Dan. 9.27

[Douggg]

So it should be easy to choose any assertion in parousia70's discourse and refute it, including with Scripture.

There is no parousia 70's discourse in the bible to refute.

 

[jgr]

???? What? The corruptible shall put on incorruptible.

???? What? At the same time they're still wearing corruptible?

 

[jgr]

There is no parousia 70's discourse in the bible to refute.

That should make it even easier to refute his if it's not in the Bible.

 

[Douggg]

That should make it even easier to refute his if it's not in the Bible.

The book of Revelation refutes it, chapters 6-19.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[BABerean2]

Everyone here knows that. But it does not make the church - Israel.

Apparently, everyone here does not know that.

Some seem to think that modern Jews will be given at second chance of salvation at Christ's Second Coming.
I have heard people I know say this during Bible studies in my home.

Can you explain why Matthew 1:1, and Galatians 3:16 do not reveal that Christ is the ultimate fulfillment of Israel?

If Jesus Christ is not the ultimate fulfillment of Israel, then who is, and how do you determine who is Israel?

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[BABerean2]

Abraham is not Israel.

No, that would be his grandson, Jacob, who was renamed "Israel".

However, the promise that "all" the families of the earth would be blessed through Abraham's seed was made to Abraham and is found in Genesis 12:3.
David is also both Abraham's seed, and Jacob's seed.

Matthew 1:1 reveals that Christ is the fulfillment of the seed promise made in Genesis 12:3, through both Abraham, and David.
Do you deny this fact?

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[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[BABerean2]

Their eyes have been darkened, as foretold in the OT-they are in blindness/partial, as shown in the NT. This blindness time lasts until all of the Gentiles come in -as in the last Christians join the church.
But one day, Jesus Christ will return in power and great glory. He will be seen as the sign of the Son of man in heaven...Israel will stop their blindness time by saying - Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord - type of remark.
The Jews/tribes will realize that Jesus Christ is the Messiah.

You are selectively reading the New Testament to make your narrative above work.

In Romans 11 Paul describes the fact that the Israelites were "partially" blinded.
Does that mean all of the Israelites are "partially blinded", or does it mean that part are blinded, and part are not blinded?
Your answer is found in Romans 11:5 when Paul described the "remnant" of faithful Israelites that existed during his time. The same is true today. I know modern Jews who have accepted Christ.

As for the fullness of the Gentiles found in Romans 11:25, based on Luke 21:24-28, the "times of the Gentiles" comes to "fullness" at the future Second Coming of Christ.

The time for taking the Gospel to modern Jews is now.

Based on Matthew 25:1-13, and 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and the scripture found above there will be no second chances based on race at His Second Coming.

The "suffering servant" of Isaiah chapter 53, and the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and the timeline of Daniel 9 prove that the baby born in a manger is the Messiah promised in the Hebrew scriptures.
Why have we never seen this simple 3-part Gospel message on Christian television?
Dual Covenant Theology, which is based on race, is part of the answer and part of the problem...

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Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

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[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Douggg]

???? What? At the same time they're still wearing corruptible?

Your body is corruptible right now. It means that it is subject to growing old and dying.

 

[Douggg]

No, that would be his grandson, Jacob, who was renamed "Israel".

However, the promise that "all" the families of the earth would be blessed through Abraham's seed was made to Abraham and is found in Genesis 12:3.
David is also both Abraham's seed, and Jacob's seed.

Matthew 1:1 reveals that Christ is the fulfillment of the seed promise made in Genesis 12:3, through both Abraham, and David.
Do you deny this fact?

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You are trying to prove the church is Israel - but you are not using Israel, but Abraham.

 

[Douggg]

You are selectively reading the New Testament to make your narrative above work.

It's all through the old testament (the Tanach), the end times prophecies and promises regarding Israel, clear as can be that it is not speaking about the church in those passages.

I gave you Ezekiel 39:21-29 of Jesus Himself speaking, which He is clearly not speaking about the church, but Israel.

 

[Douggg]

Apparently, everyone here does not know that.

Some seem to think that modern Jews will be given at second chance of salvation at Christ's Second Coming.

Everyone is treated as an individual. Everyone can receive Jesus regardless of what their relatives do.

Everyone here believes that there is only one way to be saved and that is by believing on Jesus.

 

[jgr]

Your body is corruptible right now. It means that it is subject to growing old and dying.

No argument there. So why would you and I put on incorruptible clothes over corruptible clothes? Wouldn't we instead exchange the latter for the former?

 

[claninja]

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (Dan 9:27)

Who is the one making the covenant in this passage? God or antichrist?

Thank you,

jm

God is the one making the covenant.

If it is the antichrist, there should be scripture outside of Daniel 9:27 to support an enemy of God making a covenant with God's people. There is not.

However, there are plenty of scriptures that mention God making a covenant.
Jeremiah 31:31-32 Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord
Matthew 26:28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Ezekiel 37:26-27 And I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary among them forever. My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be My people.

Jesus is even prophesied as the messenger of the covenant.
Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send My messenger, who will prepare the way before Me. Then the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to His temple—the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight—see, He is coming,” says the LORD of Hosts.

It is Christ who confirmed the covenant at the beginning of his ministry. 3.5 years later, in the midst of the week, It is Christ who took away the first covenant: the sacrifice and offering, at his death and resurrection.
Hebrews 10:8-9 In the passage above He says, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not desire, nor did You delight in them” (although they are required by the Law). Then He adds, “Here I am, I have come to do Your will.” He takes away the first to establish the second.

 

[claninja]

The vile person that will exalt himself in Daniel 11:21. You will find the abomination part mentioned later, and then a few verse more down-he will speak great things. That act links him to the little horn of Daniel 7, and Rev. 13's mouth that comes out of the bottomless pit -and will eventually slay the two witnesses.

This will be the end of the times of the Gentiles over the holy city.
God's wrath=the time when He will judge and avenge can't begin until this time of 42 months has ended that the little horn has to scatter Israel. He will then go down with others attacking him-none will help him -at the time of the end of Daniel 11.

He is not the beast out of the sea mouth. That mouth continues on clear to the time of the battle at the end of Rev. 19.

The little horn is the son of perdition that Paul told will sit in the temple, and then gave us link right to Daniel 11.
exalts himself above God
all that is called god
he will make war with the saints - has 42 months, time, times, and an half a time to scatter the holy people=Israel

the sun will be darkened after this time ends...the moon becomes blood before the day of the LORD =His wrath begins

No mention of a covenant being made though........

 

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[BABerean2]

I gave you Ezekiel 39:21-29 of Jesus Himself speaking, which He is clearly not speaking about the church, but Israel.

23 And the nations shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity; because they trespassed against me, and I hid my face from them: so I gave them into the hand of their adversaries, and they fell all of them by the sword.

Do you think the captivity in Babylon has nothing to do with the passage?

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