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Daniel's 70 Weeks

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Hoonbaba, Apr 19, 2002.

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  1. Pastor N.B.

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  2. rollinTHUNDER

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  3. Blackwing

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    this thread is watched ok so please consider what Erwin said

    thank you
     
  4. NumberOneSon

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    To the moderators,

    For the sake of clarification, Pastor N.B.'s #41 post was not the "preterist view". He posted a 7th Day Adventist view, which is actually historicism, a system that espouses continued prophetic fulfillment today and into the future. The Adventist view of the end-times is premillennial, not preterist, and it is believed that Jesus will return to create a millennial kingdom in the future. Christ's future return will also be literal and visible. This is futurism, not preterism (not full-preterism at any rate).

    So for the record, Pastor N.B. did not violate the rules of this forum, nor was preterist doctrine taught in his #41 post, as per Erwin's request. The rules were obeyed. Thank you for your time.

    In Christ,

    Acts6:5
     
  5. davo

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    Thanks for clarifying that Acts6:5. It is in deed a bit annoying that this happens continually, however it is to be expected that ones ignorance of the scriptures transfers into ignorance of others views. :(

    davo
     
  6. NumberOneSon

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    Good to hear from you, Davo!

    Now, back to the discussion at hand...:)
     
  7. Pastor N.B.

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    Hi,
    Pastor N.B. here: ('i' think?)
    Actually i am testing this 'Christian' site to see if i have been banned? (or censored?)

    I apoligize that some were offended that I believe in 2 Tim. 3:16's inspiration that says ALL Scripture is to be used to understand doctrine. And instruction in Rightousness also, huh? Seems that future 'stuff' alone is only 1/2 Gospel at best!

    And also the Words Word, of 'Everlasting Gospel' and 'Eternal Covenant'? Wow! Rev. 14:6 & Heb. 13:20 must be off limits too, huh? Eternal has got to be ONLY FUTURE?

    Sorry, but that sounds to me like the last verses in the complete book of inspiration? "If any man shall take away from the words of this book of this prophecy, God [shall take away his part out of the book of life..]." And where might that have been elsewhere recorded? try Eccl. 3:14 or Deut. 4:2.

    And some question my calling? But My Master said:
    "But have renounced the hidden things of [dishonesty,] not walking in [craftiness,] nor [HANDLING THE WORD OF GOD DECEITFULLY].." 2 Cor. 4:2. Terrorist of the worst type, are ones who are preparing souls for [eternal] obliteration.

    Do you realize that if these folk were REAL CHRISTIANS, they would apoligize to the Master in [His] public forum, or show scripture for His [EVERLASTING GOSPEL] assassination!

    Yes: 'i' am fully aware that a decision will be made if this gets posted? A Christian apology will come, or i will go the way of what some folks call Christian liberty.

    Pastor N.B.
     
  8. rollinTHUNDER

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    Pastor may be your title at your place of worship, but you are not Pastor of this forum. That title should have no bearing here. One may use such a title to deceive or mislead others.
     
  9. Josiah

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  10. RKF

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    Keep it short and sweet. We are not into reading alot at once. I know I'm not. Get to the point and we shall respond...
     
  11. Pastor N.B.

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    ***********************

    Do you believe ALL INSPIRATION? 2 Tim.3:16 K.J. version of ALL 66 bks. needed for 'doctrine'? (simple? Just yes or no will do)

    Next: Is the Word of God ALL the Word of God, regardless of Holy men of God putting it in the words of their expression? Case in point: 1 Sam. 25:22

    Finally: short & to the point. Are you a real Christian or do you just claim or make a profession? Case in point: The Master Himself makes the distinction of this 'past or future' club in Matt. 4:4. I will add some emphasis. See if you can 'catch' the [total complete necesity of all 66 books of Inspiration?]

    Christ: "It [is] written, (where? all there was then, was O.T. Inspiration!!) Man shall not live by bread alone, [BUT BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD]." (How about a very DEEP spiritual monumental verse in Gen. 4:7?)

    Again, in 'short'. What do we do then with proof texts such as Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15? They are CLEAR! SHORT! And Inspired FACT! And they just PLAIN CLEAR UP A LOT OF
    MUDDY DOCTRINE! (and wasted reams & reams of paper, :)

    Hope this helps?
    Pastor N.B.
     
  12. RKF

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    I don't get what your trying to say?
     
  13. postrib

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    I believe God did "accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem" (Daniel 9:2) and that "after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place" (Jeremiah 29:10).
     
  14. aChristian

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    Postrib,

    First off, why did you not answer the question I asked you? If the Jews were captives in Babylon for 70 years, not only 49 years as the first century Jewish historian Josephus and all modern historians tell us (587/6 BC to 538/7 BC), then which date or dates do modern historians now have wrong? Jerusalem's fall in 587/6 BC? The Jews' return to Jerusalem in 538/7 BC? Both? Because only 49 years passed between those two dates, not 70. If you say all history books are wrong, please give us your "correct" dates for these events.

    By the way, Jeremiah 29:10 which refers to "70 years AT Babylon," in the KJV is widely recognized today to be a mistranslation of the Hebrew text. Check the NIV, the NASB, the RSV and most other Bibles and you will find Jeremiah actually referred to, "70 years FOR Babylon," not "70 years AT Babylon."

    Read Dan. 9:2 again and you will notice that the word "desolations" is plural. Why? Because Daniel was referring to a long series of desolations (plural) which Babylon laid against Jerusalem. This series of "desolations" (plural) began some 20 years before Babylon finally destroyed Jerusalem and then completely desolated the land of Judah.

    The Bible makes this quite clear. For it tells us that Daniel himself was taken captive from Jerusalem by Babylon during one of its early "desolations of Jerusalem." Most who have studied the book of Daniel have noticed the fact that Nebuchadnezzar came to Jerusalem and beseiged it and took Daniel and several others from Jerusalem as captives, "in the third year of Jehoiakim." (Daniel 1:1,6)Check your history books. When you do you will find that "the third year of Jehoiakim," took place some 18 years before "the eleventh year of Zedekiah," at which time the Bible tells us Babylon finally destroyed Jerusalem, after having attacked it several times in the previouis 20 years. (2 Kings 25:8-10)

    If you read Dan. 2:1 you will also find that Daniel was a captive in Babylon "in the second year of" Nebuchadnezzar's reign, 17 years before Nebuchnezzar destroyed Jerusalem and then finally COMPLETELY desolated the land of Judah. For that happened "in the nineteenth year of Nebuchadnezzar." (2 Kings 25:8)

    Postrib, it wouldn't hurt for you to sometimes admit you are wrong. It would also be very Christian of you to say, "Thank you for helping me understand this portion of the Bible and Jewish history."
     
  15. Pastor N.B.

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    Well then friends,
    Just for openers, most agree perhaps with 27-34AD as seven times? If so, was the Master a member of His own denomination? Why does He say in John 10:16 that He has 'sheep' inside of other [folds] & that He must bring them? (read it for the pure translation)

    Maybe for the sake of one or so, we should say that a FOLD is a DENOMINATION. An ORGANIZED one at that. Try Matt. 17:19 & Matt. 18:15-18 Notice the book of life responsibility.
    Pastor N.B.

    PS: Thunder. You can call me whatever is your liking?? There is not much that offends me. Try Matt. 10:25. And 'i' will continue to do as [MY MASTER] see fit! try ibid. 27! "It is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you." By the way, the "Sons of Thunder" was what a couple of the Masters disciples were called [before] they were converted! Mark 3:17?
     
  16. Josiah

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    What...uh...is ibid 27?
     
  17. aChristian

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    Josiah,

    The notation "ibid." is an abbreviation for the Latin word "ibidem" which means "in the same place." In other words, he was telling you to read the 27th verse of the same chapter he had just referred to.

    Maybe the guy's a real "Pastor" seeing he knows a little Latin. : )

    Mike
     
  18. Pastor N.B.

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    Simple:
    Jesus departed from the Temple. Fact! The disciples came to Him [for to show Him the buildings of the temple]. Matt. 24:1. (remember that all the periods, coma's, chapter & verse numbers are man made}

    OK: No parables here. Christ was to address this that was to be in 70 AD. (39 yrs. later)

    But we find that Christ had departed from the His DENOMINATION before this. (try Mark 13:14 for ONE of TWO ABOMINATIONS that Maketh Desolute, and then Luke 21:20) What was the purpose of the MIDNIGHT CRY Abomination that made the denomination DESOLATE during this seven year period?
    OK: He was put out & put to death, OK?

    Do you have a problem with this? Then lets try John 7:1. "After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: [for He would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill Him]."

    You know, perhaps He was told that He is no Pastor here!?

    In verse 37-39 of Matt. 23, we see first, the [Midnight Cry was BECAUSE OF A FATAL ABOMINATION]! Christ was put out! And He says that their HOUSE (Denomination) [IS LEFT UNTO YOU DESOLATE]. How does this rate in importance with the destruction of Jesuralem in 70 AD? You be the judge?

    The '70'eth week of Dan. 9:24, that of 27-34 AD's week is the MOST IMPORTANT week in the history of the [UNIVERSE!!]
    Verse one of Matt. 24:1-2 is about the [Christless] temple & their denomination, that these folks who [were Mature] choose. (the in/mature still had probationary time up until 70AD) try John 12:42-43 & Isa. 5:3 particuliarly, and then on through verse 8.

    Back to verse 3 of Matt. 24. Too long already??? :confused: Verse 3: "And ... the disciples came unto Him privately, saying,

    NO: one. "Tell us, when shall [these] things be?
    (while INCLUDING all of Matt. 24, what was the Master telling them in the first & second verse? About 70 A.D.'s LOUD CRY slaughter?-try Eze. 9)

    No: two. "And [what shall be the 'sign' of thy coming]..,

    No: three. ..And [of the 'END' OF THE WORLD]."

    In the Master's quickly finished work,
    Pastor N.B.
     
  19. Josiah

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    Hmmm...That was one I'd never heard! Thanks for the education! :)

    (I thought he might've stumbled upon a new book of the Bible that I hadn't heard of! :D )

    ibid...I'll have to use that soon...:)
     
  20. RKF

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    Pastor NB are you a preterest?
     
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