to verify it.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

it was not declared, the Pope does not believe it to be true, it is not a popular idea but it is not agianst the faith, you can either believe it or not

I stand corrected.

What happened was a discussion on Limbo as never being a doctrine of the RCC. That is still so.


I did find a ton of info on the multiple theological considerations on Limbo and the like:

The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptised



But again, this is not a teaching of the RCC and it is NOT denied. The denied part was something I erroneously added by recalling something wrongly.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Common misunderstanding. It is that whole 'Limbo' thing...

Limbo is not scriptural and the RCC recently declared it is not Doctrine.

Correction!

Not Doctrine is what I should have posted.

 

[Rhamiel]

You sure?

I recall reading that it is incompatible with RCC theology.

Not to be argumentative but I need to verify it.

thats cool, i will double check

 

[sunlover1]

Please note how many times Jesus prayed for unity of His people.

Ironic that you'd mention this. I feel that same way (of course since I have
the mind of Christ) but seems that unless I join the RC church, I, as a child
of God's am not allowed to participate in the Lord's Supper (which God
himself mandated btw)
I guess if you're gonna start dissin me for lack of unity I'm gonna shoot from the hip.

Hi Sun,

I am disagreeing with you. When anyone gets baptized into the Lord Jesus Christ we are all in one Body and in a mystical way we are united.

I agree with that!
We (His children) have all been baptized into the one body:
But we have all been baptized into one body by one Spirit,
and we all share the same Spirit.
I was talking about Roman catholicism and protestantism.
No deal, no agreement, no unity, no good.

Around 250 AD Cyprian of Carthage, in one of his epistles, wrote:


CHURCH FATHERS: Epistle 51 (Cyprian of Carthage)

We can see that even the early Christian Church believed the same as the RCC does today.

250 AD
A hundred years is a LONG, long time.
So for me it has to jive with Scripture,
not with what men thought in 250 AD

In my experience Catholics have always seemed to be the most theologically snobby group. I've not experienced the consistency of being told I'm not "really" a Christian from any other group.

Evidently NO man is saved if they knowingly reject Roman catholicism.
Salvation outside the church:
However, for those who knowingly and deliberately (that is, not out of innocent ignorance)
commit the sins of heresy (rejecting divinely revealed doctrine) or schism
(separating from the Catholic Church and/or joining a schismatic church),
no salvation would be possible until they repented and returned to live in Catholic unity.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

250 AD
A hundred years is a LONG, long time.
So for me it has to jive with Scripture,
not with what men thought in 250 AD

And yet, it is 2010 AD and what you write is a VERY LONG, LONG , long time from when the Apostles wrote.

There is a man removed 150 years and here we have a woman removed 1980 years. Both reading scriptures and making a judgment on their meaning.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

thats cool, i will double check

I did already and you are correct. That is a problem with us as individuals thinking we can do it all.

Just glad I have thousands of RCC scholars keeping it straight.

 

[sunlover1]

And yet, it is 2010 AD and what you write is a VERY LONG, LONG , long time from when the Apostles wrote.

Hi Jack
My point to him was that if something was going on 200 years after Jesus
was here in the flesh, SO much time has transpired that many things could
very well have changed. (But then again, you are aware of how i feel about
the writings of "early" church fathers. They are what they are.
Not worthless but only as good as their weakest links.


There is a man removed 150 years and here we have a woman removed 1980 years. Both reading scriptures and making a judgment on their meaning. [/quote]

What we 'read' hasn't changed

 

[Auburn88]

You are Christian! Then you are my Catholic brother!!!

How can two walk together except they be agreed? Sorry, but we follow two very different religions.

I ceased to be Catholic the moment I was born again.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

How can two walk together except they be agreed? Sorry, but we follow two very different religions.

I ceased to be Catholic the moment I was born again.

I am in the Body of Christ. My Lord is Jesus Christ.

If you are too, then we are brothers and I call you Catholic.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

What we 'read' hasn't changed

Only their interpretation.

 

[Auburn88]

I am in the Body of Christ. My Lord is Jesus Christ.

Yes, a lot of Catholics believe that.

If you are too, then we are brothers and I call you Catholic.

How can two walk together except they be agreed? Sorry, but we follow two very different religions.

I ceased to be Catholic the moment I was born again.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Yes, a lot of Catholics believe that.

What are you saying, that Catholics are not in the Body of Christ?

 

[Auburn88]

What are you saying, that Catholics are not in the Body of Christ?

Feel free to interpret it any way you like.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

How can two walk together except they be agreed? Sorry, but we follow two very different religions.

I ceased to be Catholic the moment I was born again.

Are you saying you are not Christian or that you think Catholicism is not Christian?

I hope it is something else, all together.


As to being born again, I am surprised you were not baptized as a Catholic since the RCC thinks baptism is so very important and we baptize as infants.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Feel free to interpret it any way you like.

I did. You and I are Catholic brothers.

 

[Auburn88]

I did. You and I are Catholic brothers.

Nope. We're not brothers. The Bible says that we have two different fathers and Mary, who you believe to be your mother, most certainly is not my mother.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

I did. You and I are Catholic brothers.

Nope. We're not brothers. The Bible says that we have two different fathers and Mary, who you believe to be your mother, most certainly is not my mother.

I'm with Jack on this one, faith in Christ is the common denominator. I'm not RC, but I'm part of the "Holy catholic Church, and the Communion of the Saints", and I believe you are if you hold faith in Christ; as defined in the Nicene Creed... which BTW is the statement of faith held by Christian Forums.