Creation or Evolution? How do we know which is true?

[trophy33]

What is the source of truth, where does truth come from?

Truth is a statement that corresponds with reality. Its source is, therefore, the person who makes the corresponding statement.

 

[The Barbarian]

Of course it does. People believe in evolution is same as people build their worldly works on sand.

YE creationism is one of those worldly works. It's a modern invention by people who were not satisfied by the account in Genesis. So they added some things to make it more acceptable to them.

It would cost you in the Heaven.

No. God doesn't care if you don't accept the way He made the world and living things in it. Jesus, in
Matthew 25:31-46, tells you what will determine your eternal home. What you think of creation isn't part of it. He doesn't care. A YE creationist is no less a Christian than the rest of us.

On the other hand, adding new requirements for Heaven, and trying to convince others of your additions, that might carry a risk. Think about that, for the good of your soul.

 

[juvenissun]

YE creationism is one of those worldly works. It's a modern invention by people who were not satisfied by the account in Genesis. So they added some things to make it more acceptable to them.

No. God doesn't care if you don't accept the way He made the world and living things in it. Jesus, in
Matthew 25:31-46, tells you what will determine your eternal home. What you think of creation isn't part of it. He doesn't care. A YE creationist is no less a Christian than the rest of us.

On the other hand, adding new requirements for Heaven, and trying to convince others of your additions, that might carry a risk. Think about that, for the good of your soul.

Creationism honors God.
Evolution demotes God.
As simple as that.

 

[The Barbarian]

Creationism honors God.
Evolution demotes God.
As simple as that.

YE creationism denies God's word in Genesis.
Evolution is consistent with God's word.
As simple as that.

It doesn't mean you're going to hell for being a YE. It merely means you don't agree with the way He handled creation. Fortunately for you, that's not what will determine your salvation.

Just don't make an idol of your new doctrines. That could threaten your salvation.

 

[trophy33]

Creationism honors God.
Evolution demotes God.

Why?

 

[juvenissun]

YE creationism denies God's word in Genesis.

Which chapters? verse(s)?

 

[juvenissun]

Why?

the Bible says that God "creates" this and that.
Evolution says: Hey, god, don't bother, it's been taken care of.

 

[trophy33]

the Bible says that God "creates" this and that.
Evolution says: Hey, god, don't bother, it's been taken care of.

The Bible says that God used waters and dry land to produce animals. They were not created supernaturally from nothing in one instant moment as you probably imagine it.

Therefore, evolution can be just a description of how the land and waters produced the animals (by natural laws God established) we have today.

 

[The Barbarian]

the Bible says that God "creates" this and that.

The only difference is that YE creationists don't approve of the way He did it. The YE doctrine of "life ex nihilo" is directly in contradiction to His word in Genesis.

Evolution says: Hey, god, don't bother, it's been taken care of.

If you have to make up false stories to make your point, isn't that a pretty good clue for you?

 

[The Barbarian]

Which chapters? verse(s)?

Genesis says that the earth, air, and water brought forth life, and that this was God's intent. No "life ex nihilo" as YE creationism has it. And yes, I'm aware that some YE creationists have dropped that part of their new doctrines.

 

[juvenissun]

The Bible says that God used waters and dry land to produce animals. They were not created supernaturally from nothing in one instant moment as you probably imagine it.

Therefore, evolution can be just a description of how the land and waters produced the animals (by natural laws God established) we have today.

Evolution does not work that way. Evolution is a science, not a theology.

 

[trophy33]

Evolution does not work that way. Evolution is a science, not a theology.

Science discovers what God has established.

 

[juvenissun]

The only difference is that YE creationists don't approve of the way He did it. The YE doctrine of "life ex nihilo" is directly in contradiction to His word in Genesis.



If you have to make up false stories to make your point, isn't that a pretty good clue for you?

The Genesis does not say life is made ex nihilo.

 

[juvenissun]

Science discovers what God established for us to discover.

Evolution is not established by God but is established by man. God is much much capable than that.

 

[trophy33]

Evolution is not established by God but is established by man. God is much much capable than that.

Life is flexible and ever developing, its ability given by God.

 

[juvenissun]

Genesis says that the earth, air, and water brought forth life, and that this was God's intent. No "life ex nihilo" as YE creationism has it. And yes, I'm aware that some YE creationists have dropped that part of their new doctrines.

Where did YE say "life" is made ex nihilo? YE'er does not say that then or now.

 

[juvenissun]

Life is flexible and ever developing, its ability given by God.

These two words need rigorous definition.

 

[The Barbarian]

Where did YE say "life" is made ex nihilo? YE'er does not say that then or now.

"God created life from nothing and did it with such precision."
https://bibleleague.ca/words-heart-sunday-january-14th-2018/

"God created life from nothing (lifelessness) by speaking"

Answers in Genesis:
"God has given us some capability to create from pre-existing things, but He is the only one who can create original life from nothing"
Creating Life in the Lab?

 

[juvenissun]

"God created life from nothing and did it with such precision."
https://bibleleague.ca/words-heart-sunday-january-14th-2018/

"God created life from nothing (lifelessness) by speaking"

Answers in Genesis:
"God has given us some capability to create from pre-existing things, but He is the only one who can create original life from nothing"
Creating Life in the Lab?

Thanks but I do think they have a point. You try to use clay and water to make a dog. What you get is not a life but a clay dog. You WISH the beautiful lovely clay dog were alive. Yes, that is only a wish. It will never happen.

Understand?

 

[The Barbarian]

Thanks but I do think they have a point. You try to use clay and water to make a dog.

In other words, even if it worked, it wouldn't be ex nihilo. As you learned, God didn't create life ex nihilo, as YE creationists claim. I understand that you don't agree with that part of YE doctrine. And that's good. But it's an essential part of YE creationism.