Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

[Timtofly]

Tim, your post is so confusing because you are rambling.

Why do you reject Jesus is the 70th week? Is Daniel 9 too literal or too symbolic?

Jesus was Christ for 3.5 years. Jesus will finish the 70th week as King sitting on a throne in a temple in Jerusalem. Matthew 25:31.

The 7th Trumpet is the end of the 70th week.

How is that rambling?

Is it because I don't hold to a physical 7 years in the first century or 7 years in some future fictional narrative? Gabriel was rambling as well. That is why folks make up their own historical narrative, because they don't accept Scripture.

 

[grafted branch]

Yes, I am aware of that. But Antiochus was not time of the end. So the little horn person is not him.

That’s a matter of opinion, the entire 70 weeks can be the time of the end. That is the end of the time of old covenant.

The temple to be built in the near future, the Revelation 11 temple John was told to measure. The rightful state is to remove those things that will have made it desolate from the worship of the One True God.

Those things will be, specifically.

1. The beast
2. The false prophet
3. The abomination of desolation statue image of the beast
4. Satan

So are you saying that sacrifices will once again be accepted by God, and this is the righteous state of the sanctuary?

 

[Douggg]

Why do you reject Jesus is the 70th week?

The 70th week is a unit of time, not a person.

Jesus was Christ for 3.5 years. Jesus will finish the 70th week as King sitting on a throne in a temple in Jerusalem. Matthew 25:31.

The 7th Trumpet is the end of the 70th week.

How is that rambling?

Jesus is the Christ, the messiah, coming in the name of the Lord - forever, not just 3 1/2 years.

Is it because I don't hold to a physical 7 years in the first century or 7 years in some future fictional narrative? Gabriel was rambling as well. That is why folks make up their own historical narrative, because they don't accept Scripture.

People cannot understand your posts because you have multitude of obscure ideas and you don't communicate them well. Make a timeline chart of the Daniel 9's 70 weeks, and present it, because a picture is worth a thousand words.

 

[Douggg]

That’s a matter of opinion, the entire 70 weeks can be the time of the end. That is the end of the time of old covenant.

Time of the end is found in Daniel 12:4 when travel and knowledge are increased.

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

So are you saying that sacrifices will once again be accepted by God, and this is the righteous state of the sanctuary?

I am saying that the Jews will start up animal sacrifices once again, following what they think is keeping the Mt. Sinai covenant. The temple they build will be intended by them to be for worship of God.

Are the animal sacrifices - a means for Salvation? Of course not.

 

[wonderkins]

Or, the temple was still standing when John wrote revelation. The new testament doesn't say anything about a third temple being built. Where does it say the sacrifices will start again?

 

[grafted branch]

Time of the end is found in Daniel 12:4 when travel and knowledge are increased.

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Knowledge did increase, the New Testament revealed what was hidden in the Old Testament. Surely we are not waiting for 2 Revelation to be written.
Many ran to and fro preaching the gospel to the Gentiles.

I am saying that the Jews will start up animal sacrifices once again, following what they think is keeping the Mt. Sinai covenant. The temple they build will be intended by them to be for worship of God.

Are the animal sacrifices - a means for Salvation? Of course not.

Yes, but in Daniel 8:14 the word <6663> doesn’t mean following what someone thinks is right.

Brown-Driver-Briggs

[צָדֵק, צָדֹק] verb denominative be just, righteous; —

Qal Perfect3feminine singular צָֽדְקָה Isaiah 38:26; 2masculine singular צָדַקְתָּJob 33:12; Job 35:7; etc.; Imperfect3masculine singular יִצְדַּק Job 9:2 +; יִצְדָּ֑קJob 4:17; Job 11:2; 3feminine plural תִּצְדַּקְנָה Ezekiel 16:52 (ᵐ5 Co תְּצַדְּקִין, not Berthol Toy Krae), etc; —

1 have a just cause, be in the right, Job 9:15,20; Job 13:18; Job 34:5; in complaint Job 33:12; with מִן person Genesis 38:26 (J; of Tamar).

2 be justified, in one's plea Job 11:2; with עִם (man with God) Job 9:2; Job 25:4; ׳בי Isaiah 45:25; by witnesses Isaiah 43:9; by acquittal Psalm 143:2; Isaiah 43:26; by condemnation of opponent Job 40:8.

3 be just: of God, in his government, in charging with sin Psalm 51:6; of ׳מִשְׁמְּטֵייֿPsalm 19:10.

4 be just, righteous, in conduct and character: of men Job 10:15; Job 15:14; Job 22:3; Job 35:7, with מִן compare, Job 4:17 (more than God; Dr at God's hand, מִן 2d), Ezekiel 16:52 (< ᵐ5 Co Pi`el).​

How can animal sacrifices be considered righteous once again?

 

[Timtofly]

The 70th week is a unit of time, not a person.

Jesus is the Christ, the messiah, coming in the name of the Lord - forever, not just 3 1/2 years.


People cannot understand your posts because you have multitude of obscure ideas and you don't communicate them well. Make a timeline chart of the Daniel 9's 70 weeks, and present it, because a picture is worth a thousand words.

You used to accept an anytime rapture, but the timeline is not complicated like you make it out to be.

I am on a cell phone, not a computer.

Jesus was cut off from being on earth, not cut off as in dead. Of course Jesus never stops being Christ. You are totally avoiding the point.

Your future scenario is fiction. So is the last 3.5 years of the 70th week existing in the first century. That is what posters around here call hogwash. All human theology without historical record is just human opinion, and made up hogwash. And then many associate the historical record wrong as well, more hogwash.

Just using terms people seem to use and understand around this forum.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

duplicate post

 

[Spiritual Jew]

The smallest unit is weeks (7 years) and half weeks ( 3 1/2 years). So 4 days is negligible a 7 years timeframe, as being .00158 of 7years.

Okay. So? What is your point?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Jeff, I ask for the one translation you used. And I asked for verses 21-24.

The reason for verse 21-24 is that the vision referred to in those verses are about the prince who shall come. The vision refers back to the time of the end vision of the little horn - when Daniel first encountered Gabriel in Daniel 8.

The 70 weeks must seal up that vision.

From the kjv:

21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Wrong. The vision that Daniel was asked to consider was explained in verses 24-27. The vision that he had seen before was already explained in Daniel 8:19-25, so there was no need to say anything further about that vision. Daniel 9:24-27 is a completely separate prophecy from that one.

 

[DavidPT]

I am saying that the Jews will start up animal sacrifices once again, following what they think is keeping the Mt. Sinai covenant. The temple they build will be intended by them to be for worship of God.

Are the animal sacrifices - a means for Salvation? Of course not.

When someone is interpreting some of these things like this, and unfortunately there was a time I did as well, who can blame anyone for refusing to accept that the entire 70 weeks are not finished yet? Why would anyone except a Dispensationalist Pretribber want to agree with your interpretation?

There are other solutions. And I'm not meaning the entire 70 weeks having already been fulfilled are these other solutions. The other solutions I'm referring to, none of this is meant to be taken in a literal sense if involving the future still. I see it connecting with 2 Thessalonians 2:4, for one. I don't take any of that in the literal sense any longer. I probably used to years ago, but that was years ago, and this is now.

 

[Douggg]

Wrong. The vision that Daniel was asked to consider was explained in verses 24-27.

If you were to take your bible, and read Daniel 9:24-27 to say a muslim, the words that Daniel spoke in those verses... did the muslim person therefore have a vision?

No, of course. Daniel 9:24-27 was not ta vision that Daniel had. It was prophesy about the future.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The vision that he had seen before was already explained in Daniel 8:19-25, so there was no need to say anything further about that vision. Daniel 9:24-27 is a completely separate prophecy from that one.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

Daniel was troubled by the vision, so much so to be sick over it. He recovered, and went about the king's business , but no one understood it. Apparently, he shared his vision with others.

In Daniel 9, because Daniel was trouble by the vision, it was Gabriel who the Lord sent - give Daniel further understanding the time of the end little horn person. That he would come from the people who destroy the temple and sanctuary. That he confirms the covenant (the Mt. Sinai covenant that Daniel had been praying over,) for 7 years.

And that in the middle part of the 7 years, something also not in Daniel 8, that the little horn person stops the daily sacrifice. And that the Princes of princes who breaks the little horn person, will be the messiah.

 

[Douggg]

Okay. So? What is your point?

My point is - the 4 days not being mentioned in Daniel 9 is an irrelevant point, compared to it not being 62 and 1/2 weeks in the text.

 

[Trivalee]

From my calculations, Artaxerxes decree came on March 13, 444 BC. The first 69 weeks of the 70 weeks is equivalent to 483 years (at 360 days per year) which places Jesus' crucifixion on Friday April 3rd, 33 AD on a Nisan 15 (Passover full moon).
The final week of the 70 weeks will not begin until January 20th 2069 (the Antichrist's 2nd inauguration as President of the USA).

What makes you believe the antichrist will be the president of the USA? The USA is not factored in the fourth beast from where the AC will spring from Daniel 7:8.

 

[Douggg]

Or, the temple was still standing when John wrote revelation. The new testament doesn't say anything about a third temple being built. Where does it say the sacrifices will start again?

That the animal sacrifices will start again is implied in Daniel 8:11 of the little horn person, time of the end, stopping them. And also in Daniel 9:27, of the prince who shall come (the little horn person) stopping them.

 

[Trivalee]

Vision of the time of the end little horn's 2300 days is not on the chart - and cannot be on a chart that ends in 70 ad.

Sealing up the vision of the little horn person is one of things that the 70 weeks are determined for.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

The vision is that of the little horn person, time of the end, and the 2300 days involving him. Prophecy includes prophecies about the messiah. Which the 70 weeks end with Jesus's return.

little horn person will be the prince who shall come. Who then becomes the Antichrist. Who then becomes the beast.

The 2300 days of Daniel 8:14 was fulfilled by A4E. There's no need to force it on the future AC.

 

[Trivalee]

Vision of the time of the end little horn's 2300 days is not on the chart - and cannot be on a chart that ends in 70 ad.

Sealing up the vision of the little horn person is one of things that the 70 weeks are determined for.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

The vision is that of the little horn person, time of the end, and the 2300 days involving him. Prophecy includes prophecies about the messiah. Which the 70 weeks end with Jesus's return.

little horn person will be the prince who shall come. Who then becomes the Antichrist. Who then becomes the beast.

The 2300 days of Daniel 8:14 was fulfilled by A4E. There's no need to force it on the future AC.

 

[DavidPT]

The 2300 days of Daniel 8:14 was fulfilled by A4E. There's no need to force it on the future AC.

Some of us have enough discernment to recognize the the Prince of princes in Daniel 8 can be meaning no one but Christ. As if it makes sense that A4E stood up against Christ before Christ was at least born into this world first.

Daniel 8:27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.


As if it makes sense, that if ancient times in Daniel's near future are meant per some of this prophecy, that this would cause Daniel to faint, and be sick certain days, and be astonished at the vision, because none understood it, including him.

 

[Trivalee]

The prince to come has nothing whatsoever to do with the decree of the 70 weeks.

24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city,
to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sin,
to make atonement for iniquity,
to bring in everlasting righteousness,
to seal up vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most holy place.

This is Messiahs accomplished work alone that he completed before he ascended to the Father.

The prince to come is integral to the prophecy and has everything to do with the 70 weeks IMHO.

 

[Trivalee]

Some of us have enough discernment to recognize the the Prince of princes in Daniel 8 can be meaning no one but Christ. As if it makes sense that A4E stood up against Christ before Christ was at least born into this world first.

Daniel 8:27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

As if it makes sense, that if ancient times in Daniel's near future are meant per some of this prophecy, that this would cause Daniel to faint, and be sick certain days, and be astonished at the vision, because none understood it, including him.

I beg to differ. Jesus Christ is not in Dan 8. Only in Dan 7.