Another false assumption on your part. I have a lot of reasons to call into question the narrative you've been posting. Allegiance to Rome is definitely not one of them.
We’re relying on you to have done YOUR homework. Putting that link up is your way of saying it’s credible. That is a statement about your own credibility.
You posted the link. You should have checked it out before putting it out there. Not just toss it out there and hope it isn’t demolished.
Do you stand by the numbers in your linked article? If it is shown to be hogwash what will you do? By the way, it’s already been shown to be hogwash. You can follow the SDA dogmas about the Catholic Church OR you can follow history. You pick.
When all one has is a hammer, then everything else is a nail.
But the SDA have a whole bevy of anti-Catholic dogmas. I think more than any other denomination would ever want to have. Only one of them being that the Catholics 'changed' the Sabbath. And then the popes killing 50 or whatever million people they say. I suspect they would also maintain Peter never went to Rome, and how Rome never was a patriarchal see, and on and on and on and on. It's all Ellen Gould White.
One does not have to be in lock-step agreement with Rome to recognize the significance and history of the Church located there.
Bored?
Ellen Gould White is more a pope to them than any Catholic would treat our popes. They hold that she wrote inspired teaching. Catholics have conceded that popes cannot err in limited ways. They treat her writings on par with Scriptures. Talk about adding to Scripture. And so they are locked into whatever errors she has made, historical errors, doctrinal errors, moral errors, medical errors, attitudinal errors.
And yet the popes killed how many Europeans in that exact time frame? How do you double the population when killing off almost the entire population? I don't get the math.I was curious about the actual population number in Europe:
"Between 1500 and 1750 the European population doubled from about 65 million to around 127.5 million."
The Population of Europe: Early Modern Demographic Patterns | Encyclopedia.com
THE POPULATION OF EUROPE: EARLY MODERN DEMOGRAPHIC PATTERNSDavid Levine Source for information on The Population of Europe: Early Modern Demographic Patterns: Encyclopedia of European Social History dictionary.www.encyclopedia.com
When Australia was entranced by the story of the Chamberland baby taken by a dingo, and the trial of her mother and father, I visited a SDA church weekly on Saturdays for about 11 or 12 weeks. A family that I knew, from encountering the wife at a bookshop, invited me to share their sabbath (Saturday) lunch and company in the afternoons on those Saturdays. In the many discussions we had, which were often about doctrine and practises the wife said, "I wonder why we don't just bind Ellen Whites works with the bible as one book because we know she was inspired." So, that gives some insight into how SDA people in the 1980s thought about Ellen Whit's books.
Denominations are human manufactured divisions. The church in Corinth fell into that trap. The Church in Rome is no more the true church than the church of Ephesus, Philadelphia or any other church. There is the local church, all Christians who live in a district, and the universal church, all who are born again. That is the only distinction that God makes. Everything else is man made.
Wow!
Agreed, we do not. My comments are more about the ahistorical attacks on the papacy and the Catholic Church that Ellen White's books contain than about SDA doctrine, so to mention the errors one must mention the source. And the truth is that the church in Rome is genuinely a first century AD church and not some invention of the late Emperor Constantine.
One cannot agree with this; there are, as you say, local churches, and there is in truth a church of the first born, but there is no earthly church of "all who are born again", as you said.
There is no verse from God’s word that says Rome killed millions of people. And I’m not a supporter of Roman theology, I’ve made that abundantly clear in this thread several times. Yeah the atrocities committed by Rome during the inquisitions were no doubt inexcusable but they weren’t killing millions of people. Even tho I don’t support Roman theology I’m not about to start spreading false accusations against them because of my disagreement with their theology and what the church did hundreds of years ago under a completely different leadership doesn’t reflect who they are today. They’ve long since repented from those sins and the people who committed them are long dead. The church made several mistakes even during the time of the apostles and that is recorded in the scriptures over and over. Nevertheless they were still the church of God whom Jesus called to repentance in Revelation 2 & 3 even despite their shortcomings. Furthermore you can’t attribute the sins of Rome to the Catholic Church as a whole because ONLY Rome participated in those sins 130 years after their excommunication from the rest of the Catholic Church. The rest of the Catholic Church never participated in those actions nor did they condone them nor did they ever do anything remotely similar to the inquisitions. So you can’t sit there and accuse the entire Catholic Church for being guilty of those events when they had no affiliation with Rome during that time and they had nothing to do with what Rome was doing. The facts are the apostolic Church of God adopt the name Catholic some time during the second century and your church didn’t exist. Your church was founded by Ellen White in 1863 just like the SDA official website specifically states, it is not an apostolic church.
www.adventist.org
Yeah I did some math as well and the church would’ve had to execute 72,886 people per year in order to kill 50 million during the entire 686 years of the inquisitions. That’s 200 people per day, every day for 686 years which is beyond ridiculous and completely unbelievable by anyone with any sort of rational sense of reasoning. It’s astronomically obvious that it’s an enormous fabrication. There wouldn’t be a tree left standing in all of Europe if they were burning that many bodies everyday.I was curious about the actual population number in Europe:
"Between 1500 and 1750 the European population doubled from about 65 million to around 127.5 million."
The Population of Europe: Early Modern Demographic Patterns | Encyclopedia.com
THE POPULATION OF EUROPE: EARLY MODERN DEMOGRAPHIC PATTERNSDavid Levine Source for information on The Population of Europe: Early Modern Demographic Patterns: Encyclopedia of European Social History dictionary.
Yeah and the Spanish Inquisitions were the worst part of all the inquisitions which lasted for 356 years resulting in roughly 4,000 executions which is 11 people per year. Not even anywhere close to 72,000 per year.
I agree, I may not agree with Rome’s theology but I’m not about to start making wild accusations about them based on things that happened hundreds of years ago by people who are long dead when the church hasn’t engaged in such activities for hundreds of years now. As it stands now they are still our brethren in Christ even despite our theological differences and not a single one of them can be held accountable for what happened back then. The only reason I ever see a need to bring up the inquisitions is to provide evidence as to the mind set and disposition of the leadership of the church during that time in discussions on matters pertaining to apostolic succession, papal infallibility, and doctrines formulated during that time. Other than that I see no need to even mention it.
