Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A. (2)

[mpok1519]

on a further note, this is the first time I've been called a non-christian for believing that homosexuals shouldn't be executed.

 

[Nathan Poe]

You somehow think I am talking about killing people. When I am clearly speaking about THE GOVERNMENT EXERCISING the right of Capital Punishment.

You somehow read clear posts, and warp them into somekind of murder fantasy. You need help. You are seeing murder where there is none.

The murder is clearly there -- you've created your own government to do your bidding for you, and you want to kill homosexuals.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Study the word and concept of holiness.

GOD is holy and righteous. HE is pure in His holiness. HE is complete and whole in His holiness. Everything He does is pure and holy.

And everything YOU want done in His name is evil and psychotic.

HE is pure and without sin. HE hates sin.

And this is your excuse for lynching people you are afraid of -- not realizing that if you hang sinners, you must walk yourself to the gallows as well.

If you can understand this simple concept, then you can understand the basics of theology.

God is God, and you are not. If you can understand this basic concept, you wouldn't want to hang everybody you fear.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

NON COMPOS MENTIS.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I have answered this question many times over. But I guess once more won't hurt again.

Q. Do you feel the need to cleanse these individuals from the earth?

A. I am a citizen of the United States of America. I live in the state of California. I am a private citizen and hold no public office. I am not a politician. I do not have the authority to kill anybody who is not trying to personally kill me. So I have no authority to execute a homosexual for his sin. I am not trying to execute any homosexuals for their sin.

But you wish you could, and your C.S.A. is the fulfillmet of your fantasy.

Can you understand this? This is really basic and simple.

You're not fooling us; what makes you think you can fool God?

I am saying this very simple fact. If a New nation, or an already existing nation wanted to make homosexuality a Capital Offense; then they would have the right to do so by GOD. Since HE has already placed a sentence of death upon this sin, that nation would be justified in claiming homosexuality a Capital Offense.

Once upon a time there was a nation that made being Jewish a capital offense. Did GOD give them that right?

I do not feel the need to cleanse these people from the earth. Just like I do not feel the need to cleanse any other group of sinners from the earth.

Then stop calling for it.

I just am saying that the government has the right to use Capital Punishment on murder, rape, kidnapping, homosexuality.

The government has the right to use Capital punishment on any crime they see fit -- why do you have a fetish for them doing so?

I am not a vigilante. I am not running around killing homosexuals. I know that you have some kind of fantasy about me, that I am doing this. However, I can assure you that I am not running around murdering homosexuals. That is not reality. If you believe that it is, then you are delusional and you need help.

If you believe homosexuals deserve to die in this day and age, then you are the delusional one.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

NON COMPOS MENTIS.

 

[Nathan Poe]

SoF --

For the sake of clarity, could you please cite the Scripture where God specifically and unambiguously says that homosexuals should be killed?

Not that it's bad, not that it's an abomination, and not just that we shouldn't do it, but the Scripture where God Himself explicitly says that we should kill them.

I'm not denying that it's in there -- I'm sure it is -- but for the purposes of this discussion, I think posting it would clear up a few things.

 

[SallyNow]

I have answered this question many times over. But I guess once more won't hurt again.

Q. Do you feel the need to cleanse these individuals from the earth?

A. I am a citizen of the United States of America. I live in the state of California. I am a private citizen and hold no public office. I am not a politician. I do not have the authority to kill anybody who is not trying to personally kill me. So I have no authority to execute a homosexual for his sin. I am not trying to execute any homosexuals for their sin.

Can you understand this? This is really basic and simple.

I am saying this very simple fact. If a New nation, or an already existing nation wanted to make homosexuality a Capital Offense; then they would have the right to do so by GOD. Since HE has already placed a sentence of death upon this sin, that nation would be justified in claiming homosexuality a Capital Offense.

I do not feel the need to cleanse these people from the earth. Just like I do not feel the need to cleanse any other group of sinners from the earth. I just am saying that the government has the right to use Capital Punishment on murder, rape, kidnapping, homosexuality.

I am not a vigilante. I am not running around killing homosexuals. I know that you have some kind of fantasy about me, that I am doing this. However, I can assure you that I am not running around murdering homosexuals. That is not reality. If you believe that it is, then you are delusional and you need help.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

I am suprised that anyone could throw out the New Testement so easily!

For, if one follows the Old Testement and puts into the law books of country, there are a lot of people who would be up for capital punishment. Men, women, and children would be killed by the dozens. Women whose husbands suspected them of cheating on them could have them poisoned! (Numbers 5: 12-31)

Will rules from Leviticus be law, too? Regarding unclean and clean things?

Will women who have just given birth be isolated, because of their uncleanliness? (Leviticus 12:2-6)

Will everyone who commits an offence against Leviticus 18 be killed?

Just wondering...

And will people be able to eat shrimp?

 

[TheReasoner]

I have answered this question many times over. But I guess once more won't hurt again.

Q. Do you feel the need to cleanse these individuals from the earth?

A. I am a citizen of the United States of America. I live in the state of California. I am a private citizen and hold no public office. I am not a politician. I do not have the authority to kill anybody who is not trying to personally kill me. So I have no authority to execute a homosexual for his sin. I am not trying to execute any homosexuals for their sin.

But you want homosexuals to be killed because they are homosexuals, right?
I believe I asked you - early in the thread - what your thoughts about people who are homosexuals because they were molested as children. What you think of that. Should we kill them because of how they have coped with the traumas of their childhood?

I am saying this very simple fact. If a New nation, or an already existing nation wanted to make homosexuality a Capital Offense; then they would have the right to do so by GOD. Since HE has already placed a sentence of death upon this sin, that nation would be justified in claiming homosexuality a Capital Offense.

Shield, the sentence of death is upon EVERY sin.
And it was paid - for EVERY sin - by Christ.
That includes homosexuality, rape and murder. To mention the ones you're most fond of mentioning. But don't think I have forgotten communists and gang members.

I do not feel the need to cleanse these people from the earth. Just like I do not feel the need to cleanse any other group of sinners from the earth. I just am saying that the government has the right to use Capital Punishment on murder, rape, kidnapping, homosexuality.

And all the other things you have mentioned.

I am not a vigilante. I am not running around killing homosexuals. I know that you have some kind of fantasy about me, that I am doing this. However, I can assure you that I am not running around murdering homosexuals. That is not reality. If you believe that it is, then you are delusional and you need help.

No, he's not. He was asking you a question, and you in your arrogance twist it again. He was wondering if you want to kill them. Which is established that you do. And in addition to that, he wondered if you felt the need to exact God's punishment yourself. It is a valid question.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

Remember the third commandment, heretic.

 

[JohnElias]

I am suprised that anyone could throw out the New Testement so easily!

For, if one follows the Old Testement and puts into the law books of country, there are a lot of people who would be up for capital punishment. Men, women, and children would be killed by the dozens. Women whose husbands suspected them of cheating on them could have them poisoned! (Numbers 5: 12-31)

Will rules from Leviticus be law, too? Regarding unclean and clean things?

Will women who have just given birth be isolated, because of their uncleanliness? (Leviticus 12:2-6)

Will everyone who commits an offence against Leviticus 18 be killed?

Just wondering...

And will people be able to eat shrimp?

Yeah, what about Leviticus 18?

-JohnElias (God, thank you for shrimp, even if I must die for the sin of consuming such feasts)

 

[ShieldOFaith]

trust me, I'm more stable than you mr SWAT team guy. =) I think you've proven this to everyone more than enough.

Anyways, back to the debate....

And this is the core of the debate; lets put homosexuality aside. what about an old lady, a first or third time non-violent drug offendor, clean record, upstanding citizen, but her drugs are illegal, but its the only thing that help her pain from a debilitating disease for which there is no cure or known treatment for, only the illegal drugs.

Do you feel the Bible justifies her execution based upon her crimes?
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howabout another question....

Do you hate homosexuals?

Come on now MPOK, are you really trying to go with the "we need to legalize (M)are (J)ane because there is an old lady who is in pain" argument???

Once again, let's stay in reality.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Remember the third commandment, heretic.

Do you even know what this means?

Once again, research a word before you use it out of context. Thanks.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

 

[Paulos23]

Do you even know what this means?

I am sure to at least one (if not more) denomination of Christianity you are a heretic.

 

[Paulos23]

Come on now MPOK, are you really trying to go with the "we need to legalize (M)are (J)ane because there is an old lady who is in pain" argument???

Once again, let's stay in reality.

You didn't answer the first question, you just hand waved it away. You have a tendency to avoid answering the questions that would pin you down to what you are, which is that you don't want to face.

And you didn't answer the last question. I would like to know as well.

Do you hate homosexuals?

 

[Paulos23]

What did I say NW? I said the government has the right by GOD to exercise Capital Punishment. It does. I'm right.

Governments only have the rights given to them by the people, or the rights they have stolen from the people. God doesn't even enter the picture for what a government can and can't do other then as an excuse or justification. And it is a poor on at that.

 

[Paulos23]

Q. Do you feel the need to cleanse these individuals from the earth?

A. I am a citizen of the United States of America. I live in the state of California. I am a private citizen and hold no public office. I am not a politician. I do not have the authority to kill anybody who is not trying to personally kill me. So I have no authority to execute a homosexual for his sin. I am not trying to execute any homosexuals for their sin.

No, your just trying to invent a government to do your dirty work for you. Careful, such a creation can turn on it's creator.

 

[Maren]

Come on now MPOK, are you really trying to go with the "we need to legalize (M)are (J)ane because there is an old lady who is in pain" argument???

Once again, let's stay in reality.

You didn't answer the question. So, here are several people's stories of how they use medical marijuana to help cope with their diseases. Would you execute them for using drugs?

 

[mpok1519]

Come on now MPOK, are you really trying to go with the "we need to legalize (M)are (J)ane because there is an old lady who is in pain" argument???

Once again, let's stay in reality.

again, answer the question...

Do you feel the Bible justifies the execution of said woman?

And, do you hate homosexuals?

I'm not going with any argument, I'm just making observationss onyour behavior and thought process. You unwittingly could help me out with a paper I'm working on for psychology class....

So please, answer the questions.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Come on now MPOK, are you really trying to go with the "we need to legalize (M)are (J)ane because there is an old lady who is in pain" argument???

Once again, let's stay in reality.

The reality is that marijuana has legitimate medical benefits -- hanging people does not.

 

[Nathan Poe]

No, your just trying to invent a government to do your dirty work for you. Careful, such a creation can turn on it's creator.

It's happened before.

 

[Paulos23]

It's happened before.

I was thinking more along the lines of the French Revolution, but that works better.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

SoF --

For the sake of clarity, could you please cite the Scripture where God specifically and unambiguously says that homosexuals should be killed?

Not that it's bad, not that it's an abomination, and not just that we shouldn't do it, but the Scripture where God Himself explicitly says that we should kill them.

I'm not denying that it's in there -- I'm sure it is -- but for the purposes of this discussion, I think posting it would clear up a few things.

Please read and understand:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]6 If a person turns to mediums and necromancers, whoring after them, I will set my face against that person and will cut him off from among his people. 7 Consecrate yourselves, therefore, and be holy, for I am the Lord your God. 8 Keep my statutes and do them; I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 9 For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 10 If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 If a man lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 14 If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you. 15 If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. --Leviticus 20[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Capital Offenses. Plain and simple. Specific and [/FONT]unambiguous.



There you go.



SOLI DEO GLORIA.