Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

Trivalee said:

The 2300 days of Daniel 8:14 was fulfilled by A4E. There's no need to force it on the future AC.

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The little horn person is time of the end. He is not Antiochus.

DavidPT said:

Some of us have enough discernment to recognize the the Prince of princes in Daniel 8 can be meaning no one but Christ. As if it makes sense that A4E stood up against Christ before Christ was at least born into this world first.

Daniel 8:27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

As if it makes sense, that if ancient times in Daniel's near future are meant per some of this prophecy, that this would cause Daniel to faint, and be sick certain days, and be astonished at the vision, because none understood it, including him.

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I beg to differ. Jesus Christ is not in Dan 8. Only in Dan 7.

Douggg said:

Jesus completely finished the atonement for our sins when he died and was resurrected.

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Yes.
That is in the same time frame of 70 weeks for all of those other points....,

24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city,
to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sin,
to make atonement for iniquity,
to bring in everlasting righteousness,
to seal up vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most holy place.

70 weeks for all of them through Jesus finished work.
He accomplished the work the Father gave him to do.

Jn 17
Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, 2 even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. 3 This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
4 I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.


Its impossible to project any of those points happening beyond the 70 weeks and into the future.

Douggg said:

I see that you are in Australia. From my observance, I think the Anglican church has had a profound influence on posters from Australia and New Zealand.

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I have got no idea what Anglicans believe regarding this subject.
Only my reading of the scriptures has influenced me.
I am one of the lucky ones.

Douggg said:

The little horn person is time of the end. He is not Antiochus.
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Sorry. The little horn of Dan 7 is the future antichrist and the little horn of Dan 8 is Antiochus 4 Epiphanes. And there's nothing like "a little horn person". A little horn is a metaphorical representation of the individual.

Chris Thomas Shepherd said:

The final week of the 70 weeks will not begin until January 20th 2069 (the Antichrist's 2nd inauguration as President of the USA).

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Apparently old Daniel couldn't count for diddly.

Timtofly said:

What is the point about 70AD? Is that more important than the Second Coming?

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THe point is that Daniel's 70 weeks doesn't have anything to do with our Lord's return. It's about the end of Temple Judaism.

Christian Gedge said:

Are you aware that the ‘360-day’ theory only began in 1898 with the writing of Sir Robert Anderson?

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Yep. And th fact is there's no such thing as a 360 day year. A year is 365.25 days long, however long anyone's calendar thinks it is.

Christian Gedge said:

The Australian Anglos have got their heads screwed on, especially the Sydney diocese.

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Agreed.

Douggg said:

If you were to take your bible, and read Daniel 9:24-27 to say a muslim, the words that Daniel spoke in those verses... did the muslim person therefore have a vision?

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What are you talking about here? Can you please just speak straightforwardly?

No, of course. Daniel 9:24-27 was not ta vision that Daniel had. It was prophesy about the future.

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A "vision" can refer to a literal vision that someone literally sees or it can refer to a spoken prophecy. It's called a "vision" in that case because it is giving insight into a future event.

Here is one example of what I'm talking about, so that you can see that I'm not just making this up:

Isaiah 1:1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah. 2 Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the Lord hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.

Isaiah did not have a vision in terms literally seeing something in a dream or anything like that. No, the "vision" of Isaiah here is referring to the insight into the future that the Lord had given to him. So, the vision Gabriel referenced in Daniel 9:23 should be understood similarly. He was telling Daniel to understand the vision/prophecy that he was about to tell him, as recorded in verses 24-27.

Here is another example where a "vision" is not something that was literally seen, but that was spoken.

Jeremiah 23:16 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord.

And here is another example:

Daniel 10:11 And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling. 12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words. 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. 14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days. 15 And when he had spoken such words unto me, I set my face toward the ground, and I became dumb.

In this case, the vision was not something that Daniel saw that would happen, but was something spoken to him by "a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz" (Daniel 10:5) regarding what would happen to his "people in the latter days".

Douggg said:

My point is - the 4 days not being mentioned in Daniel 9 is an irrelevant point, compared to it not being 62 and 1/2 weeks in the text.

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Saying it doesn't say 62 weeks + 4 days is just as relevant as saying it doesn't specifically say 62 and 1/2 weeks.

jeffweedaman said:

Yes.
That is in the same time frame of 70 weeks for all of those other points....,

24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city,
to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sin,
to make atonement for iniquity,
to bring in everlasting righteousness,
to seal up vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most holy place.

70 weeks for all of them through Jesus finished work.
He accomplished the work the Father gave him to do.

Jn 17
Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, 2 even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. 3 This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
4 I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.


Its impossible to project any of those points happening beyond the 70 weeks and into the future.

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Absolutely. It's frankly disturbing to me when I see people not recognize that only Jesus could fulfill the things listed in Daniel 9:24. That was a good reference to John 17. He wasn't saying that He only accomplished some of the work that the Father gave Him to do, He was saying He accomplished ALL of it.

Spiritual Jew said:

Absolutely. It's frankly disturbing to me when I see people not recognize that only Jesus could fulfill the things listed in Daniel 9:24.

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Yes . I feel the same way. I believe it was his cross work that victoriously addressed and secured the blessings of all 6 points through what he did for us. Only he could do it, only his shed blood could secure them all for us.
We have no need to wait for anything to be fulfilled. We are clearly already seated in the heavenly realm awaiting our blessed hope..., the appearing of our great God and savior Jesus. We will inherit more than a brief reign on this earth.

We look to a NHNE like Peter and Jesus did regarding his promise to come and receive us forever more with full inheritance..

Spiritual Jew said:

What are you talking about here? Can you please just speak straightforwardly?

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Daniel 9:24-27 is not a vision, Gabriel was not expressing some vision he had.

Douggg said:

Daniel 9:24-27 is not a vision, Gabriel was not expressing some vision he had.

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Any visitation by an Angel is a vision of a vision as God reveals his truth to us.

Trivalee said:

The 2300 days of Daniel 8:14 was fulfilled by A4E. There's no need to force it on the future AC.

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I agree that Antiochus IV Epiphanes was an antichrist and with his desecration of the Temple in Jerusalem on December 25th 167 BC (Julian calendar) / Dec 22nd 167 BC Gregorian calendar completed the Abomination of Desolation. However, I believe that the Beast from the Sea (aka the little horn or the Antichrist) mentioned in Revelation will repeat the Abomination of Desolation with the murder of the two witnesses and the desecration of Jesus' sarcophagus in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem between July 4th and July 7th 2072. This will coincide with the abolition of the Holy Communion by the Catholic Church at the behest of the False Prophet on behalf of the Antichrist (who by this time has replaced Jesus, asserting that he is the 2nd coming of Christ).

Trivalee said:

What makes you believe the antichrist will be the president of the USA? The USA is not factored in the fourth beast from where the AC will spring from Daniel 7:8.

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Just as Rome was the 4th terrible beast of the past, so to the US is the 4th terrible beast of the near future, imo.

Christian Gedge said:

I don’t know where the US fits in end times, but I think Donald was the ‘last trump.’

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It's interesting that you mention Trump.
Trump is derived from the word trumpet, which is defined as a 'little horn'. However, Trump Sr is the father of lies, who I believe has sired the 'little horn' from Daniel 8.