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Featured Dan. 9.27

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by JM, Oct 27, 2018.

  1. BABerean2

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    How are you going to disconnect Israel(Jacob) from his grandfather, which is Abraham?

    We should also ask, why you are trying to disconnect them?


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  2. Douggg

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    Abraham and Jacob are not the same person.
     
  3. Douggg

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    The house of Israel went into 2000 years captivity because they rejected Jesus. It is not talking about the Babylonian captivity, nor the Assyrian captivity.
     
  4. BABerean2

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    Are you trying to say the promise made to Abraham is different from the promise made to his grandson Jacob?

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  5. iamlamad

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    What is confirmed is that He always says YES to His promises.
     
  6. jgr

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    That, and much more.
    - in him what was promised has come to pass
    - have been fulfilled, have been confirmed by the event
     
  7. vinsight4u

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    /nvm
     
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  8. vinsight4u

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    /nvm
     
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  9. vinsight4u

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    /nvm
     
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  10. BABerean2

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    Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
    (Compare this to what Paul said in Romans 2:28-29.)

    Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
    (Is this the "holy city" you are talking about?)


    Based on the passage below, the Second Coming of Christ occurs when the times of the Gentiles comes to fullness.

    Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
    Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
    Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
    Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
    Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.


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  11. vinsight4u

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    /nvm
     
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  12. BABerean2

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    Based on Romans 11:1-5, all of the Israelites were not "partially blinded".
    Instead, part of the Israelites were blinded, and part were not.
    It has been that way since the time of Elijah, and Paul confirms it as a fact during his time in Romans 11:5.

    You are twisting the text to make your viewpoint work.

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  13. vinsight4u

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    /nvm
     
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  14. jgr

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    According to grammatical convention, the antecedent of the pronoun would be the most recent preceding noun to which it could most logically refer. In this case, that would be the "prince".
     
  15. vinsight4u

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    /nvm
     
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  16. vinsight4u

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    /nvm
     
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  17. jgr

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    So who is the prince?
     
  18. vinsight4u

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    /nvm
     
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  19. NJBeliever

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    I think this passage unfortunately, had some major translation issues centuries ago. I opt for the Septuagint translation:

    "And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation." - LXX

    This it's not really about -"who" established the covenant - but instead that the covenant is established at all. The "covenant" all throughout the Old Testament refers to the Mosaic Law. The Antichrist, in his impostor role, will help reestablish the Mosaic law, temple sacrifice, etc. And then in the middle of the 70th week, he will ban all worship of God and declare himself god - committing the abomination of desolation which will cause the remnant of Israel to flee the Holy Land.

    Daniel 9's prophecy is all about the TEMPLE. That is the context of the vision and interpretation from the angel to Daniel. And the Septuagint, which was quoted by The Lord and His disciples and actually contains the phrase "abomination of desolations" (which The Lord quotes in the Gospels), seems to be the best source for this question.
     
  20. NJBeliever

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    Nehemiah.
     
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