Days Of Noah

[Hammster]

The condition of the world at the time of the rapture is in v37-38.

Where is rapture mentioned in those verses?

 

[Douggg]

Where is rapture mentioned in those verses?

The rapture is not in v37-38. v37-38 describes the condition of the world at the time of the rapture.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Do the Jews (Judaism) consider Jesus their Lord?

 

[Hammster]

The rapture is not in v37-38.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Do the Jews (Judaism) consider Jesus their Lord?

So if the rapture isn’t in those verses, why did you mention it in conjunction with those verses?

 

[Douggg]

So if the rapture isn’t in those verses, why did you mention it in conjunction with those verses?

The rapture is not in v37-38. v37-38 describes the condition of the world at the time of the rapture.

As does the parable of the fig tree generation, gives the generation when the end times events takes place leading up to Jesus's Return.

 

[Hammster]

The rapture is not in v37-38. v37-38 describes the condition of the world at the time of the rapture.

Okay, where is that mentioned in chapter 24?

 

[Douggg]

Okay, where is that mentioned in chapter 24?

v42 specifically.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

coincides with Luke 21:34-36.

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

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Matthew 24:15-31 is information to us Christians.
Matthew 24:32-51 is directions to us Christians.

 

[Hammster]

v42 specifically.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

coincides with Luke 21:34-36.

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

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Matthew 24:15-31 is information to us Christians.
Matthew 24:32-51 is directions to us Christians.

That’s not a rapture.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

The rapture is described in the letter to Philadelphia in Revelation Chapter 3 and in Paul's epistles of Thessalonians and Corinthians. Revelation 3:10-11.
https://tms.edu/m/tmsj13h.pdf.
The Olivet discourse is talking about the second coming of our Lord in power and glory.
https://www.tms.edu/m/tmsj13f.pdf

 

[Timtofly]

Do you have a translation that mentions appearing in the clouds?

Are you a literalist?

 

[Timtofly]

I tend to lean towards a Post-Tribulation rapture interpretation of scripture.

Which tribulation?

 

[Timtofly]

David, "pretrib", as the holders of that view consider the entire 7 years the tribulation, actually implies pre-70th week. Not pre-great tribulation.

A big part of the first half of the 70th week is not the great tribulation.

The great tribulation begins when the aod is placed on the temple mount (the holy place), Matthew 24:15. In the middle part of the 70th week.

Differently, the confirming of the covenant for one week begins the 70th week.

Here are two charts I made. The first is the pre-trib Rapture View.

The second is the anytime Rapture View. The difference is that the anytime Rapture View considers that the rapture could possibly not take place until after the 70th week begins.



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The 70th week started at the baptism of Jesus. How was the rapture at the baptism of Jesus?

No one even agrees what the tribulation is. All think every one else is talking about the same tribulation.

 

[Love First]

Which tribulation?

I understand that Christians always experience tribulation but I’m talking about the Great Tribulation of the end times.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

The great tribulation described in Revelation has not yet occurred based on what I'm understanding and I'm studying from Steve Gregg's 4 views of Revelation, and turns out our author is an Amillenialist. But the weight of the evidence seems to be on Futurism. Yet we continue to read all sections of the viewpoints of the Historicist, Idealist, Preterist and Futurist just so we can be sure of what we believe is right.

 

[Timtofly]

I understand that Christians always experience tribulation but I’m talking about the Great Tribulation of the end times.

Which one? The one in the first 4 Seals, or the one after the Second Coming in the 6th Seal, which is described in the Trumpets? The Trumpets cannot start until the 7th Seal is opened. Two different tribulations. The one "of those days" before Christ comes. The one after Christ comes during the 6 Trumpets and 7 Thunders.

 

[Hammster]

The rapture is described in the letter to Philadelphia in Revelation Chapter 3 and in Paul's epistles of Thessalonians and Corinthians. Revelation 3:10-11.
https://tms.edu/m/tmsj13h.pdf.
The Olivet discourse is talking about the second coming of our Lord in power and glory.
https://www.tms.edu/m/tmsj13f.pdf

No mention of a rapture, or anything like a rapture. You have to read into the text to come up with that.

 

[Hammster]

Are you a literalist?

Can you answer the question?

 

[Love First]

Which one? The one in the first 4 Seals, or the one after the Second Coming in the 6th Seal, which is described in the Trumpets? The Trumpets cannot start until the 7th Seal is opened. Two different tribulations. The one "of those days" before Christ comes. The one after Christ comes during the 6 Trumpets and 7 Thunders.

No, there’s only one Great Tribulation and the second coming does not occur during the sixth seal. There is no tribulation after Christ comes on the last day.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
13But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.15For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.16For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.17Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18Therefore encourage one another with these words.

This has not happened yet, so it is the future rapture of the church.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

If the letter to Philadelphia is NOT referring to the rapture, what is it referring to then?

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

I have spoken with Dr. Kenneth Gentry, Junior so I am well aware of the Preterist viewpoint, and if nothing else, I have learned there are many brilliant and well-educated people behind each view of Revelation, and we should all respect each viewpoint, because there is not 100% conclusive evidence for any of thee major views, or otherwise we would not still be debating them thousands of years later.