Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A. (2)

[Nathan Poe]

You have no clue about the Word of God. You can't because you are a heathen.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony* of God. 2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3 I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, 8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him." 10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. 13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. --1 Cor. 2 [/FONT]

Meaning that this verse would be all the justification you'd need to hang me in your C.S.A.


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Hence, your words are hollow.

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Yours are psychotoic.

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SOLI DEO GLORIA.

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NON COMPOS MENTIS.

 

[mpok1519]

Putting this to an End.

SoF>

Please answer these questions; if you're not afraid. in your own words without quoting scripture.

So if you believe the scripture so whole-heartedly, do you ACTUALLY feel the need to kill adulterers, substance-abusers, homosexuals, as it has been commanded by God?

Do you get an urge to 'cleanse' them from the earth?

If you were given the chance, and you knew no one would find out, would you kill a sinner as it is commanded in the Bible?

Also, if you're saying God put All Government in power, you're saying He put Nero, Hitler, Ghengis Kahn, and Pol Pot into power, and that the people were subject to them as commanded by God, no matter how diabolocal, psychotic, insane, genocidal, or sadistic they are, correct?

If the govt jumped off a bridge, does that mean you should too?

(this cant be possible, by the way, Sheild. Why would you think such things? Why do you choose to read the Bible in such a harmful way? you know its not the right way)

Please answer these questions.

We pray for you, pelase talk to a priest or a counselor.
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Please, does anyone have any scripture pointing towards how "You shouldn't follow crazy or stupid people if it put you in danger?"

I am almost positive there are passages that allude to the fact tht it is just, right and possibly obligatory to rebel against tyrannic authority.

"As I go through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for Thou art with me."

its almost appropriate, but im looking for something more.

 

[Deadbolt]

I doubt he'll answer any of those questions, they make too much sense.

 

[PassionFruit]

Yeah, making sense isn't something Sheild does. I'm still waiting for the answer to my question about supplying birth control and family planning the population of the CSA nation. Since he hates abortion so much.

Still waiting for an answer.

*waits*

 

[Nathan Poe]

Yeah, making sense isn't something Sheild does. I'm still waiting for the answer to my question about supplying birth control and family planning the population of the CSA nation. Since he hates abortion so much.

Still waiting for an answer.

*waits*

I'll answer the question for him -- anyone asking for Birth Control will be arrested and hanged.

 

[reverend B]

well, we know that sof has no answer for the problem of evil rulers like pol pot, idi amin, sadaam, hitler, lenin, etc. these are all the men that God selected to be there according to romans, and the people should have followed their rule. there has been no response on this thread to this obvious collision between scripture and logic. resistance to the nazis is universally held up as a good thing. isn't it, sof?

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Shield, I would like you to address these questions, if you would.

1) Given that you've said that legally sanctioned killing is not murder, how can you say abortion is murder?

2) As you seem to be stating that governing authorities are ordained by god, what is your view of the atrocities such as those conducted under Nazi Germany, and Saddam Hussein's Iraq?

3) As it seems to be against god to disobey government, how can you even consider the idea of creating a separate nation? Something which would currently be illegal.

4) More of the obeying government thing - how can you be critical of government?

Please address those four questions based on your understanding.

Syc, here is where everyone is having a problem.

1. Yes, GOD gave the government the AUTHORITY to execute Capital Punishment.

2. GOD holds the ruler accountable for his judgment and rule. GOD does not give the ruler carte blanche to break all of GOD'S laws and commandments. The ruler must rule in the light of of GOD'S WORD. He does not have the authority by GOD to go on a genocidal murdering spree!!! Hello!

Human beings have limited free will. We only do not have the free will to choose GOD. He has chosen all who will be saved, and He did this before the foundation of the world. Be that as it may, we have the freedom of will to choose what we eat, where we sleep, where to work, what to wear...ect.. Now, Hitler may have been voted into office; fine, but he did not have to invoke the vile genocidal "Final Solution" against the Jews.

Hitler chose to be a vile puke and try to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth. No man forced him into this kind of filth. He broke GOD'S laws by committing serious acts of Murder! He deserved to die. And he did.

Why do you think I keep saying that the New C.S.A. would be a good and holy place to live. Only someone who is born again and filled with the Spirit of God would be able to rule in the C.S.A.. There would be no Hitlers running around in power in the C.S.A..

You should only use Capital Punishment for those sins that GOD has already said are worthy of Capital Punishment. Hence Murder, Rape, Kidnapping, Homosexuality...ect. are justified in the sight of God to punish by Capital Punishment.

Now, if a nation decided not to make homosexuality a Capital Offense, then they would have that right to. However, if they wanted to make it a Capital Offense, then they have the right by GOD to do so.

This should clear up all your questions.

If your ruler is ruling in righteousness under GOD, you should have no problems. If he has become wicked, then you will have many problems!!!

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

All I'll say is if SoF invites you to a CSA summer camp, don't drink the Kool-Aid.

 

[reverend B]

according to your favorite romans verses, the people of germany were bound to obey their leadership. that's what the scripture says. you have been saying that repeatedly. where does the scripture get more complex and let the people of germany off the hook and allow them to develop the resistance? you can't have it all ways and then say "told you i was right". just doesn't work that way, sof.
your caught in your own web.

 

[reverend B]

if your ruler is evil you will have many problems. true. look at us now, here in the u.s.

but romans doesn't say that, does it?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Syc, here is where everyone is having a problem.

1. Yes, GOD gave the government the AUTHORITY to execute Capital Punishment.

2. GOD holds the ruler accountable for his judgment and rule. GOD does not give the ruler carte blanche to break all of GOD'S laws and commandments. The ruler must rule in the light of of GOD'S WORD. He does not have the authority by GOD to go on a genocidal murdering spree!!! Hello!

Then physician, heal thyself.

Human beings have limited free will.

And no human being is the least bit interested in allowing you to limit it any further.

We only do not have the free will to choose GOD. He has chosen all who will be saved, and He did this before the foundation of the world.

And what on Earth makes you think that he chose you?

Be that as it may, we have the freedom of will to choose what we eat, where we sleep, where to work, what to wear...ect.. Now, Hitler may have been voted into office; fine, but he did not have to invoke the vile genocidal "Final Solution" against the Jews.

Nor do you need to invoke it against homosexuals -- yet you do.

Free Will -- ain't it a pain?

Hitler chose to be a vile puke and try to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth. No man forced him into this kind of filth. He broke GOD'S laws by committing serious acts of Murder! He deserved to die. And he did.

Replace "Jews" with "gays," replace "Hitler" with yourself. and... you do the math.

Why do you think I keep saying that the New C.S.A. would be a good and holy place to live.

Self-delusion?

Only someone who is born again and filled with the Spirit of God would be able to rule in the C.S.A.. There would be no Hitlers running around in power in the C.S.A..

What exactly would be the government-sanctioned test to determine if someone is truly born again and filled with the Spirit of God? Who is qualified for administering such a test? You?

You should only use Capital Punishment for those sins that GOD has already said are worthy of Capital Punishment. Hence Murder, Rape, Kidnapping, Homosexuality...ect. are justified in the sight of God to punish by Capital Punishment.

Don't forget heresy, blasphemy, and working on the Sabbath.

Now, if a nation decided not to make homosexuality a Capital Offense, then they would have that right to. However, if they wanted to make it a Capital Offense, then they have the right by GOD to do so.

Now, if a nation decided to legalize abortion, then they have a right by GOD to do so.

This should clear up all your questions.

If your ruler is ruling in righteousness under GOD, you should have no problems. If he has become wicked, then you will have many problems!!!

And since the members of this thread have more or less unanimously decided that your ideas are wicked, you can understand why the C.S.A. is just a slew of problems waiting to happen.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

NON COMPOS MENTIS.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

if your ruler is evil you will have many problems. true. look at us now, here in the u.s.

but romans doesn't say that, does it?

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. --1 Tim. 2

This is why GOD says this. ===^



SOLI DEO GLORIA.
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[ShieldOFaith]

Now, if a nation decided to legalize abortion, then they have a right by GOD to do so.

NON COMPOS MENTIS.

Once again, if you would read the post correctly you'd not be writing this.

Abortion is murder, you can not declare it legal and right in the sight of GOD. He has already declared it vile and an act of murder.

So it would be the same as legalizing Rape, or Kidnapping.

You can be like the U.S. and legalize it; however, you are still SINNING horribly against GOD. He will make you pay for your Sin and filth.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

 

[DrStrangelove]

Once again, if you would read the post correctly you'd not be writing this.

Abortion is murder, you can not declare it legal and right in the sight of GOD. He has already declared it vile and an act of murder.

So it would be the same as legalizing Rape, or Kidnapping.

You can be like the U.S. and legalize it; however, you are still SINNING horribly against GOD. He will make you pay for your Sin and filth.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

So, Phelps, how's your day been?

 

[Sycophant]

Syc, here is where everyone is having a problem.

1. Yes, GOD gave the government the AUTHORITY to execute Capital Punishment.

Romans 13
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted

The argument you seemed to be making before was that this passage suggests that god has given governing authorities a sort of divine authority.

2. GOD holds the ruler accountable for his judgment and rule. GOD does not give the ruler carte blanche to break all of GOD'S laws and commandments. The ruler must rule in the light of of GOD'S WORD. He does not have the authority by GOD to go on a genocidal murdering spree!!! Hello!

Can you give us more detail on your support for this? So far we've seen Romans 13 from you, and it's not so clear at all.

There would be no Hitlers running around in power in the C.S.A.

So it's estimated that up to 10% of the population is homosexual. If the USA were to embrace the ideal of the CSA that would mean up to 30 million people, but lets call it 20 million.

If the USA handed itself over to you and the CSA's ideals tomorrow, would you be willing to kill 20 millions people tomorrow?
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Abortion is murder, you can not declare it legal and right in the sight of GOD. He has already declared it vile and an act of murder.

1: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought

I can't be bothered searching back through the posts - but that's pretty much the definition you offered before.

Ignoring the more in-depth discussion about whether a fetus constitutes 'a person' it quite clearly says unlawful (and that was your earlier point with the definition). Abortion is legal. Therefore it's not murder. For you to say any different is being quite hypocritical.

 

[TheReasoner]

Syc, here is where everyone is having a problem.

1. Yes, GOD gave the government the AUTHORITY to execute Capital Punishment.

Matthew 19:8 says: Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
We know divorce is a sin. We know it is wrong, but it was still allowed. Adam and Eve were allowed to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It was wrong, but it was still allowed. Just as Capital Punishment is allowed even though it is evil.
God has given us free will. With this free will comes the ability and desire to sin. Even satan would not have been able to tempt Adam and Eve if they could have no desire to eat of the tree.
Capital punishment is still wrong, even if God does not bring down lightning upon the heads of those who use it.
And besides, what you're advocating is a LOT more than capital punishment. You are advocating 'cleansing' by genocide.

2. GOD holds the ruler accountable for his judgment and rule. GOD does not give the ruler carte blanche to break all of GOD'S laws and commandments. The ruler must rule in the light of of GOD'S WORD. He does not have the authority by GOD to go on a genocidal murdering spree!!! Hello!

So why do YOU want to go on a genocidal killing spree?

Human beings have limited free will. We only do not have the free will to choose GOD. He has chosen all who will be saved, and He did this before the foundation of the world. Be that as it may, we have the freedom of will to choose what we eat, where we sleep, where to work, what to wear...ect.. Now, Hitler may have been voted into office; fine, but he did not have to invoke the vile genocidal "Final Solution" against the Jews.

So why are you wanting a genocidal 'final solution' against gays, abortionists and so many others? How are you a smidgeon better than Hitler? Because you don't intend to exterminate Jews, just the rest of the people Hitler killed and a few others to top it off?

Hitler chose to be a vile puke and try to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth. No man forced him into this kind of filth. He broke GOD'S laws by committing serious acts of Murder! He deserved to die. And he did.

Shield of Faith chose to be a vile puke and promote wiping the Homosexuals, Communists, Abortionists and others off the face of the earth. No man forced him into this kind of filth. He broke GOD'S laws by promoting serious acts of Murder!

Why do you think I keep saying that the New C.S.A. would be a good and holy place to live.

Sorry, but I think that's because you're sick and twisted.

Only someone who is born again and filled with the Spirit of God would be able to rule in the C.S.A.. There would be no Hitlers running around in power in the C.S.A..

Except the ones ruling the place! The only two major differences between Hitler and you is that A: Hitler knew how to persuade people. And B: Hitler did what you propose.

You should only use Capital Punishment for those sins that GOD has already said are worthy of Capital Punishment. Hence Murder, Rape, Kidnapping, Homosexuality...ect. are justified in the sight of God to punish by Capital Punishment.

Oh, you mean like:
Murder (Genesis 9:5-6)
Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:13-23)
Adultery (Deuteronomy 22:21-24)
Rape (Deuteronomy 22:25)
Incest (Leviticus 20:11)
Bestiality (Leviticus 20:15-16)
Showing contempt for priests or judges (Deuteronomy 17:12-13)
Kidnapping and enslavement (Deuteronomy 24:7)
Leading people away from God (Deuteronomy 13:6-11)
Being stubborn and rebellious (Deuteronomy 21:18)
Attacking one's parents (Exodus 21:15)
Cursing one's parents (Exodus 21:17)
Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 35:2)
Spiritism (Leviticus 20:27)
For careless handling of an animal (Exodus 21:29)
Accidentally killing a pregnant woman (Exodus 21:22-23)
Eating leavened bread during the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Exodus 12:15)
Consuming blood or eating rare meat (Leviticus 17:10)
Sexual activity with a woman while menstruating (Leviticus 20:18)
Speaking false prophesies (Deuteronomy 18:20-22)
Being a glutton and a drunkard (Deuteronomy 21:20-21)
Every possible sin (James 2:10)

I see. Nice thing you got going there!

Now, if a nation decided not to make homosexuality a Capital Offense, then they would have that right to. However, if they wanted to make it a Capital Offense, then they have the right by GOD to do so.

I think what you're suggesting is vile, evil and sickening. You're suggesting genocide, call it what you will but genocide is exactly what it is. This evil persecution of people who may well be sinners but who are no worse than anyone else is for sure anti-christian.

If your ruler is ruling in righteousness under GOD, you should have no problems. If he has become wicked, then you will have many problems!!!

So, we'd have huge problems with you as a ruler. Gotcha.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

Deuteronomy 5:11

Yeah, making sense isn't something Sheild does. I'm still waiting for the answer to my question about supplying birth control and family planning the population of the CSA nation. Since he hates abortion so much.

Still waiting for an answer.

*waits*

You won't get it. I have asked many questions to SoF - almost none of them have been answered.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.
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Deuteronomy 5:11

 

[USMC4Life]

Romans 13 was about the spiritual leaders in Ecclesia. It has nothing to do with the civil government.

 

[Blackguard_]

^^^
Then why does it mention paying taxes?

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

I wonder how long it would take SoF's "CSA" to depopulate itself Cambodia-style through executions and pogroms.

You'd probably be down to two people, one of whom would execute the other for leering at a Playboy magazine, then turn the gun on himself for wearing plaids with stripes or some other Old Testament faux pas.

 

[TheReasoner]

1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. --1 Tim. 2

"a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty"
Yes, that's nice Shield.
How is that even remotely compatible with your hellish idea of a nation?

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

Deuteronomy 5:11