Covid and conspiracy.

[A_Thinker]

Friends I am seeing deep division among Christians in my country. Some deeply believe the vaccination is a wicked plot.
Conspiracy theories abound and many are afraid.

I am reminded of Isaiah 8:

"the Lord spoke to me with mighty power and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,

12 “You are not to say, ‘It is a conspiracy!’
Regarding everything that this people call a conspiracy,
And you are not to fear what they fear or be in dread of it.
13 It is the Lord of armies whom you are to regard as holy.
And He shall be your fear..."

For sure - the claims flying around that the vaccination is an end-time evil plot come with a strong spirit of fear.

BUT... We are not to be afraid.

Fear God... all other fear is not from Him.

I am facing loosing friends as we vaccinate - as if we have lost the plot and become strongly deceived.

Many of those who have embraced the antivacc position are not in healthy fellowship...

Comments welcome.

I hold that Americans are a bit spoiled.

It's as if we have never taken vaccines before.

I could understand it if it were 100 years ago, ... but most Americans have already had about a dozen vaccinations ...

 

[Hammster]

I could not agree more. Some people give Satan far more credit than he deserves. It's a distraction from the real problems facing the church, let alone the world. I would like to develop a vaccine against hysteria and lack of common sense. I could make a fortune.

There is one. It’s the gospel.

 

[Bobber]

It is interesting that you should come out like this brother. There are brothers and sisters who don't want anything to do with me because i don't want the vaccine.

And what's their motivation for feeling that? You do know people even with that can have different reasons why? One they may love you as a brother but they're afraid they'll catch covid from you. Or 2, they're ticked off at you considering you're being selfish or 3) this can be a big reason too maybe not having anything to do with you but others.....some unvaxed and I mean some don't mind giving a condescend lecture like how could you have done what you did, and they go on and on and on trying to impart dread and terror into one who got vaccinated. Should the vaccinated one feel much joy being around somebody always doing that?

There are some very judgemental brothers and sisters about who think they can label and discredit what i say because i don't believe the lies this world is spreading about Covid and the vaccines.

Maybe they can and maybe they can't. Are you saying though they've walked out of love towards you by responding to what you say with a different opinion? And why should you call that being judgmental?

 

[Aussie Pete]

There is one. It’s the gospel.

It does not seem to do much for the Christian conspiracy theorists. I have been told that I'm going to the lake of fire because I've had a jab. No amount of truth, from the Bible or from logic and reason, seems to penetrate the wall of deception these people have built.

 

[SkyWriting]

Friends I am seeing deep division among Christians in my country. Some deeply believe the vaccination is a wicked plot.

So the cure is better than the Covid.

Doctors have a new term Covid-long. It is a collection of long term after effects they are seeing.

Long Covid: What is it and what are the symptoms?

COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects - Mayo Clinic

Older people and people with many serious medical conditions are the most likely to experience lingering COVID-19 symptoms, but even young, otherwise healthy people can feel unwell for weeks to months after infection. Common signs and symptoms that linger over time include:

Fatigue
Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing
Cough
Joint pain
Chest pain
Memory, concentration or sleep problems
Muscle pain or headache
Fast or pounding heartbeat
Loss of smell or taste
Depression or anxiety
Fever
Dizziness when you stand
Worsened symptoms after physical or mental activities

 

[Jeshu]

And what's their motivation for feeling that? You do know people even with that can have different reasons why? One they may love you as a brother but they're afraid they'll catch covid from you. Or 2, they're ticked off at you considering you're being selfish or 3) this can be a big reason too maybe not having anything to do with you but others.....some unvaxed and I mean some don't mind giving a condescend lecture like how could you have done what you did, and they go on and on and on trying to impart dread and terror into one who got vaccinated. Should the vaccinated one feel much joy being around somebody always doing that?



Maybe they can and maybe they can't. Are you saying though they've walked out of love towards you by responding to what you say with a different opinion? And why should you call that being judgmental?

No i just shared some of the facts i found and got jumped on big time.

About all those vaccinated people being so scared of unvaccinated people. Who is believing lies? For why in Heavens name should the vaccinated fear the unvaccinated? Doesn't the vaccine work or something? If you are sure the vaccine works, then let the unvaccinated be, what is it to the vaccinated what the unvaccinated believe? That is between them and their Creator.

About the unvaccinated spreading Covid is nonsense of course, vaccinated people spread Covid just the same, the vaccines do not protect people from getting Covid or from spreading it. Any one telling you different need to get their facts straight.

Peace.

 

[Hammster]

It does not seem to do much for the Christian conspiracy theorists. I have been told that I'm going to the lake of fire because I've had a jab. No amount of truth, from the Bible or from logic and reason, seems to penetrate the wall of deception these people have built.

I guess I should have said “the gospel properly applied”.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

I could not agree more. Some people give Satan far more credit than he deserves.

You mean…"the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience" (Ephesians 2:2)?

He's not some disconnected being, he has friends, on earth. He’s working through them, today.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

don't understand normally rational Christians believing conspiracies on FB

i.e. a Christian neighbor told me covid is the flu & that nos are being made up so she's not getting vaccine
she's at risk of getting covid as millennial daughter lives with her & kid's friends visit day/night with no one wearing masks

all her beliefs about covid came from FB....we spoke outside one day & she refutes everything I say

a Christian relative believes the vaccine has a chip that will take away one's belief in God

So you found two extremes. Surely you must know a couple that are reasonable yet cautious and concerned?

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

Good point. Not a hope.

"I thank you, oh God, that I am not like other men…"

 

[Bobber]

Weird how we should let us be divided about such an issue? Who would have master planned that but our mutual enemy?

Especially in light of the fact that Jesus gave us a COMMAND....not a suggestion....not just a good idea.....but a COMMAND to LOVE one another! Jn 5:25 That sounds like words to a soldier and for our sake we better believe that it is and that we OBEY the COMMAND. 2 Tim 2:3

Why did he make it a COMMAND? Two reasons. For the serious ramifications that can develop YES even in a person's personal life if they leave the LOVE realm. One better believe it can open the door to the enemy for not so good things. And he made it a COMMAND for he knew it would be tough to do somethings at times and he wants us to do it whether we feel like it or not. If he merely said, "Hey this is a good thing to do" many probably wouldn't do it.

The devil is behind saints allowing themselves to yield to division and division DOESN'T MEAN two people can't have opposite opinions. Spiritual division is where one or the two of them cause themselves to walk out of love towards each other. Our stance should be I may disagree with you brother or sister but I can disagree without being disagreeable. That is the issue. What is the one doing with their opinion? Are they adding with it strife and a condescending spirit? If they are they need to cut that off. I'm hearing this I believe from the Spirit. One doesn't just have to be right.....they have to be right, the RIGHT WAY!

If one is RIGHT....the WRONG way....they're a zealot and know not from what spirit they're of. Lk 9:55

 

[mama2one]

For why in Heavens name should the vaccinated fear the unvaccinated? .

I got J & J which is 66% protective so yes unvaccinated people stay away from me
40% of people with covid don't know they have it & are walking time bombs spreading it to children under 12 many who are now in hospitals & could die

if I were unvaccinated, I would stay home & not risk the health of children

Christians, of all people should be willing to get vaccinated and protect the lives of children

why they are SO afraid of a vaccine is beyond me when they already had umpteen of them before going to school

suck it up & get vaccinated...do not be afraid!
even one child's death from covid is one too many

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

and they go on and on and on trying to impart dread and terror into one who got vaccinated.

Most close to me have been vaccinated and so far have not had any adverse reactions. When I read about the clotting issues building up with each shot, I switched into Charismatic Mode and went Psalm 91 on it. I didn’t rub it in and say "You’re all gonna die!!!" (especially not knowing the full truth of it yet).

No matter how ideological we may be online or in debate, people we know and love are more important than "issues".

 

[Bobber]

It does not seem to do much for the Christian conspiracy theorists. I have been told that I'm going to the lake of fire because I've had a jab. No amount of truth, from the Bible or from logic and reason, seems to penetrate the wall of deception these people have built.

Very, very, few people are like that as Christians. Most acknowledge it's not a salvation issue.

 

[Bobber]

No i just shared some of the facts i found and got jumped on big time.

Well let's go with the position that what you're thinking about it is correct. I think with other subjects I'm very careful with whom I even share things with that is if I know them. Having discernment one can get a sense if one is even open to hear a different opinion. Sometimes it's best to just keep one's opinions to themselves....sometimes not but sometimes yes.

About all those vaccinated people being so scared of unvaccinated people. Who is believing lies? For why in Heavens name should the vaccinated fear the unvaccinated? Doesn't the vaccine work or something?

But I think you're missing what their argument is. They'd say that the unvaccinated are being responsible for creating the spin off viruses of covid. I'm not saying they're right but that's what they're believing.

 

[Jeshu]

But I think you're missing what their argument is. They'd say that the unvaccinated are being responsible for creating the spin off viruses of covid. I'm not saying they're right but that's what they're believing.

Without any evidence the media has been scaremongering this world into believing that the unvaccinated must be treated badly, and what happens? Tons of people happily comply!


In reality the virus mutates just as much in its effort to escape the vaccine working witihn so many people. So a new vaccines must be made continually, as we know from Israel to be true. Can you see how convenient for the vaccine makers and how strange that after thousands of years of humanity fighting flu's now everyone needs to be vaccinated before we can beat the virus? It reeks of a lot of crap to me.


i know flu's have been mutating for thousands of years, that is completely normal, every doctors knows that, and has absolutely nothing to do with unvaccinated people making things worse.

And so we have it, vaccinated brothers and sister frightened of the unvaccinated - satan did such a good job separating us from one another. You have to give him credit for doing that.

Peace.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Friends I am seeing deep division among Christians in my country. Some deeply believe the vaccination is a wicked plot.
Conspiracy theories abound and many are afraid.

I am reminded of Isaiah 8:

"the Lord spoke to me with mighty power and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,

12 “You are not to say, ‘It is a conspiracy!’
Regarding everything that this people call a conspiracy,
And you are not to fear what they fear or be in dread of it.
13 It is the Lord of armies whom you are to regard as holy.
And He shall be your fear..."

For sure - the claims flying around that the vaccination is an end-time evil plot come with a strong spirit of fear.

BUT... We are not to be afraid.

Fear God... all other fear is not from Him.

I am facing loosing friends as we vaccinate - as if we have lost the plot and become strongly deceived.

Many of those who have embraced the antivacc position are not in healthy fellowship...

Comments welcome.

How far out of context does this have to be taken to turn it into some positive assessment of a vaccine? Pretty far I'd say...

First, these passages were concerning a specific judgement of God's people for sin, then, it's an admonition for God's people not to walk in the ways of the nations (not to follow in their sin) but to fear God alone, not the things people say or do, for God is with them even in judgement to save.

I believe this, I'm not afraid of COVID, I'm not freaking out at every fearmonger telling me I'll die without a vaccine, because my life and my death is in HIS hand - and that's MY CHOICE to leave it there instead of begging everyone other than God to save me.

If you make a different choice that's your business. That people decide what others do or do not do is somehow their business is part of "walking in the ways of men" that as Christians no one should do.

 

[mama2one]

I believe this, I'm not afraid of COVID, I'm not freaking out at every fearmonger telling me I'll die without a vaccine, because my life and my death is in HIS hand - and that's MY CHOICE to leave it there.do.

like the story of person who drowned & asked why didn't you save me, God? I sent people, a boat, & helicopter, what more could I do? God replies.

so if you end up on a ventilator & die....God will say, I sent not one, not two, but three vaccines
why were you so stubborn?

 

[Sparagmos]

The following is sort of fringey, but here it goes; For all the good they can do with this mRNA technology, evil can also be accomplished. In the future, enhancements can be implemented to increase its usefulness, but how about a government that is violently opposed to a segment of society and wants to quietly eliminate that sector? Name the deadly option something like solution 731,( named after the Japanese biological battalion that performed experiments in China during WW2), and quietly direct all boot licking medical types to use this version if the individual checks all the boxes for being undesirable.

If ‘the government" wanted to eliminate a bunch of people there are a plethora of other ways they can do it. You might as well stop drinking the water in your area, buying any kind of medicine, and using a cell phone.

In the U.S. we live in a representative democracy. That means that no entity has total power of who is in the government because we have elections. We have many types of elected officials and representatives and it’s pretty obvious they don’t all agree, in fact some openly hate each other. Then we have separation of powers which means no one body has full control. So there is no actual entity "the government," which can act with singular purpose.

A lot of people right now are suffering stress-induced paranoia, mental illness. I know a handful of people who had no mental health issues prior to the pandemic who have been experiencing paranoia and thankfully went to the doctor and are getting treatment. If you are having irrational fears or intrusive thoughts about the government wanting to kill off a bunch of people, please see a professional.

 

[Jesus is my Superhero]

I'm not having such thoughts. I'm presenting a feasible scenario that trusting acolytes of secular governments can fall prey to. The Cambodian people weren't expecting what happened and either were the Germans.